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    Tarot card WIP (female nudity) crit? <3

    Hello! This will be my first post here. (of my own art, that is) Before stumbling across this place yesterday, I was really wondering where I could get some good crit on this piece. (since it's gone... rather a lot more wrong than usual. *__*;;; ) I'm really having trouble with the girl's arms, (she is gently closing the lion's mouth) and this is sort of the first time I'm drawing a lion, sooo.. yeah. (I think I should have practiced first. XD; I'm too impatient.;;; )

    It's for a tarot card project set up by another manga artist for manga artists, so I'd like to keep the girl's slightly exaggerated proportions, but if you think there's anything that looks awkward about them, please mention it. :3



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    I like it on the whole, I know you said it's a Manga project, but that cutesy-poo look bugs me sometimes. Once I'm over that, I think her hair style should look more natural, I have a problem with nudes that have "styled" hair, I feel it clashes with the whole, but that's just me.

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    When her face is at that angle, her neck shouldn't be at the very center. You may need to reposition her head a little, or at least obscure the lines at the neck to head region so it doesn't stand out. Maybe you can just block that bit by adding hair.

    I'm not sure about her left arm. It seems to look correct, but I'm really can't say if it's actually correct. I'm not strong on anatomy, someone else may shed light on this.

    Apart from that neck thing, I think everything looks good at the first glance, proprotions look great in general too.

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    Thank you both, I see what you mean about the neck, Jeri, I'll fix that. ^__^
    And Oats, I see your point as well, I'll work on the hair and try to make it look more natural. (She is actually a character of mine who usually has long ears that break up the round shape of her hair, you see, but I had to draw her as a human for this project.)

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    Gesture and pose are pretty good, but there are a lot of little proportion/anatomy problems, even within the bounds of manga style.
    Her arms are short.
    Her lower legs are short and massive.
    You need to work on your joints...elbows, knees, and especially wrists and ankles, all aren't articulating properly.
    And her crotch... well, let's just say that compositionally you've drawn a lot of attention to it, and it has serious anatomical issues. Finding reference should be pretty easy, though...


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    What he said.

    On the arm where you did foreshortening, it doesn't really look like it... Maybe try a different pose? Try wrapping it around the lion's ear, in more of a caressing, caring, feminine way than in a STFULION way. Also,



    she needs to lay off the pork chips. They go straight to her thighs =P
    Try making the feet more slender, like in fashion drawings. Good start.
    As for the Lion- It doesn't seem to be struggling all too much... I think he just wants her =D ANYWAYS; Yeah. Unless he is supposed to look subdued, I'd give him a slightly more angry disposition... or, I guess in this case, it would be just plain position. Think of what you would do if some Monkey came and took one of your babies. Now draw that in Lion form!

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    Well, thanks you guys, I guess I should probably get in front of a mirror for this, I've really been having trouble lately with joints and such, as you said, Elwell. ^-^;; And as for the pose, Pixel: she is indeed supposed to be calmly subduing the lion and shutting its jaws. It's in the description of the tarot card... I'll try to make it look less awkward, I suppose.

    (and I like chubby legs~~ Not to sound all "it's my style, so don't attack it!" ... I know it's not super correct, but I enjoy how it looks.)

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    Nothin' wrong with chubby legs, but those legs aren't chubby. If anything they're too angular. It's the basic proportions, and the way they attach to the pelvis, that are off.


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    I think the thighs are fine, what you have to fix I reckon are the knees and the ankles - a tad too thick at the moment as Elwell pointed out.

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    Okay, I'll fiddle with them. :3 Thank you~

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    I like the legs too (they are only too short)

    maybe you can add some tatoos ^^ (don&#180;t mind I&#180;m a tatoo fan)

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    not a big fan about the left arm, though i can't pin point what is bothering me about it... so take a glance if you care to, otherwise i love the picture itself

    in particular, i love the simplistic style with the legs... if that makes any sense... i just have a personally hard time drawing limbs which I like, and the style you're taking of bypassing ankles (with me, its fun to do the same with wrists) and enlarging the overall size of the feet vertically... i just love the style, and i hope my little description made sense... anyways, keep updating, i'd love to see the finished product as well.

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    I agree, the legs aren't fat, it's the mix of an incredibly small waist coupled with short calves and too thick ankles that are making them appear that way.

    Another thing, I understand that much of anime has this about it, but I never understood why anime artists always draw the top of the thigh (the part that is supposed to be the thickest) as coming in and clearing a massive space between the thighs at the top, by the crotch. I know there is a tendon there and it comes in, but usually unless a girl is severely underweight (like we're talking anorexic-looking), there isn't a gigantic space there. The thighs touch at the top when the legs are together, I don't care what airbrushed models tell you.

    Anyway, I know you probably won't fix that, cuz it's an anime thing. ; ) Just thought I'd rant! I think the lion is cute. If you fix a few of the glaring anatomical stuff, you will be well on your way.

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    Don't you get it Bad Brownie? That anorexic, starved-Somalian look is the ideal proportion for today's American girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Brownie
    Anyway, I know you probably won't fix that, cuz it's an anime thing. ; )
    Really? I get the whole tarsier eyes/no nostrils thing, but I had no idea the deformed crotch was an anime trope too. Live and learn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JERI
    Don't you get it Bad Brownie? That anorexic, starved-Somalian look is the ideal proportion for today's American girls.
    actually, since it's an anime convention, i see it as more an expression of Japanese pop-cultural tastes -- sexually mature but with certain features forever frozen in early or pre-adolescence. i find it a bit repellent, myself.

    re: the drawing, everything said about the crotch, lower legs and left arm i reiterate, but also the lion's expression looks like maybe she has really bad pit odor, like "eewww!" if he's being lulled, maybe a more relaxed face and a head slightly tilted up would be more convincing, like a cat having it's chin stroked (most of 'em love that). i think that would help clarify her gesture.

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    kick ass i love it. it's got a really nice style too

    im looking at the left arm i think the problem is it doesnt have depth cause its just a sketch but thats not what concerns me its the thumb of the left arm, just looks odd.

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    Nothing looks wrong with this piece, apart from the right knee. Color it!
    (To the nubs: Letting a piece fall into the anime category by using some stereotypical characteristics(like the eyes), lets you do pretty much anything with the anatomy as long as it looks appealing).

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