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    France in FLAMES

    Can somone tell me what is going on over in France? What the hell is up with the weeks of rioting? Is it somthing serious? the news over here is vague. If anyone from France could explain the situation, I'd appreciate it. I love that country, and hope it doesn't fall apart.

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    Awake since four days but I'll try to tell ya what happen in France in plain English. So, apologies if I made mistakes ! Well, the actual stituation in France is not very good, in a social point of view, these last years. I'm sure you got some problems with getthos in America, it's the same in France ! Personally, I think it's not a racial question, but a social problem. And our gouvernement is probably the worst I ever saw in my all life (okay, only 26 years old !).
    They used repressive squad police forces AND keep people in the fear of Getthos, to keep in place with the absolute power, and increase security and policy. The total budget for national scolarship was 40 millions Euros in 2002-2003. The total budget for police squad was 80 millions Euros the same year ! You see what I mean ! Tension is growing up in Getthos as the repressive power get stronger. And people still afraid (thanks French media !).
    Untill that day, ten days ago, when two young people from the Ghetto (near Paris I think) found death, for escaping or trying to escape to the police. Nobody can tell if they were innocent or not. It was like light a cig near dynamite ! Quickly, all the getthos people start some riot actions ! (but only in Ghetto, for now !).
    It starts from Paris region and grow up in every town with some importance. My town too but it's quickly calm down, cause we got a fight between studiants and police squad every week (since one year)! It's not the same thing, but it's the same problem: repressive squad versus an over-exagerated fear !
    Obviously, it's too early too tell precisely if it's a massive riot or what ! I think you can compare it to the LA riot in 92 (Is that the good year ?). But I'm not sure of the really impact of this ! It looks less massive but I don't have the statistics in mind.
    I know that France made a lot of crits against america those last years (well, more versus G.W. Bush that America itself !). But, you know, this last days, I'm feeling ashamed to be French !
    Well, I hope I don't over-exagerate the situation, maybe some CA compatriots like Aleksi can tell you some more, more objectivly purpose, cause they are living in Paris !
    That's all for now...
    Hope it will have a solution, really !
    Peace...
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    [EDIT: It's seems not really optmistic, but hey ! Life goes on and I can buy my bread without wearing a gazmask ! I'm sure this riots are really impressive, but the country don't fall appart ! That's why I compared it to LA '92 riots ! Hope I don't hurt/shock anybody, but don't worry: French dudes still here on CA !
    From France with love !]

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    So i take it a social unrest with the lower class population is flaming up? I looked on google and I can't find any exact reasons aside from something close to racial inequality with government policies. Correct me if i'm wrong.

    Sounds bad in any event.. all I have been seeing on the news is football drama lately (my roommates are all about sports) so i wasn't even aware this was happening.

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    Hi Lord Blue !
    I hope I understand correctly your reply ! Well, what can I say: Of course there's a racial problem in France. After WW2, we took people from our north africa's colonies (where my grand-ma, grand-pa and father born) to help to the re-building of our countrie. And then, simply forget them in the gethos (of course, it was racial !). But generation after generation the situation get harder and harder with people who don't have a job, don't have a "situation", consideration and/or respect (in my point of view, it's a social problem). Too much pressure and they saw that our gouvernement won't help them. Frustration and anger grow up.
    It's a bit complicated to explain.
    I'm a bit frustrated that my english doesn't fit to my thoughts. Hope a french dude can help me ! Untill that time, I'll try to sleep, take a coffee and take the time to translate you the news point by point (it help me to progress in english, I hope !).
    Try to do my best !
    Cheers !

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    I've seen interviews from the ghettos where they mention that its close to impossible to get a job if you have an arab sounding name or live in specific areas. Norwegian media have been focusing on years of failed integration politics as a cause to these problems. If thats correct? i dont know for sure.

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    BATTLE OF ALGIERS...rent it...right now...NOW

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    Okay, I'm back and try to be more precise: IT'S NOT CIVIL WAR IN FRANCE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RIOTS IN THE GETTHOS AREAS ALL OVER THE COUNTRIE !!! If I can't sleep tonight, I'll take some time to translate some French informations about the situation here !

    @ Slash: It's exactly the kind of situation they lived in France ! Your informations sources are correct, Slash. Now, you can understand what I mean by social problem. Our politics tell us "no ! no ! There's no racials problems, no integration's problems, we are "la France", countrie of man's rights, blablabla !" And frustration and anger grow up in Getthos areas.

    @ Raspar Capac: I love the fact you seems a "tintin" 's fan. Plus I know you're armenian, am I correct ? But I can't understand what you mean by this "BATTLE OF ALGIERS...rent it...right now...NOW". Would you, please, be more precise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alday.J
    But I can't understand what you mean by this "BATTLE OF ALGIERS...rent it...right now...NOW". Would you, please, be more precise...

    This from my good friend mr. Amazon:
    One of the most influential films in the history of political cinema, Gillo Pontecorvo’s The Battle of Algiers focuses on the harrowing events of 1957, a key year in Algeria’s struggle for independence from France. Shot in the streets of Algiers in documentary style, the film vividly recreates the tumultuous Algerian uprising against the occupying French in the 1950s. As violence escalates on both sides, the French torture prisoners for information and the Algerians resort to terrorism in their quest for independence. Children shoot soldiers at point-blank range, women plant bombs in cafés. The French win the battle, but ultimately lose the war as the Algerian people demonstrate that they will no longer be suppressed. The Criterion Collection is proud present Gillo Pontecorvo’s tour de force—a film with astonishing relevance today.

    my two cents...
    as always....the actions of a colonial country in the past always will come back to haunt them...for example, what the US did on behalf of the UK in Iran in the 50's under the guise of "anti communism" = hatred of the west, 911...etc,etc...I am in now way condoning these acts.. but when people have absolutely no HOPE for the future...they resort to extreme measure.This is human nature.

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    Ive heard that theres alot of trouble finding jobs, almost exclusively in the mid-to-lower class teenagers. They feel cheated out of work, and want their equal opportunity, but nobody wants to hire them. Hopefully this will all be over soon, civil unrest anywhere isnt usually a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alday.J
    Our politics tell us "no ! no ! There's no racials problems, no integration's problems, we are "la France", countrie of man's rights, blablabla !" And frustration and anger grow up in Getthos areas.
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    So this riot is precipitated by a long history of inequality and neglect?

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    I can imagine it is scary, live day after day without any perspective for the future....

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    also france has a crazy mandatory 2-3 month vacation....where mostly everything (ie shops and businesses close down for the summer)...

    someone verify if i'm mistaken...

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    i heard it has spread over to germany and swizerland ... but these riots were VERYVERYVERY small...nothing to fear...thers more deavastation at a normal demonstration...but i thought someone could be interested to read that.

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