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    Question Help! She's Disappearing! (Oil Painting Question)

    I've been sketching and toning over my pencils with no problem.

    But today, I got out a new canvas, did a sketch, started toning, and the pencil is bleeding EVERYWHERE! My girl is disappearing

    Any suggestions? I don't want to tone her face yet. i've already lost the hands as is.

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    i assume its oils?

    let it dry,
    spray it with workable fixative.
    then go back into it.

    YES, workable fixative IS acrylic,
    and NO, you shouldn't put it on top of oils.
    but if the toning is really dry, it wont cause much trouble.

    ive done it to a LOT of my oil lay-ins.
    i dont recommend making a habit of it...
    but, at this stage, it'll be fine.

    in the future, always fix your drawing.
    that way, if anything goes wrong, you can wipe back down to it.
    (saved my butt on more than one occassion)
    honestly, im suprised this hasnt happened to you earlier.
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    i think the bleeding is a good way to force you to deal with edge situations and shape instead of fill in the lines. but thats just me.


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    DS is right. I've gessoed over whole oil paintings in acrylic before. I did it knowing that it could wreck stuff, and willing to take the risk. It hasn't actually caused me any problem (yet). I know it's bad *smacks self* Don't anybody else do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Manley
    i think the bleeding is a good way to force you to deal with edge situations and shape instead of fill in the lines. but thats just me.


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    I agree. Take your lemons and make lemonade my man.
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    Thanks, guys!

    I'm an idiot.

    Problem solved.

    /dork

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    Might I also add, that having:

    a) Drawn it once already

    and

    b) Taken a photograph of it

    why is losing your drawing here so bad?

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    Losing the sketch while toning means I won't have anything to work off of, k4pka. This isn't Photoshop.

    But it's all taken care of anyway. Just went ahead and started in with the paint sketch.

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    nice save.
    her left hand looks great.
    i know this isnt the crit section,
    but watch the lower hand on our left.
    it doesnt appear closer, it appears HUGE.
    we shouldnt see the bottom of it.
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    Yup, I suppose at this point, maybe an admin could move this whole thread to the crit section.

    Then I could get help for all of the other problems I'm about to encounter!

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    I work in a postive then negitive way of painting. After a while I actually try to destroy the work. I am interested in textures and accidents and am attracted to work that looks like it was work, an unraveling of some great mystery. Don't be too precious, breathe deep, and go for it. Understanding your negitive space with inform your positive space. Do work that is just exploration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicgoo
    Losing the sketch while toning means I won't have anything to work off of, k4pka. This isn't Photoshop.

    But it's all taken care of anyway. Just went ahead and started in with the paint sketch.
    Forgive me, but never having used photoshop myself, preferring the traditional mediums, I still wonder why losing your lines is a problem?

    You drew them once, right?

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    Always work digitally so you don't have to mess around with nasty paints!

    Sorry, nothing helpful to add.

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    I normally draw it out and then put acrylic matte medium on the surface. It can give a nice textured surface to work with and preserves the lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k4pka
    Forgive me, but never having used photoshop myself, preferring the traditional mediums, I still wonder why losing your lines is a problem?

    You drew them once, right?
    I don't have a projector, so that was my only sketch of her. When it started bleeding, I didn't want to re-sketch it, so that was my concern. That's all, no big deal.

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    you should try sketching with markers (thin ones).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GriNGoLoCo
    you should try sketching with markers (thin ones).
    please dont.
    but, if you DO, NEVER use "sharpie".
    it will bleed right through the paint in a few years.

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    I have found even some ball points to bleed through acrylics. But the tip about workable fixative on top of graphite is great.

    BTW, this is coming out great Magicgoo.

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    If you always tone the background in oils, you can - instead of drawing with pencil - take a q-tip, or cloth and put turp on it. Then draw with that. It'll make white lines appear instead of smudgy pencil lines.
    Or use a waxier colour pencil next time. Tho, can't be too sure how they'd work with the oils... Memo to self: new experiment on colour pencils and oils..
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    It's a bit late now but you could try it out next time: I heard that if you use a soft pastel pencil to do the initial sketch, it stays put even when painting. I'll be using acrylic, mind - dunno if this applies for oils.

    I used a marker for a gouache painting on canvas. Baaaaad bad idea...
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