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October 26th, 2005 #1
What is it that you seek? (heavy heavy...bring your thinking cap)
This is a bit of a spinoff of the other thread.
I'll be honest, I personally put various forms of visual art on a higher pedestal than others - as I'd imagine a lot of you guys would as well, perhaps if not consciously, then subconsciously.
I've always been keenly aware that I like the aesthetic design of anything, whether it be a product, a drawing, a painting, even the typography of a well made newsletter - when they were done right, you never noticed it, it sat in perfect zen and nothing detracted from the overall product or piece.
Originally, when I left college, I knew I wanted to pursue something in the visual field...anything would do, I just didn't want to do anything in computer science.
So I poked and looked in every nook and cranny and eventually landed a role as a standard lock stock graphic artist doing catalogues, advertising and such. I was ecstatic because I was doing something visual!
That enjoyment lasted about 3 months until I realised all my visual desgn principles and aesthetic principles were thrown out the window once money started to be a factor. Customers didn't care about proper kerning, didn't care about visual balance or consistency, they didn't care about alignment or use of negative space...9/10 customers wanted to fit as fucking much informaton on the page as possible, and made sure to have the "50% OFF!" was always in a giant red star with bold lettering and was placed "somethere...anywhere that fits" on the page.
I started to realise that this job was absolute baloney, the could have hired a rote trained monkey to do that job so I started to look at what else I could do in the visual field. Even being paid freelance, rediculous (imo rediculous - simply because for what they wanted, my prices were always high) amounts, I would abhor having to do this work. I occassionally still do it, I mean who would turn down $1500+ for one days work? That is a lot of reference and art materials =)
I wanted to then get into 3d modelling because heck that seemed like it would be great fun, but then, I thought about it and thought to myself "hmm...there must be someone else BEHIND the designs...I don't really want to be taking someone else's designs and turning them into visual assets...what happens if I get a crap designer then I'll be doing a variation of what i was doing before", s I finally stumbled across the field of concept design and that settled it.
I worked hard at my drawing skills for 6 months in my spare time before landing a position doing exactly that then climbing higher within the company quickly.
Now I get almost complete creativ freedom in what I do, except for the fact that I still take the visual cue from the scriptwriter's story (I'm kinda fortunate since I have some sway in that as well heh), so within the working environment of team based creative work, this is about as close as I will get to doing my own thing.
I recently became entranced with the renaissance periods and I am studying their techniques and art form, both the visual aspect and mental dispositon behind their works, from the theatrical stances and expression to classically balanced composition in an effort to pay hommage to those masters of humanism. I've also taken to learning of sculpture, which is something I would also love to master in the future next to oil painting.
Underneath all this, I understand that I was not seeking a style, or job, but I was seeking freedom - what path should I take in order to wrench the creative hand back from others and place it into my own, so that I am essentially the master of my own fate and work.
I can now understand why some artists NEVER accept commissions, and instead rely on exhibitions to make their living.
So I guess what I seek, ultimately, is freedom.
I feel through a fine arts approach I can gain that freedom, I can express my thoughts as freely as choosing the subject matter through which to express it, I can take any stance I want and not be reeled in my upper echleons looking to stem creative effort in order to reduce polarisation of the market place thus increased the target audience range which translated to a higher return on invested capital (thats my managerial degree speaking...don't mind him, he's an idiot).
I feel for me, that is the highest form of visual representation, or the basis of how I rank visual representation - the less tightly the reins are wound around your subject matter and socio-political stance.
Also connected to this belief, I feel is also the need of physically unique qualities, I find myself strictly using my digital skills and tools only for work, and reverting to physical tools and mediums to explore my own works.
I believe a part of me, like so many others seeks some form of their lives and existence living forever in limited and treasured quantity, working in finite degradeable materials increases the impact of each piece.
So, have you asked this question of yourself lately? I'm assuming everyone who reads this loves their art - do you just want to "draw cool shit" as someone said in the other thread?
I once did, I admit that much, but I want so much more than that now, I want to affect people's thoughts and stance of subjects, just like film directors - those who can make people interested in a subject matter because of their film, imo have gone above and beyond what their jobs call for and have ascended to a higher level.
I know for one thing, my life does not revolve around money, I don't feel very many artists would revolve their lives around money, for me I don't give two shits to be honest, as long as I have enough to feed myself and buy my supplies, I don't give two hoots, I could be working on minimum wage (I'm not heh) and I wouldn't feel any worse for wear.
I feel through art, I am searching for myself, I am presenting myself with a blank canvas, asking myself difficult questions and replying to myself on that blank canvas, I am forcing myself to confront questions I usually don't ask in the best way I know how. I am searching for the meaning of life through art and I am being free while doing it.
A bit heady this all is...but I am convinced many of us are beyond the "draw cool shit" stage, perhaps you are drawing cool shit to make your living, while in your spare time you are also contemplating with your brush?
So, through art...what is it that you ultimately, or will ultimately seek? Mine is ultimately, my soul.
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October 26th, 2005 #3
What I seek is to make people happy by taking them to other worlds and connect on a very personal level with my art. I want people to have some kind of strong reaction to my work. Be it happiness, inquisitiveness or even sadness and anger. I just want to make people 'feel' the art rather than just glance at it.
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October 26th, 2005 #4
Well as far as I can look back I can remember that drawing has always been fun to me somehow. Everything started with copying some Dragonball characters from magazines and Akira Toriyma's Dragonball artbook. It was always fun to me, and I drew in my sparetime.....sometimes. Mostly I spent my time watching TV or playing Videogames, both of that happend in a very dumb-ass way and I just sat on the sofa without thinking about anything, school was never imortant to me, as stupid as it may sound. And I lived that way for about 15 years of my life ( well now I am 17 ) . And then for some reason I became interested in other peoples artwork, it still didn't mean that much to me but I began to take a closer look at all this great pieces and then somewhere in the beginning of the year 2005 I visited this forum for the first time. I saw all these motivated guys over here who seemed to do nothing but drawing all the fucking time and I asked myself why they do that and while I asked myself this question, the desire to create 'art' grew more and more inside of me, it just came on it's own. I saw the work of Marko Djurdjevic, HPX,Foster..... yeah and then I felt that this guys and their work made my hart bash inside of my chest. It seemed that this happened for no reason, it was simply there and it as beautiful. This was the moment when I decided that I want to learn to draw, just for the reason to 'kick some asses' and maybe even for no reason at all. I felt good having some kind of aim that I wanna reach in my life. And then I believe the moment came that changed my whole life till now:
Playing a Videogame.................a simple videogame, yeah one of the things I have done for almost my entire life but it wasn't only one random videogame it was 'Metal Gear solid 3 - Snake eater'. The bad guy, 'Volgin' was his name, I hated him. Yeah I felt pure hate and anger towards this guy and I still do each time I think about him. I hated a guy that was inside of my TV. That was the moment when it made 'click' inside my brain and that was the moment that determined what I am seeking for in my live. I want to create something that people hate.....well and that's not all, I wanna create things that the people love, or are angry about, just make them feel anything. I want to create things that make people feel something, something that they will not forget for a long time. And that's why I am drawing, that's why I put hard work into improving my skills.
A bit more particular: I am seeking to get into the game-or filmindusty to create characters or even whole worlds that touch the feelings of the people that are watching it, yeah that's what I am living for
October 26th, 2005 #5
Gloominati. YES! I know exactly what you mean, and Metal Gear is the example I always use.. When compared to a game like Splinter Cell, where after every level I said, "Who was that random Russian dictator I just assassinated?" In Metal Gear I recall feeling genuine sadness and remorse when Psycho Mantis and Sniper Wolf died. They were'nt just sprites, it felt like these were living people with real lives.
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October 26th, 2005 #6
as a young kid, comics were pure magic to me- once i started out in the comic biz, the magic was gone.
later reenactment was pure magic to me - once i started out in the reenactment biz, the magic was gone.
movies were always pure magic to me - once i got into the film biz the magic was gone.
music was always pure magic to me -once i started to hang out with musicians, learned to play an instrument (keyboard, some bass) and joined a band the magic was gone.
art was always magic to me - once i started producing art for others the magic was gone too.
I sat down and thought about all that. I asked myself, why I developed a love/hate relationship with all these things. I came to the conclusion, that all that magic faded away when I started to do things for others, visualising THEIR ideas, playing THEIR music and so on...
thats when I started to create my own projects in all these fields.. just for myself... and the magic came back...
I guess in my case, what I seek is total artistic freedom, making myself happy with it and hopefully making enough money with it to pay the rent...
sorry for the poetic form of this post.. just felt there was no other way to express an appropriate answer
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October 26th, 2005 #7
October 26th, 2005 #8
Personally, I've always create art for me. (That sounds repetitive) Otherwise there's no pleasure in it. No matter what the art is, when it's done, or even who it's for, it's always, ultimately for me. Whether it's simply drawing in my sketchbook, painting personal projects or working for an employer the art that I create is for me and for the experience that it takes to create the art.
Magic Man, we share a common past. I too am a graphic designer (by day).
I graduated college with a major in Illustration and was excited to enter the art world. I found a great job at a newspaper as a graphic designer and even though I never took any design courses at school, I quickly realized that essentially both fields were the same.
The newspaper was very small, and at times that caused frastration if only because resources were limited. (When I first started we didn't have any photographers and so all photos or artwork came from the writers, which 99% of time were sub par and cause me to stick my tounge out)
In the five years that I've been here though, our paper has grown considerably, and for every accomplishment that I've had, I know that there was huge challenges that I faced to get here, where I'm now the Art Director. I've also shared the experience of clients (and even a publisher) who didn't really care about a perfect design. Your story about the 50% and the giant RED star brings a tear to my eye. (Infact I've instated a rule now that no one here can use red starbursts under any conditions!) I also realize that none of this would have happened if I didn't inject my artisitic style and make it personal. Every single month, every single assignment, I would find a way to inject my peronsal style and take on the subject and even though was being employed by the publisher to design it, I would essentially own it. I never really take on the attitude that just because I work for someone else's creation, that it's not mine. IT IS!
Ultimately, it's for my enjoyment, my growth, my understanding. If it's something that I've created or something that someone hires me to create it all goes into the same pile.
I'll try and write more later, after thinking some more on the subject.
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October 26th, 2005 #9
I started as a graphic designer when it meant something, and worked as a "fine" artist as much as possible at the same time. That historical period was also coincidently extremely political, and I became one of those people who, for better or worse, came to believe that art of any kind could be an effective tool for change.
This is still with me today, and as I return to my own art exclusively (NO MORE FUCKIN' CLIENTS!!!!!!!), I can already see this becoming a major element in what I plan to do. The business side of me knows that I have to make a living, so I'm currently preparing myself to "do something" that will be acceptable to others in a monetary sense without forcing me back into the client/artist relationship mentally. Probably, what will happen is that I will become a sometimes "craftsman" producing one to 20 of something by hand that will fall into the "I'D buy that!" category as a base, with my painting, prints and scupture at the other extreme. This isn't as disgusting as it sounds, because the repetitive nature of multiples allows me to operate by feel, freeing up my mind to explore other things/themes/imagery for the "high" end of my work.
Right smack in the middle is the computer, which will allow me to create "my" opinions/imagery/belief statements and apply them in a manner that will reach more people than the handcrafted items would...illustrated posters, books, and such that would be short-run printed--sort of a "fine arts" as presented by a "graphic designer" in its execution and presentation.
The one advantage I know I have is 40+ years of advertising design and marketing. Working in the field was a nightmare, but throwing that knowledge and experience away completely would only make things worse. So...I'm going to use it. I will become my only client. I will find the niches, the possibilities, and the areas of interest and "inform" myself so I can make use of my skills to take advantage of them.
I'm not kidding myself. I am NOT going to live another 20 years. I'll be lucky to make another ten...but...I WILL use every second of that time doing something that makes me happy and hopefully blows people's minds at the same time.
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October 26th, 2005 #12
Freedom. Yes. Doesn't everybody ? Currently what I seek is the courage to take the leap of faith that it requires. I don't mean going trough drastic changes in my life but also having to face yourself and all it entitles.
October 26th, 2005 #13
Summarize young padawan....summarize.
I have a lot of similar points to make with Magicman and Ilaekae (without their job experiences) and the conclusion I came to for a long time since before I graduated from my art diploma....was that I wanted to enjoy and be happy doing what I want to do. Who gives a shit about what others think?
Drawing is theraputic and like a sort of meditation and is a calming factor in my life.
Creation is a great love in my life.
Absorbing the knowledge I need to create the visions I dream about feels like a great way to waste my life.
The next thing closest to art, is a dog.
There are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine and THE TRUTH.