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    Why do you think High School does NOT Teach Life Drawing?

    Why does High School treat people that want to take art classes worse then people that wanna join the school marching band?

    It's like all these jock sniffers and pseudo intellectuals are on the board of education and deemed art classes as an unworthy pursuit?

    And here we are in the 21st century with computer games and movies making multi-billion dollar gross.....who are these idiots that make these decisions in the public school system?

    I recall a lot of apathy in high school towards art and very little structure on teaching it.......it just felt like it was a place to put all the misfits in and be baby sitted for an hour or so.

    And at that time I realize I wanted structure.

    What could be more simple and more structural then offering Life Drawing in High School? Why do you think it was not taught?

    As far as the genitals and nipples go, you could wear a leotard and teach quicksketch.

    Basically, this is my impression of public schools in California....in California!.....gawd, you'd think we'd be more liberal.


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    I'll lay a personal view on the line, and expect to get flamed for it.

    Modernists single handedly destroyed the credibility of artists, their work was churned out at such a fast rate and at such low technical skill levels that they both became rich from their works and also negatively affected the public's opinion of art as a vocation.

    Their lack of technical skill brought art work to a level that is easily replicated by a fucking chimpanzee (literally - I can't remember this chimp's name) and thus took away the stigma of "how the fuck was that even CONCEIVED!?" as lovingly cultivated by the renaissance and baroque artists and their ilk.

    The very word "art" in the public domain carries a meme of splattered paint and emotion on canvas as professed by Picasso.

    Thats my thought on the matter for better or worse.

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    I on my behalf think that most high-schools dont see art as something you can actually live of :| Thats why the technical aspects of creating art (as well as the more theoretical aspects) got left behind IMHO...
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    I hate the art classes they give in high school here ( finland )
    Its so stupid that they dont even teach some basic anatomy,no lifedrawing, the subject of paintings being almost totally controlled by teachers + you have to write this "learning diary" thing. lol

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    dont expect the people who run these schools to have any interest in it. I very much agree with Magic Man, it's also the same for some colleges.

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    I actually failed my high school art class 3 times in a row for this very reason. I refused to write about my feelings for 2 weeks in a diary and then later turn it into some shitty collage for a class project, as was part of our curriculum. Rather, I spent my time looking out of the windows drawing the trees, or practicing portraits and anatomy. I eventually just gave up on the class. Luckily, I was tight with the VP, he let me into art 30 and pass with a mastery score. But I was so resentful about art because of this for the longest time. I did'nt really even "get back into" drawing until about 2 years ago when I started looking at these forums and realized that I DON'T have to be a complete pussy in order to make a living as an artist.


    This whole picasso-esque, 'randomness of life' idea conveyed in art nowadays is extremely overplayed is to me seems like a very cheap way of cutting corners in order to produce some work. And it actually angers me to the point where I dread talking to someone was they introduce themselve as an "artist".

    This may be a bit off topic.. but it kinds of runs in the veins of Magic Man's post,

    I think nowadays, art IS turned out too fast, too crappy. But I don't think it's the teacher's fault, I think is kids today. Mainly kids around my age. 16 - 20 ish, I'm 20. I've noticed from teen forums and such on art, that anything will pass for art given it's context. I've seen a kid literrly just cut up any random things from magazine and collage them together in abouit 10 minutes.. everyone on the forum will say "wow, that's SOOOOO amazing, you're so artistic" It's gotten to the point where I don't think they're saying it to protect people's feelings anymore, but they honestly believe it. So when they see an actual work of art, like one of DSIllustration's pics I posted as a ref, they said "yeah, that's pretty cool." Just because it was'nt about thier teen angst or emotional instabilities....

    My bottom line is that nowadays the concept of a piece of art far outweighs the technical executions in the younger generation's minds.
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    I think the problem is people perceive art as an emotional pursuit rather then an intellectual one.

    People give more credence to intellectual thought if you study physics, but not art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSeRider
    I think the problem is people perceive art as an emotional pursuit rather then an intellectual one.

    People give more credence to intellectual thought if you study physics, but not art.

    people also think of it as just some hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Man
    Their lack of technical skill brought art work to a level that is easily replicated by a fucking chimpanzee (literally - I can't remember this chimp's name)
    That was Congo the chimp. Half hilarious, half tragic.

    In answer to the question though, it's because the art teachers don't know how to do it themselves in most cases. It's not really their fault, they are the product of art schools that didn't teach it, so it'll take a while to get back to teaching it more broadly.

    Without wanting to get into a 'modern art sucks' vs 'modern art rules' debate, i will say that there is a place for modern art, and much of it i find fascinating. What i don't like though, is that teaching has changed into a way that says "you can do whatever you like with art", but then only gives you the freedom to do what the teacher likes (which tends to be modern) and won't provide solid grounding.

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    I stand by magicman on that one. Those modernist jaggoffs have pretty much fisted traditional art's credibility. In my past 12 years of education, ive had at least one art class a year. For the first time ever, this year I've actually got a real art teacher. Not some ornery old grandma trying to earn some extra retirement dough, we're talking an honest to god artist. Somedays, she'll just tell us to go outside and sketch what we feel. Other days, she'll set us infront of, say, a decrepit old bicycle and tell us to do an ink wash of anything other than the bike. Point being, she knows art and she wants us to try and figure out our own meaning of art. Best part? Shes not a teacher. Our real teacher got knocked up, so the head of our art department (a friend of hers) asked her to come in. I think when you're educated to be an art teacher for anyplace other than art school, you ruin it.

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    Mine did .

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    U Bastard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishw
    That was Congo the chimp. Half hilarious, half tragic.
    Thats just fucking sickeningly rediculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSeRider
    Why does High School treat people that want to take art classes worse then people that wanna join the school marching band?

    It's like all these jock sniffers and pseudo intellectuals are on the board of education and deemed art classes as an unworthy pursuit?
    Bottom line is that it comes down to money - and this is the gospel truth with both Highschool and Junior Colleges - it has nothing to do with modernists or artistic credibility or anything like that.

    Highschools get money when their sports stars are accepted by junior colleges, and the junior colleges get money when they move on to whatever college they finally end up attending.

    They don't for the arts or music. It's really as simple as that.

    Besides, why would they go and get excited about some damn fairy who wants to go and *draw* when they've Wolf Hunter on the football team?

    I mean, c'mon.
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    Mine didn't have a football team .

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