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March 7th, 2006 #1
Practicing sketching ships from photos... (since I have no access to a real life ship)
Critiques welcome on anything I'll post in my sketchbook. Red Liners/ Draw-overs appreciated. Thoughts welcome.
Still very shy about posting anything that isn't my cartoon/manga art but I've decided to suck it up.
I'm a bit more then out of practice.. but been trying to catch up this last year in my spare time.
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I think this is nice. Maybe that thing on the mast, the watching post (i dunno nautical terms) should suggest more the spacial view. I mean it looks flat, like a plane. It does not have a 3D look that's what i mean. Also some of the masts look too thick. Anyways, for a first post this is really nice. Post more of this, don't get discouraged.
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March 7th, 2006 #3
I think you mean the Crow's Nest.
Thank you very much. I see what you mean after looking again. Appreciate it.
Will work on that in future attempts.
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March 7th, 2006 #4
Manga Academy Homework - Line Art Application
March 7th, 2006 #5
That lineart stuff looks real nice! The marker catches my eye. Did you draw these from life?
March 7th, 2006 #6
No. The Manga Acacemy assignment was to draw line art of objects from a familiar manga (I had an old issue of Ranma 1/2 in my closet I fished out for this one) as an excercise to better pay attention to line work and how depth is created in a simple but effective manner in manga and in cartoons/graphic art in general. It did what the assignment outline said it would do.. I started noticing all these things I didn't before when looking at various items more closely in the book and deciding which ones to try out that I could see close enough to focus on imitating the line quality.
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March 8th, 2006 #9
Before bed time loosening up.. quick sketching...
I've been doing this every night before going to sleep to unwind. I pick a sound track or classical piece.. something with no words so it's not distracting.. and then just real quick try to draw a few things I think of while listening to 2 or 3 songs from the C.D. Tonight I picked Lemony Snicket's "Series of Unfortunate Events" soundtrack and immeaditley thought of the "the eye" that is associated with Count Olaf and his acting troupe. Lot's More stuff tomorrow. Was gonna post it tonight but I can't figuire out how to work the digital camera and the stuff I worked on today is on paper to large for my 8 1/2 by 11 scanner.
Simon -n- Lotekk: Thanks Guys. I appreciate the feedback. As for the life studies request, duely noted. I am planning on doing some sketches of my nieces soon as my next attempt at observance of actual people/figuire drawing.. there 3 and I've been advised to start with children so it's not overwhelming, because drawing people in realism for me.. is not.. exactly.. my strong.. point... *ehhemIreallysuckatitcough* but currently my focus is on learning to draw boats, ships, and classic cars because of the appearances they'll be making in my next graphic novel.. so I have to really focus on learning how to draw them decently by the end of the month.. I'm not very familiar with boats or cars so expect to see ALOT or practice with those in here in the next couple of weeks. Sorry if that sounds really boring.. but please keep coming back and visiting and letting me know what you think! THANKS! ^^;;;;;;;;;;;;
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March 8th, 2006 #10Registered User
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Hi Miss Celeste, cool sketches in here. Really nice manga drawings. Especially the last one. Hope to see more of your sketches. Welcome to CA!
March 8th, 2006 #11
More Ship Study
Note: This was drawn from looking at a photograph of the HMS Rose because it is replica of a war/battle ship and I am trying to experiment to make an original ship for the villain of my comic. (Thought a war ship would be fitting for him) I altered the photo reference back to old skool (1700's-1800's) style ship fixings (they dont make them entirely out of wood anymore even when there replicas of antiques for preservation purposes) and tried to alter the figuire head as well because I didn't just want that lion icon the Rose had.. I wanted the Lion to look demonic and devouring a mermaid to symbolize the owner of the ship. Not happy with how it came out. I can't seem to figuire out how to make the lion still look traditional but evil. It just looks.. stupid.. to me. Could deff. use some suggestions/critiques on how to make it better. Also I seem to mess up more on my line quality the closer up I draw ships. What does this mean? Is this a good indicator of some of my weaknesses?
"Anime Punch" Convention Mascot conceptuals
Initial rough sketch
Not sure what I want for Ann's hair...
Desc. from convention staff reads....
Both girls are karate white-belts with a traditional karate uniform. Below are the guidelines that must be met. Otherwise, the style is up to you!
17–19 years old, straight blue/black hair. She is more serious and quiet, but by no means short tempered or angry. She uses either a long Japanese sword, or dual pistols.
11–13 years old. More energetic and outgoing, but not hyper or idiotic. Penny has brown pigtails, freckles, and a smile. She tends to tie the top for her uniform around her waist. Her weapons of choice are handfuls of knives or bombs that she flings in the general direction of whoever she is fighting.
After speaking to convention chair about concepts and any changes wanted/needed before creating the convention booklet cover, he said...
Remember, our con is gritty and edgy, and our mascots should reflect that! They've grown up in the harshest of conditions!
Thoughts on how to make them... grittier and edgier.. ? hmmm...
Houkocon Convention Mascots (rough sketch based off of file below, from con chair.)
(This one is REALLY rough sketch, making up the costume as I went along becasue the only reference image I have *above* doesn't do much but indicate there hair and eye color and basically what color scheme there going for. Several more concepts of this on the way.)
Persacon "Weekend in Gion" First Concept (based off the below reference image from con chair)
More to come. Still haven't gotten hold of that digital camera for larger works.
Feedback/thoughts/critiques/suggestions (as always) greatly appreciated.
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March 8th, 2006 #12
The problem with the mascots as they are now is that they do not really say 'gritty and edgy', more 'cute and shiny'. How to fix? Well to start with, try different expressions, anger, rage etc. Narrow the eyes lots, like this maybe.
If they've grown up in the 'harshest possible conditions', then they should show it. Rough up their clothes, have rougher hair, scars, eyepatches etc. Really push the designs more, take them beyond the cutesy shoujo look. SHow their weapons too, place them in dynamic action poses etc.
March 8th, 2006 #13
Another thing that comes to mind is that the two girls' faces look exactly the same. They have the same eyes, same shape, same expressions. Body wise, there is nothing that displays the age difference. If Penny is pre-pubescent, then she needs less of a figure, smaller breasts (if any). Her youth may be emphasised by a having a proportionately larger head.
March 8th, 2006 #14
Well I'm not allowed to change the basic apperance requirements they gave me, which is that neitehr of them have scars or eyepatches or anything like that. I can prob. use the rest. Thanks for the thoughts Simon and the quick sketch. Deff. gonna keep your words in mind.
Off to sketch it out. Hopefully it'll get done tonight.
(stuck babysitting my nieces today so it's hard to stay focused )
Thank you for your help!
EDIT: Oh, and there sisters. They requested I make them look similar, but with the feature requirements.
Do you think it is TOO similar... even for sisters?
The "get rid of any semblence of a chest on Penny" was an after thought for me too, so deff. gonna do that.
(Notice as the conceptuals progressed I shrank it a bit more each time until I realized she prob. just shouldn't have em period)
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March 8th, 2006 #15
March 8th, 2006 #16
Copy/Pasted From Notes on the "Requirements"
Both girls are karate white-belts with a traditional karate uniform.
Well it says in the description white belts in Karate. I believe... I'm not sure though.. that Karate uniforms are always white, and in Taekwando (sp?) The sensei can have a black uniform... I know it's something like that.. when your a white belt in training like the desc. says for these two, I'm pretty sure, (but not entirely) that the outfits need to be white. I'm going to do some research into that... if it is possible to change the uniform colors I am thinking red or black..I like that idea... I can see how it would look better design wise too... I just don't know if that's an option or not. I'll look up the info, if it's not some sort of taboo or mis-label that would offend/piss-off actual martial artists, then I'll email the con chair and ask if he'd like that and if he says yes then I am deff. gonna go with that suggestion.
Great suggestions/thoughts Simon. Thanks a bunch.
PS- Do you still think they look too alike/similar facially even as sisters..? I can make the changes if you think yes. I value your opinion alot on this, because you OBVIOUSLY have a good eye for detail and know what your talking about.
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March 9th, 2006 #17
hey now, heres a reply to an old post about your ship study(the 1st one) did it two days back but got locked outta zbrush so well here it is!
yep so its lookign weird because you've got two portions of the drawing suggesting different perspectives.
hope it helps!
March 9th, 2006 #18
I like the Lemony Snicket sketches. Nice lines and shading. Looove the HMS Rose-based pic. Very nice values so far. For the lion, maybe it's just me, but I think it would look badass if you had the mermaid's torso coming out of the lion's mouth, her expression one of intense horror and pain. I think I need help.
March 9th, 2006 #19
March 9th, 2006 #20
Update: O.K. I got the digi-cam working. It's a really crappy quality one though.. he he.. Gonna get a new one soon now that I've been working on larger paper more often.. or I'll invest in a bigger scanner bed.. (Do they exist?) one of the two... Also, thegreypencil I checked the reference photo I used for the study and noticed it's the crows nest (out of the two options for where I botched it perspective wise) I did wrong. Thanks for pointing that out and using the "draw over". I have a HUGE issue studying perspective and understanding it. I'm a much more visual learner (the books I've picked up confused me... so I'm taking some suggestions from other members to stick with doing the basics until I feel comfortable) so anyway, I really love when someone takes the time out to red line, redraw on top, or point arrows at exactly where they see the problems while giving tips. I deff. learn fastest that way. Please feel welcome to do it anytime with any of the stuff I post! Thank you! Lotekk - Nah. Your just creative.
"The Captain" (Cosplay Costume Reference Sheets)
(I tried using the same measuring scale for fashion make up pallete/face design but with anime proportions.)
(errr... It didn't work so well in my opinion. Pretty much a failed experiment but good reference to the differences)
(Final costume design and construction. Note for future: Pull in fabric around chest/adjust )
Recreating Carmen Sandiego (Cosplay Costume Design Ideas)
About a year ago I came up with this idea after a participant of my lecture at Persacon had a discussion with me saying it must be easier to construct original idea cosplays, because if you make a mistake no one will know it..as there not yet a popular icon so people will be less likely to notice flaws in construction. Instead of argueing with her I just said.. "Well, Alright then. I'll create an iconic/fandom cosplay for next years lecture using the same methods I do for my original designs." So I choose Carmen Sandiego because I love her.
More recent ideas.. changes.. prop construction notes...
(Final Costume Construction pending - Deadline: June 1st )
"Litvin's Lab" Storyboards
Anyone who feels like ripping these apart... be my guest... A red liner or draw over on any of these would be SUPER. They need ALOT of work... and I feel I'm "to close to them" to spot all the errors. I'm also not very used to working on bigger paper, (have been forcing myself to use industry standard sized paper to get used to it) and I'm too focused on my pirate comic stuff right now (with the deadline steadily approaching like the cold breath of Death) *ehm* to really take time out to sit down and pick apart all of these, so if anyone else is bored or wants to help or looooovvveeesss critiquing this is the sketchbook to hang out in. You can say ANYTHING you want here and I'll say "Thank you master. Hit me again." he he he...
BRING... ON... THE.. PAIN... !!
Next up: More ship study, and the "Gritter" attempt at the "Anime Punch" mascots.
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March 10th, 2006 #21
Hi! Your anime-style is actually very cute I like the motion you captured in those storyboards.
March 10th, 2006 #22
Yup, nice progress here. It would be nice to see how that ship in the first post would look like if u would take into acount thegreypencil's suggestions. He said what i meant to say but i couldn't due to my limitations of the english language...
Keep it up!!
Check put my schetchbook if you please
March 11th, 2006 #23
O.K. I will try it again then today for tonights update with the other ship studies. I'll also try to scan in a pic of the reference photo (the book is kinda cumbersome.. it might be hard to get the scanner bed to close) so you can sort of see what I see now that he saw as wrong that is... right.... RIGHT. I can see it now with my eyes, but I'm working on the line quality so it looks like it's curving outward instead of being flat/horizontal which it isn't in the original picture. *nod*
EDIT: UGH. Nevermind on the "get it up tonight" stuff.. Apparantly I have to switch the priorities for my projects AGAIN to get the project done that is private. (for now) I'm gonna try to hurry up and get that done so I can get back to the ship practice and mascot final drafts, which I'm much more anxious to do. I shall.. return...
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did you make that costume? after your own sketch? if you did then its realy nice
if i have C&C your work it should be most polite to C&C my work that would make me very happy
March 12th, 2006 #25
solid costume work goin there, cant crit much on the anime bits cuz its not something im inta.
keep the works coming!
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Arrrr, that tis be a kick ass ship matty.
March 14th, 2006 #27
Tonight's Quick Sketch practice is dedicated to The Sandman3030 (Done in exactly one minute. Timed.)
More Ship Practice..
Tougher/Edgier Looks on the Anime Punch Mascot girls faces (hopefully)
(Gonna ink this tonight.. just scanned in the pencil sketch to get some opinions)
Next up, Started a concept of a Promotional for "Oh, Captain!" for Houkocon's Pirates vs. Ninjas theme but messed up on Simon's hand. grr. I liked how Captain Blue was going so far though (except how I made the trim uneven) so I thought I'd post here in case anyone had any feed back/suggestions for when I take a second shot at this.
Tried fixing up the original ship picture with TheGreyPencil's tips but I messed up so many times trying to erase and correct it that the area of the paper I need to correct over is all grey and smudgy now.. grr.. hate when that happens.. you only get so many tries before it's do over time! Gonna prob. just try to do that picture all over again paying a bit more attention.. try try again!
Looky: Yes, I designed it, and worked together with Lyn Slawsky on the actual costume construction.
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March 15th, 2006 #28
Finished colouring the new attempt at the "edgier" Anime Punch mascots (I REALLY HATE MY SCANNER)
(Sent it into the con chair today... we'll see what he says)
5 Items for a "Lady of the Arts" (Geisha)
Critiques/Observations of common mistakes made consistently always welcome.
March 15th, 2006 #29
hey there, some crits.
hope it helps! keep at it!
March 16th, 2006 #30
Great stuff Grey Pencil. Excellent observations.
I actually did think on that pose with the hand there a bit but I just couldn't imagine it properly. I tried to put myself in my bathroom mirror and do it but It doesn't have enough space for me to see/practice the pose properly and I like did the punch in slow motion several times.. and I just scratched my head.. cause I was having trouble imagining perspective again.. I wanted to make the arm *pop* out like it was showing in the perspective book for this sword demonstration.. but with her arm instead.. like she's like "ANIME PUNCH" like the convention name, to match but with the sword they told me to give her. I was trying to make myself practice using perspective to your advantage for things besides landscapes to make your images pop off the page more.. I can see from your mark over now that I didn't imagine it correctly because my eye immeaditly goes to her right shoulder shrinking back and now I'm thinking "I drew from two different angles again didn't I?" Like if her left arm is in the foreground there and her rigth shoulder is supposed to be back so I'm creating that "illusion" of depth/perspective that other fist shouldn't even be there should it? I think... I have this real big problem with imagining perspective correctly. Just gonna have to keep pushing myself to use it until I get it though I think.
Mmm.. The fingers thing is so small too.. but I can already see from your marks how it would make a big difference.
Right on man. Awesome crits.
Alright... off to correct that one and re-do the ship one you helped me out with!
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