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November 1st, 2005 #1
So I've been on this forum for quite some time, leeching off the inspiration of others, drooling and biding my time to contribute and show my stuff. I've been wanting to do this whole character design thing for a while, just felt I needed to strengthen my grasp on anatomy, drapery, etc. etc. Fact is, it's just a matter of practicing, and I can think of no better motivator then the force which is CA. Perhaps a strange man with a whip behind me, threatening unless I continue to draw...perhaps...but I digress.
I'm currently studying Illustration at Syracuse, and we have this class with a rotating teacher-this five week segment is Brian Ajhar, so he forced me to finally get my act together and start drawing some characters. It's fun, but, man have I ways to go. I'm hoping for some biting comments that send me to tears, but then force me to kick myself and forgo sleep in lou of wanting to improve on X image in X way...or hearing that my hands are a sorry excuse for overcooked spaghetti. I haven't even bothered to include colors in this post, but that will come in good time.
I'm not sure if getting around to posting here is more of procrastination on my part instead of actually drawing, or just a really, really good idea that I should have done months ago. Either way, here's some drawings from the past couple of weeks. I want to say I spent no more then a half hour on each of them. They appear in no order whatsoever.
Creating from my head is certainly a new thing-I'm used to working form photographs/life. Character design is infinitely harder and that's why I know I'll be growing to love it. To give you some idea of what I normally do, here's an image from another page of my sketchbook:
My website (which is about six months out of date) further demonstrates how different these are for me, but this is me just trying to justify what I feel is a serious lack of quality in these images when compared to so many others on this site. More room to improve-right?
More to come...
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November 8th, 2005 #3
So it's looking like this isn't going to be one of those daily sketchbooks. Not because I don't have enough to fill the whole daily thing...rather because I don't own a scanner, and the scanner I use, while fast, royally blows. Anyhow, I've been trying to get better at this whole arm thing. Most of these I'm copying from a website or a book (Anatomy for Artists), but some are from my imagination. It's not so hard to tell which one is which. I'm still having trouble picturing a lot of the muscles in 3d. All in good time, I suppose. Anatomy is hard...but addictive.
(yes, not my best set)
(from imagination...not entirely right...but fairly close I think)
So that's my arm entry. Hopefully I can have a hand one fairly soon. Then more arms. Then more hands. Then maybe the shoulder. Legs will be happening in the distant, yet probably fairly soon future.
November 8th, 2005 #4
So I figure if I'm going to start updating this regularly with my new stuff, I might as well show you all where I'm coming from. This thread is just a massive dump of some of the sketches in a sketchbook I finished last week.
Drawn around the time I was reading Loomis "Fun With Pencil" Based off of a Corbis image of druids.
So I started drawing him, got to the point where I usually stop (like the Brad Pitt below) and then decided to push for an hourish to see if I could. I was happy to see I am able to render when I want...but who wants to render? Actually, I'm curious-do you think it would be worth my time to spend more time on each sketch, taking it to this level, or would it be better to do six less rendered heads?
Someone commented that this was the sexiest looking guy I'd drawn, and he still looks a little evil...
Me trying to draw cartoons...always a fun change of pace that I'd like to make the norm for me.
Notes from Roger Demuth's class
Copying pictures from an Illustrator's Annual book
Copying El Greco
Stills while watching Fight Club
Figure Drawing in Bic pen
More Figure Drawing in Bic Pen
More Figure Drawing (not in Bic) I even went to the trouble of stitching together two images to give you the whole 11x14 sheet...most of these are 8.5x11 portions of 11x14 pages. I don't have a bigger scanner on hand.
More Figure Drawing
Roomates when I was at Hebrew U
Images based off of Loomis's head drawing tecnique which at first I thought was really awesome, and now I think is nice...but is really only good for drawing like Loomis, and only drawing old men like Loomis. Check out "Fun With Pencil" from saveloomis.com to see what I mean.
More Loomisesque heads
From the comic "Violent Cases" by Dave McKean and Neal Gaiman
More from that comic-definitely something worth picking up.
More copying from that comic.
Stills while watching Once Upon a Time in Mexico. I'd say the only good part of that DVD was the special where the director compares cooking to sex.
My mother caught in what seems to be some sort of menacing laugh
Drawings based off of newspaper photos
More drawings off of the newspaper pics
More newspaper drawings
"Why is he taking a picture of me?"
Oh, if only he knew....
These unsuspecting fools never knew it when I stole their soul with the digital camera that had joyously arrived in the mail the day previous.
All right. I have afew more pictures, and then I won't have to look at this sketchbook again for a while.
November 8th, 2005 #5
More catching up
So this is taking longer then I would have liked, but I suppose 55 images scanned, adjusted, cropped, labeled and uploaded very well might.
This is just a continuation of that last post. I'll probably do another update like this in a week or so.
Pierce, an excellent fellow I worked worth at Animation Collective
Wow, this image is old...hell, I was using blue pens back then. I don't use Bic at all these days...um...don't look at this...it's old.
Out of proportion attempt at my roomate in Israel
The left side of the page from the previous pick-still copying Rembrandt
Rembrandt in Bic
I want to say I was looking at Rockwell when I did this.
This was Rembrandt. Man, I love that guy.
Jeremy does Rembrandt does Pilgrims.
Yep, still more Rembrandt
I don't know about you, but I don't htink I can ever get enough of this guy.
This one's Rockwellian based
Another Rockwell butchered by yours truly
Copying Samwise...poorly. The plan is to be able to do these creatures without looking at the Wizard of Blizzard
Smoking is bad for health but good for my art
Not sure about this one...it involves someone wipping another for snow balls. Very true to life, I suppose
New York Subway
In class with Gary Trento
I love these pages in my sketchbook. I should do more of them. I was not in a good mood when I started this. By the end, I was happier.
Photograph and pencils are mine, and I'm rather happy with how it turned out, but the real site is the statue. I saw this one in Yad Vashem. The larger one is in a concentration camp in Poland.
So that's it for now. Perhaps I'll upload the 24 Hour Comic (the Scott McLoud inspired make a 24 page comic book in 24 hours) that I did last week. Perhaps the figure drawings I did yesterday. Perhaps the painting, stills from my animation-the animatic from it...plenty to come. I figure come Winter Break I'll be really going back and forth with the advice people are posting here.
November 10th, 2005 #6
'Cuse represent! Get some of your classmates on here. I want to see somebody from the Cuse in the Student T-Dome.
I like the variety in your sketchbook stuff, but it seems you're moving too quickly to stylization without understanding the realistic form first. Somebody like Dave McKean can draw his ass off, but, as he says, "If you want something to look like a photograph, take a photograph." But he's also got the skills underneath that. Study realistic anatomy and proportions before you start imbuing it with your own unique style.
If you can, try and get into the anatomy class at SVA. If it's still the same teacher as when I was there ('99) it'll knock your socks off with the amount of info you get out of it. Otherwise, just keep up the drawing!
December 16th, 2005 #7
well id say your keeping yourself busy! haha. I can definatly see you improving alot. its very good the you go to the trouble to fully render all your sketches. It shows your no slouch! One thing i thought looked a little wierd was how you mixed pen and white chalk in some of your first pictures. in my opinion it looks alot cleaner to stay with either white/black chalk or white/black ink and not mix the two. anyways, welcome to SSG8
December 16th, 2005 #8
Not Exactly Sketches
I just think I'll post everything I do on this forum. I want the line between sketches and finishes to blur-more to the point where my sketches are better rather then the finishes getting worse. Here's afew of the pieces I did over the course of this past semester. Just scanned these in last night. I probably spent between an hour and three on each of these.
Just joined a sketchbook support group-my signature will probably reflect that once I get around to changing it, and I'm happy to be a part of it. Hopefully it will motivate me as much as I intend it to.
I'll go somewhat chronillogically-this piece I did after not having painted for about seven months due to not having brought my paints to Israel...stupid me...anyhow, this is one of three-the first two are far too embarrasing to show, but they got me back into the groove.
Same model...he really isn't as scary as one might gather from these pictures.
These next two are finishes that I turned in along with another-I'm not too proud of any of the three, but I'm experimenting, and that's always good, right?
This one can kind of be considered concept art...but not really...
I meant to do all four beatles, but I ended up messing up and doing Gearge twice and not doing McCartney..no need to point that out...I know...not too happy about it. Did these four in one sitting over the course of a rather long day. (They're posted in the order I did them)
Here's my first worthwhile attempt at doing comic art. These did not take one to three hours...closer to eight a piece, not including the photo stage or photoshop compiling stage...it's a lot longer if you take those into account. I poured my heart into these. I'll get better-I have such a long way to go.
All right-that's it for now-I know these are neither sketches nor concept art, but they're what I'm posting-so deal.
There will be a post daily starting today however, mark my word...well-roughly daily.
December 16th, 2005 #9
I love your style, I found myself enjoying those drawing that you create without a photo. Keep that up, keep developing your style, and Keep sketching!
Thats awesome that you are gonna draw daily, I look forward to it, and you can count on me checking it out everytime im on
December 18th, 2005 #10
First some responses, then some art.
Fat Kid-I see you all over these forums-it's good people like you are out there contributing and really making this community what it is. I agree with you completely-most of the sketching I do is based off of photographs or from anatomy studies or wrestling with all of those basics, but I just really, really want to get to the characters. I feel in attempting to do some characters I'm asking myself all of those questions-and need a hard answer if I don't want it to look like complete shit. However, yeah-basics-I'm doign those as well as you can now see, but I really want to get to a point where I can do the characters and they're building off of the basics
Poohgoe-I want backgrounds too. I took a try in the comic book pages I posted-I need to work on my perspective and hardware drawings, but I'll get there.
Foster-Jerome Witkin, an absolutely fantastic artist teaches anatomy at Cuse-there is nothing I would love more then to take the class-but alas it is not looking to fit in my weekly schedule. I'll be doing figure drawing twice a week, and should be continuing that for some time; looking at Bridgeman and Loomis; and I think I'll be making some flashcards-cause a lot of it ties back to me jsut having a lousy memory when I don't push it. After I finish college I'll be moving on to take some more anatomy classes-mark my word.
Blahm-I really liked the chalk when I first did it-it was new, nothing I'd done before...but now that you mention is-yeah, you're right-I need to get better and b&w before can really get to proficient highlights
Brent-First off, we really need to start getting on the tail of the rest of the people in the SSG-there's some serious nondaily slackers-more to the point, I'm glad you're liking the ones without photos-they're certainly the direction I'm looking to move to. However, I should mention that there are VERY few that don't have photo reference that I've posted. Which are you refering to specifically?
And now, the pictures....(give me a sec while I finish scanning)
December 18th, 2005 #11
So I did most of these while watching some horrible movie with my folks-even the name has been blotted from my memory. That's a good thing.
This is a an attempt at doing yours truly-you may expect more of these-I'm a good model-I pose exactly how I want, I don't move-yep, couldn't ask for anything more.
This is me butchering a couple of Andrew Jones' self portraits in a warm up session to get me into the whole groove of drawing.
These next two are copied directly from random illustrations throughout the magazine CG World (I think that's its name-it's the one affiliated with gamasutra.com) Hence, I take no credit if they look bad and all credit if they don't.
Well, I don't know if all credit is fair...most, perhaps?
The painting turned out nothing like this sketch, but I had fun-and that's what matters.
Another sp-did it in 5ish minutes, if that-I'd say it shows.
Not sure what this one is...but enjoy.
(Not sure how preview a quick reply-hope this displays as intended)
December 18th, 2005 #12
What I meant was that I loved the style that came out of your drawings from life or memory. You drawings based on photo refs are of course awesome, but when you draw from nothing, I just like your unique style. Your very first sketches that you posted, for example, have their own style and I like that.
You got some awesome creativity, try more of just making up characters of all kinds. You might get some pretty cool results. Zone out, and just let the imagination flow. Keep up those studies though, you can tell that they are improving your drawing. Try doing an anatomy or figure study, then right after sketching a unique character based on what you just learned or remember.
I dunno, might not help, but I know that creativity is one the most fullfilling experiences I get from drawing.
oh, and thanks for checking my SB out, if our group doesnt support, at least we know we both will
December 18th, 2005 #13
In many of your drawings you just rush through the shading... I would suggest you to put some love in your shading lines too...imho it will improve the overall impression by far... It won't take much more time, but as I said your drawings will look so much better.
My sketchbook flawed to the max page 5
Ps:Hope you understand my English.
Remember my advices taste best with a grain of salt.