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    C.O.W. - #041: Asymmetrical Creature


    Round #041

    Topic:
    Asymmetrical Creature

    Deadline:
    Sunday, 09th April 2006





    - for any questions or help go here:
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=37512

    note: The deadline won't be EXACTLY after a week...it can last up to 24 hours more, i am human and have to work also, you know

    Post your creature for this week!
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    thanx to Consuela for the topic suggestion!



    ADDITIONAL NOTES:
    - No individual Character! Design a species!
    - Asymmetry must be obvious part of design

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    Hm, something like one of Batman or Superman or Spiderman (I don't remember...) enemy. Half something, half something. Or we can draw a pile of some ooze'e thing. Good Open Topic. Time to Work
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    no, not half something half something, just a creature which is not symmetrical...

    Snarfevs posted this as an example in the ideas thread:
    C.O.W. - #041: Asymmetrical Creature

    and this is exactly what i think of...nothing nonsense like, more something which is a brilliant concept and would work in reality...just as the fiddler crab above

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    Um well technically the Fiddler Crab isnt asymmetrical. It has bilateral symmetry, the crab is still symmetrical on both sides, the claw is just for purposes of attracting mates and fending off other males and other than that inconsistency its still a mirror image on both halves. The only animal that I can think of that has real asymmetry is the sea sponge as it possesses no axis of symmetry. Asymmetry means lack of any symmetry, so I think this CoW is going to be riddled with blobs, oozes, and other things lacking any form. Not sure if maybe the title should be reworked but I figured Id throw this out there before anyone got started and realized that they made a mistake.

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    aw man, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Time to work on an actual entry!

    Also, Nexus, what about flounder? They don't really seem to posess any sort of symmetry.
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    actually depending on how precise you want to be.. although we exhibit some level of Bilateral symetry . we are none of us precisely symetrical. My left hand is bigger than my right , my right eyebrow is higher etc.. although only by very small degrees.
    Adult flounders are pretty assymetrical but Larval flounders are the same as any other fish. and are we asking for non-symmetry bilaterally or on all axes? what about star fish? just tryingto clarify the parameters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexus
    Um well technically the Fiddler Crab isnt asymmetrical. It has bilateral symmetry, the crab is still symmetrical on both sides, the claw is just for purposes of attracting mates and fending off other males and other than that inconsistency its still a mirror image on both halves. The only animal that I can think of that has real asymmetry is the sea sponge as it possesses no axis of symmetry. Asymmetry means lack of any symmetry, so I think this CoW is going to be riddled with blobs, oozes, and other things lacking any form. Not sure if maybe the title should be reworked but I figured Id throw this out there before anyone got started and realized that they made a mistake.
    Technically, it is. Semantically the claw may be just an inconsistency, but it breaks the bilateral symmetry otherwise present. That this applies to every male fiddler crab flags this as asymmetry on a fundamental genetic level (although admittedly baby fiddlers start off symmetric and one claw grows huge) rather than simply being a unique trait acquired in one's lifetime like having 3 bumps on one side of your face and 2 on the other. The fiddler crab is actually properly asymmetric as it only has a 360 degree rotational symmetry.

    However, I'm not entirely sure this is the best topic to do, at least without refinement. I am imagining that there are going to be situations where people are going to draw something without bilateral symmetry but with a 3 or 5-fold rotational axis, improper rotational axis or helical symmetry.

    It is possible to draw a heap of structured creatures with no formal symmetry but I can certainly see things going awry when either the artist or someone else notices a mode of symmetry not previously caught in their beautifully rendered creature.

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    Fair enough Snarfevs, the male fiddler crab is a rather strange anomaly amongst its pefectly bilateral cousins but its so near bilateraly symmetry that I would say its closer to being symmetrical in that respect than to say it lacks any symmetry whatsoever. In regard to the question of asymmetry I looked up the word and the defintion for it verbatum was "no symmetry". Pretty self explanatory. So no corresponding sides of any kind. If you make the thing have four legs then its limbs better not be positioned across from each other in any way shape or form. If you make a round creature then it has to be composed of entirely different parts loosely arranged in a circular fashion. This thing is going to take some consideration and its hard to think outside the realm of symmetry considering its everywhere. Also this creaure has to be truly asymmetrical to an extent that its noticeable not just his fingers are a hair shorter on one side or its leg is a bit longer than the other. That kind of asymmetry isnt whats meant. A person doesnt have the exact same length arms in most cases but they are still bilaterally symmetrical. Still waiting on Fozzy's clarification on this but I think thats whats meant.

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    Relax Nexus, Fozzy has already shown us what he meant with the fiddler crab example. Just make a creature with a noticable lack of perfect symmetry. That's really all you need to consider, there's no need to argue over semantics and definitions.

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    Probably right there Plate but I just wasnt sure what level of asymmetry Fozz is talking about here. I mean if a fiddler crab's level of asymmetry is all thats necessary then I could just make a critter with one really big front arm. Or would that not be asymmetrical enough? Thats all I was trying to figure out. Ill leave it alone and just go with my gut on this one I suppose. I havent had time to do the last 3 or so but Im really gonna try to make some time for this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexus
    no symmetry
    The fiddler crab may be piecewise symmetrical, as is everything if you are sufficiently specific, but in terms of intrinsic symmetry the fiddler crab as a whole has none. Albeit this is only within the symmetry modes I have checked:

    - n-fold proper rotational axes: none
    - mirror planes: none
    - centers of inversion: none
    - improper rotation axes: none
    - helical axes, glide axes, translation axes and antisymmetric axes are impossible

    As far as point groups are concerned, one _whole_ fiddler crab has absolutely no structural symmetry whatsoever - check - the only point group the fiddler crab satisfies, even if you break it down to dots representing body parts, is the 360 degree identity rotation E. However I don't think fozzybar intends for this to come down to mathematical definitions of symmetry, rather he's probably looking for creatures that are sufficiently symmetrical, but I fear this is going to cause trouble down the track unless it's his executive decision as to what cuts it in terms of asymmetry.

    yeah i'm an asshole but the reason why i posted the pic in the first place was because it satisfied mathematical asymmetry
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    jesus christ ppl... just draw!

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