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    The Big "Is there such a thing as talent?" Thread

    Hello,
    I haven't posted in a LONG time. My ex-friend stole my digital camera and my computer has been running extremely slow (I think there's a virus on it). I can barely talk on AOL/AIM and listen to music without it slowing down.

    But anyways-- I have a project for art history to do. Basically the theme is that education is the greatest factor in producing a good artist; not talent. In fact, I go as far as to say that there is no such thing as talent. Da Vinci wasn't born painting the Mona Lisa; Bougeaureau apparently sucked until he got into art school and worked every day for 10 hours a day on his work; etc etc.

    I say that there is such a thing as natural ability; some people are born able to draw a little better than others (probaby because of being around more art or being more observational when they were younger, or simply they were just the "loner" in grade school that drew all the time and got more practice than the others).

    Anyways, I'm wondering if anyone else has anything to say about this. Maybe a quote from a well known artist? Maybe a quote from an artist here?

    Thanks for any input

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    Well I was a "loner" in gradeschool who spent all his time drawing, and I started art lessons when I was in kintergarden, and went to and art school after high school. talent is a very loose and over used phrase, I hear alot of people who dont consider themselves talented refer to people with skill as "talented" as if somehow they were endowed with a certain gift that they werent, sometimes if feels like people use the word as an excuse or an explination for something they dont understand.

    I dont necesiarily think I was born with the ability to draw, artistic skills are not really an instinct. they are learned. However if there was something that seperated me from my peers, it was the drive to want to create art. I cant ever remember not wanting to draw of paint, when I started i was just as good or bad as the next guy, the drive to want to draw, evolved into the desire to want to be an artist, that want grew to the point where I kew there was no other role for me but to become an artist. it was more an eveloution of passion , than what one refers to as talent.

    as far as education goes, sure its important, but there would still be talented artists if every school dissipeared, artists dont need a teacher and a classroom to learn. the world we live in and an appreciation for the depiction of beauty has made wonderfull artists throughout history.

    ok im just rambeling now so I will shut up

    good luck with your project.



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    yea--what android said



    also --i think someone with less "talent" can, with diligence and devotion, far surpass someone with more talent



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    "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; for the world is full of talented, unsuccessful people. Genius will not; for unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; for the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and dedication alone are omnipotent.

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    Exactly!!

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    it was more an eveloution of passion , than what one refers to as talent.
    I totally agree :thumbsup:

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    i agree with all of you guys, especially about the dedication part,, however i think there is a certian capacity for art that a person must posess at birth that may very well be hereditary... for instance,, a very large and fundamental part of reproducing life in art is the natural born ability to recognize patterns. not just in life but in your own brush strokes and technique. you have to be able to process patterns and reproduce them consistantly. mixing complementary patterns to create an origional pattern is called creativity. there also needs to be a deep fascination and a passion for creating in general.
    pattern recognition and deconstruction is a high function of the brain and some are just born with very little capacity for it.
    like i know some people who were just born with NO rhythm and thats almost impossable to learn. there are also people who are born with perfect pitch who can sing an E-sharp or a B-flat right off the top of there head. how does a person learn that?

    if i had been trained at birth to play chess and it was my primary goal in life,, i still dont believe i would be able to beat bobby fisher. he was born with an inhuman capacity for the game that i just dont posess. now im sure i could be really good, but there is a barrier that i could not cross.

    we are all born with limited capacities to all of our physical and mental abilitys. very few of us ever even come close to reaching those boundaries,, but its those of us who really try who will always be labled gifted or talented.

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    i have heard people say that a truely talented person is one that can work REALLY hard.

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    I also often get the talent argument as if it was a gift from heaven. "Some people have it, some don't." which I totally disagree with.
    I also think passion is a great fuel to learn and comprehend principles in order to do good art. What may explain the natural ability of some people is their short learning curve. Sure you don't need a teacher and class to explain to you what a core shadow is, but it sure as heck helps your progress.
    Some artists will learn the same things on their own, some will do it on benches.
    On those some will learn super fast and will appear godly to their peers, for some it'll take more time -if they don't get discouraged and keep at it.

    Talent is knowledge. Wither it's strick theory on contrasts, laws on thirds or gold square OR instinctive use of colours, composition, etc. Some people don'T realise it but there's a huge load of unconscious thinking in the making process of an artwork. Even when making a doodle while on the phone !
    What am saying is that you can be a scholar out of the best art school of art or a self taught artist that'd been working his ass of and still be at the same level. If you understand, you win.

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    Art talent is your genetical modifiers running you to art devotion. I believe someone can be born with a certain capacity, not for drawing specifically, but with a kind of intelligence related with the drawing skill. Types of intelligence isn’t as narrow and “dumb” and “smart”, and someone creative has the tendency to endure his drawing skill, because is easier for him to get details and abilities (it isn’t “easy”, but “easier”), so is nothing but natural to work hard on certain ability. Some folks might find it easier then others.
    In the other hand, you can also grow some interest in this field due to past experiences and key points in your life that made you believe how important drawing can be, even without the natural presets of a genetic heritage. Genius like Da Vince or Michelangelo were born with a highly intelligence in both logics and creativity, understanding the obvious and daring to create things never imagined. If, in some part of their life, they understudied that political philosophy was more important then art, well, they would come up with fundamental values for that. But art were their devotion, yet they could be philosophers, but not in the same level of someone devoted.

    Now why the talented eager to learn more after experiencing how easier for him it is to learn something knew in this related skill? Now that’s another story.

    Sorry the messy English, it isn’t the same with a second language.

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    I look at it like this.

    Everyone was given a brand new unsharpened pencil to draw with. In order get anything out of it you must sharpen it. How much you sharpen your pencil will determine the amount of different ways you can use it.

    of course then some people argue that they got the 2b while other people were given a 4b and his has a cooler eraser or shiny colors on it. To these people I say...just shut he hell up I was only making a simple analogy! :evilbat:

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    True Story....

    I went to Columbus College of Art and Design and roomed with 2 guys that were both 10 times better then me.

    However, I worked hard because I "sucked" because I wanted to get better.

    The other guys would do an "A+" piece in an hour...
    Iwould struggle all night to produce a average piece, oftenrestarting 2 or three times.

    The other guys partied when I worked, or just goofed off.

    I was the only one who Graduated. One failed out becuase of attendence and the other failed out because....well not quite sure...he just did.

    Not quite sure what this really has to do with anything but it is one of the few things in life that I am proud of.

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    -Passion, dedication and drive are most definitely very important, maybe the most important aspects if you want to become a great artist. That's why I suck; I don't have the passion.
    I have a job that's both mentally and physically draining(not involving art in any way), and I sometimes/often just don't have the energy to draw 'cause I'm too tired. And when I'm too tired - if I then sat down and tried to draw, it would only suck, 'cause I need the extra will and energy that painting/drawing requires for it to be good.

    So I guess the passionate ones - those who can sit down and draw ten hours straight several days in a row and still hold a different job - those are the ones who become great. Or crazy... The Big "Is there such a thing as talent?" Thread

    BUT... I would say that; I remember when I was like five to seven years old, in school when we were supposed to draw things, I drew things as I saw them, and it turned out as people with arms and hands and fingers and hair and.... so on. While the other kids pretty much just doodled without any form at all.

    So maybe that was 'talent'. As I didn't work hard at that age to be better than the others; it just was that way.

    But talent without the urge to better oneself and work hard at it, isn't worth anything, 'cause then it won't evolve.

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