Im alone in this thread :/ yet
Did a quick ( 10 min) sketch, its was my birthday yesterday, so I didnt had much time
over for Conceptart.org But I got some drawing books (unfortunly in swedish)
and some Derwent sketch graphic pen, so Im pretty happy with it anyways
ah, I gotta post some traditional stuff soon
heres a boring sketch I did
Last edited by Dile_; April 7th, 2006 at 01:03 PM.
Thx alot guys, I really appreciate that your are posting in my thread
heres some traditional stuff, some old , from februari, maybe from jan.
For some reason I like this the best... I can't really make heads or tails of the perspectives going on, but it's more like an optical illusion effect to em rather than something actually beeing wrong with it... it's just one of thoose simple things I can stare at for awhile... I don't know I just like it..
Oh happy birthday by the way!
You don't have a soul, you are a soul. You have a body. - C.S Lewis
where do you see any gnomon stuff in my thread ??
maybe that bike, but notthing else.
btw: try to be more specefic "not all in one time" what do you mean by that ??
if you mean the perspective stuff, why would that be combinated with gnomon ?
all books realated to the basic drawing/painting has the same way.
Last edited by Dile_; March 9th, 2006 at 12:59 PM.
Well, don't be discouraged, skill comes with practice and that's with time. Just remember to study every day because 1 day spend without studying is like a week backwards.
I'd like to see some more 3D-work from you, what you did with the concept is amazing!
You have already great sense for perspective and forms in space. Try to put yourself more into portrait and anatomy work though. The neck on that last one drawing is far too thick. You must first understand. To some studies about the neck, the behaviour of the shoulder, hands, skulls, etc a day and you'll quickly improve.
yeah, thx, I will post some stuff in this evening, and yeah I draw 2 hours everyday at least or more of course...
and den: I didnt followed any fengzhu by doing that, I just was a bit to inspired by Sinix one of the 'better' artists here at ca.org
Try harder, draw more from nature... AND look for PROPORTIONS and SHAPES
...those faces are not worth to be shown.
FIRST make a good form, THEN put on the shadows
P.S. maybe draw bigger pictures, it sometimes help (for egzample two faces on a format A4), ok?
can we cut the politics guys?? Den, there's brutal honesty but now you've crossed the line to being plain cruel. You've been nitpicking at him all day, and that's undermining what the sketchbook groups all about. We're supposed to SUPPORT each other, not make each other feel like shit. Its alright if you don't feel like giving advice if you don't feel he's worth it, but please no more outright flaming.
And don't you two dare leave the group, either of you.
About the faces, the top ones alright, there's definitetly a form of a face developing there. But for future reference, the side profile is THE hardest side of the face to draw, for beginning practice, start off with 3/4 heads because the view allows you to draw features that don't need to be perfectly symmetrical like in a front profile. The bottom face, far eye wouldn't be seen at all. The eye to the front would be farther back from the nose because of an illusion of shadows. Your eye socket dips in from your nose before protruding again at your cheekbone, take a mirror and look at your own face sometimes, maybe trace your own face over with your finger to remember the forms.
NO MORE ARGUING.
Last edited by Chichigo; March 10th, 2006 at 08:16 PM.
Heya Dile! I think its pretty impressive that you've made the decision to study anatomy properly at such a young age - when I was 14 I was still copying DBZ pictures >_<
The first pieces you post showed that you have a bit of skill, but trying too much at once - its best to do some basic stuff in pencil/pen/tool of choice before working up to digital colour. Seems like you realised that and have started to focus more on basic anatomy in pencil first, which is definitely a good idea. The torso studies looked like a good start, although it would be better to see them with the other body part attached so you can get the hang of balanced poses. I really liked your Painter sketch in post 14 - the pose looks good, the body is well rounded, although as Faust said the neck seems too thick and the head too small. I'm also not sure whether the person is male or female - the legs and pose suggest femininity for some reason, although the lack of breasts and the face seem to say otherwise.
The first figure in your latest post looks good - balanced and well proportioned , although the second less so - it is at a harder angle though. More figure studies of this kind will definitely help you, as will studying bone structure, muscles etc... we're at about the same place really If you're not going by a particular book at the moment, Figure Drawing for What It's Worth is quite good, recommended a lot on these forums, and is conveniently available online XD
The faces are also a good start - they're not perfect, but I'm terrible at faces myself at the moment, so can't critique them too well. Faust seems to have done the most study in that area of our group, so I'm sure he'll have something interesting to say on that Are they from a photo reference, from life or from your imagination?
Denysiuk, saying things aren't worthy to be shown really isn't helpful at all. How can anyone improve in these sketchbooks if they don't post anything until they're perfect? Something that's obviously a scribble might not be worth posting, but it looks like Dile put more effort into these than that. You have a bit more skill and experience - so show it with some constructive criticism.
wow, thx for the link Chisa
I will check it out, I think Ive already seen some page on the internet or smth ?!?
and yeah, I will put my soul in every coming picture wich will come up to this thread in the future even if it just is a 5 minute.
thx for the input everyone..
Actually drawing heads isn't hard, it's like drawing everything else. The problem lies on a neurological level. Our brains are programmed to recognise features in faces very narrowly, there's a huge area for that in the brain. So it's clear that you see flaws in a head very fast. Try to remember the difference between two dog-drawings, if drawed the same race, the difference between two individuals won't be that apparent. Same goes when you look at faces from ethnicities which aren't around your environment. I for one often have difficulties to recognise and separate individuals in chinese kungfu-flicks, they all have the same hair and nearly the same traditional chinese clothing.
So your brain has gained a pretty clear idea of how a face looks like over the years. Unfortunately that won't help you very much, since it has no knowledge about the anatomy of a face, only the features. So when I look at a face-drawing of a beginner or even my own sometimes, I see people not drawing faces, but features of the face. Your eye-studies show me that.
That's also why pofiles are often regarded as hard because you haven't got that many landmarks to work your way into. The features of the skull are actually more simple to draw in profile and the head isn't that complicated. There are just vast areas between the facial features on the one side and the ear/hair on the other side where we don't have instinctual understanding from.
In studies we should gain our own landmarks, programming our brains to accept new ways of seeing people. That's how art is changing your environment and the way you see it (It's the thing I love the most about doing art, actually)
Try faces from people of races that you don't see very often in your place, first! Your brain isn't yet programmed that accurately to recognise them so reprogramming should be much easier.
That's what anatomical studies are about. The same is with hands, btw. We have a vast sensorical idea of hands so if we see a drawing of them, we know exactly if that pose is realistic and possible or not. Unfortunately we have no visual information stored, so the hands we draw without studies from head look pretty much like shit. Visual information has yet to be applied.
Hope that helped Cheers
btw: it's "doodles" and not "doddles" if I recall correctly
damn, r you proffessor or something cool like that ??
I would have got my fingers crashed if I wrote so much
and about the eyes, I dont use to draw eyes like that, but I had a new book..
"anatomy for the artist" (Dont remember the name of who wrote it)
and she does like that, so I just had to test it out
thx for that loooooooooong post
daaa.. I downloaded the Andrew Loomis stuff, but, I happend to not have Acrobat reader installed.. so I had to download it too..
then it asked me for a serial key (wich I thought I didnt have) so I just pushed the "X" and deleted the file... then when I went up to my
room for cleaning up, guess what i found ?? Acrobat reader 6.0 (bought for some year back) so now I can watch the loomis stuff
Last edited by Dile_; March 11th, 2006 at 07:56 AM.
well, I showed my brother that I acctually can do some stuff in PS
and this was the cartoon lookish result
*Faust, I tried to not think the head as a head, but as a "thing"
like you described*
I have draw alot since the last update, but I dont have my camera, (battery issues)
Hrmm... not bad, but it does betray the fact that you haven't yet perfected anatomy and values and all that jazz. I'd suggest easing up on the colouring at the moment and sticking to some hardcore anatomy study until you've got the hang of that, although I can definitely understand being tempted to skip ahead and try something for fun. Post your other stuff soon!
well, since that was "a funny cartoon character" then I didnt reallly
thought about the anatomy, I just felt for doing it
but thx for your input, and Faust sended me a list for good books, so I will
/hope that i can improve my anatomy pretty soon