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Thank you for this link Dan, a very concise reading. As soon as I read the first paragraph, well actually as soon as I read the title, I immediatly thought of a few people I was going to show this to.
Instead of wearing myself out every time "one of those conversations" begins, I will simply point to this article. Less tiring, less stressing, more articulate, more concise
I have half a mind to sticky that in the Employment Discussion section.
Oregano, kick your other half mind in the ass if you can find it, and do it...
go for it it :0
im posting it in the scholarship thread too....
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Great link, Dan! And, yeah.. it did ring very true!
Sticky that mofo, Oregano!
Very well written and it definitely gets the point accross. Thanks for the post.
YES! I am so sick of having to relate my work to other artists as if I don't have a style of my own. It really bugs the hell outta me.True style comes from within not from copying someone else.
Great link, Dan.
Originally Posted by OreganoOriginally Posted by Ilaekae
I'll bookmark the link. Every single highschool "friend" who believes I'm still pursuing some childish dream will get sent this link.
There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine and THE TRUTH.
Thats it! Im burning my diploma......and my wifes bra but thats another story
The devil made me do it!!!
Haha Sorrowking, I wonder what that other story is about Mind to make an article like Daniel Pelavin has done?
I am confused, ....probably will have to aspire becoming "the best there is", as before.....
There are some really good reads here on CA.
There are deff. a few people this needs to be shown too I can think of.
Thanks Oregano for stickying it. I don't think I would have caught it otherwise.
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I totally agree. I've been undergoing a rather unfulfilling education in fine art, and that's one of the things that bothers me the most: the students and professors keep wanting me to compare my work to that of other artists, and when I don't, they do that themselves. Why can't they analyze my work for what it is, instead of immediately trying to categorize it?Originally Posted by Quicksilver
This article is a breath of fresh, chilling air. Thanks.
This reigns true to me now more than ever. Just coming out of an art school that charged me a good deal of money, so far I've gained nothing from the school. My first job I aquired online and quite frankly by accident, and now that I went back to school so they can help find some new work all I got was a worthless pamphlet about interviews and weblinks for pages for me to pay a monthly fee so they can find work for me. The sooner I would've known what I know now the sooner I could've started my career, I feel like everything I've done until know has been a step backwards...this link gives it to you straight, there is no such thing as "gifted" or "easy talent" no matter how good you are you have to bust your ass off in this industry.
Daniel Pelavin is great. I got to meet him back at tech school and learned a lot from his presentation. Great article!
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This inspired me to mount a full blown protest in my art school which required me to demonstrate at least 8 artist that inspired me ...
for my thesis projects...
"Inspired" is a little different than "copy..."
I get inspired by a lot of things, but I don't necessarily want to copy them. Like a good bowl of fruit, for example, or burning sorrowking's wife's bra. ; )
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Thanx dan for that interesting read. I should recommend this to anyone that is pursing this career.
Thank you for posting that thread. So many of those things are so true. I am so tired of having someone say "Yeah, this is good, but I was looking for something more like (insert name of famous artist here) does." There are those few fortunate times when I have had an art director tell me to only show them my stlye, and then get the job!
Don't listen to me, I'm just an ape with a pencil!
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Thanks for posting that.
As a student of CCS I can honestly say I was taught 98% art, 2& buisness...in the illustration department. So far, only the teachers were what made going to school worth it.
I haven't really gained anything from the school itself. I owe them a shit load of money...more accuratly I owe a bank a shit load of money because of the insanely high cost of art school.
Honestly, in retrospect, I would have loved to trade two years of art for two years of buisness training. I would have done the art anyways, the buisness part no. So I have to do it after I graduated.
All I can say, is I'm very depressed I have no job right now. I thought that college was supposed to help with that. Nope!
Oh, and if you think I'm an exception not a rule. All of my friends, except ONE have NO jobs.
Sorry for ranting, but I had to say it. I feel a little better now. I know this probably isn't the place for it.
Thanks, again, for the article. I will pass it around.
Last edited by Beonarri; September 18th, 2006 at 11:13 PM.
Dont apologize. Im right there with you man.Originally Posted by Beonarri
But to be fair, I could have been a better student while I was in school.
On the other hand, looking back I find it odd that like there was only 1 class for business and marketing and like 5-10 english, math, psych classes I had to take.
In retrospect I either should have gone to a better school out in Cali or been a graphic designer so I could get a job.
well i would like to say thanks for posting that link i have printed it out for furture ref
You see i know lots of art courses that Dont Teach basics of Art
I have always thought that we need a Art Degere in order for people to take us Seriosly as most people dont take artists as a real carerr do they??
am only a artists just starting out so thats why i dont post here as i know that there are alot of people here that are professional artists and i aint at that level
i did post this in the AOI forum but i thought that i may get more info from you guys hope u dont mind??
Hello everyone am new here I'm from Sussex UK and I'm a disabled artist and unable to work i have no money behind me at all. but i do have a husband that takes care of me .
and I'm 26 and only just starting out as an artist a late starter is it to late for me??.
and can you make money as an freelance illustrator ? .
where subject areas sell in the work in the freelance illustrator world?
oh i like childrens illustration and cartoon work but i know thats hard to get into!!! i have heard anyhow
what does Advertising illustration subjets cover?
am up for anything Concept illustration looks good but i dont know what it covers though?? and what subjet areas again?? and is there paid work in it?
also like Book jackets/CD s
and posters and greeting card and book illustration my list could go on ..
I'm only a Beginner artist i would like to know what kind of art courses are good to take if your wanna become a professional illustrator in the future? Is there any distance learning illustration courses that i could do for the Beginner level ?.
at the mo am doing a distance learning course with the London art .
college which is a painting and drawing course that covers :
Materials needed, perspective, pen and ink drawing, drawing plants and flowers, drawing animals, drawing out of doors, using the photocopier, distinction between pen and pencil, illustrating for children, materials and colour, watercolour techniques and preparation, size and proportion of pictures, composition, landscapes, creativity in painting, oil painting, experiments with style, acrylics and gouache, life drawing, life and movement, poster painting and lettering, book jackets, fashion drawing, graphic design.
i have been on the hunt on the net but nothing!!
Do you need a degree in art/illustration in order to be a
? as i will not be able to do that could i learn to be a professional illustrator though art books and distance learning ?
well hope to hear from you soon
Articles like this keep my bowels regular. As at the moment I go to Pratt, were in the illustration department there is this constipatatiing overtone of misinformation I feel.
thanl you dan
YES THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!
The only thing I got out of college was great parties and cute girls.
Ironicaly our school motto was, "learn by doing".
So what was the point in taking a class?
I miss those days.
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hehe...so true, ah well...uni just gave me time I didnt have to be making money (was just racking up debt instead)- to doodle (and be taught jack-all).....and there is nothing truer than the point that a degree counts for absolutly nothing...at all, ever(except mabe top make mummy and daddy proud)....and f'in A...to all who either get the "oh-that totally looks like.....". Do something gothic, and your burton, something inky and your scarfe. I find the way to get the fun work is to be different-my favourite comment on my work is "well thats wiered, I've never seen something like that before".
So... you're saying I shouldn't major in illustration?