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    Lightbulb !!Peer Project!! Foundational Activities - Learning, Teaching, and Toast !

    Anyways - big news:
    Peer Project Volume Two has launched:

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76955

    Links to Some Other Threads You Should Also Participate In / Will Come in Handy

    Digital Painting in PS
    Bumskee's thread about some great basics and not so basics on painting digitally.
    Don't worry it's pertinent to photoshop and painter, and the rest really.

    New Artists Seeking Help Come Here!
    Looks to have some great potential, just popped up.
    This is Infinitum's baby, emphasis seems to be on drawing, lighting/shading etc.
    Not entirely sure of it's complete scope, however you will probably see me in there brushing up some skills

    *[Disclaimer]* I feel like such a pompous ass to post something this "ambitious" and where it makes me seem like I "know" what I'm talking about, it's taken some balls to actually post it so I hope it does well. Don't think me altruistic however, a major motivation is to learn from you guys (selfish greed by any other name!). So, if it sinks don't rub it in .

    Feedback is vital here ! Speak your mind !


    The Idea:
    I'm a big fan of the The New Media Coloring Book (Thanks Sammy!); I've used it for almost two years now as quick dirty practice, not just of color but of technique, speed, value, everything overall really. I really can't tell you how vital it has been. I came up with this idea with the help of some other members not to be a replacement for the Coloring Book but as an addendum. (Perhaps like a foundation class to help you on the fun stuff? )

    So. this thread is here to educate ourselves, it will go something like this: Edited: Updated Guidelines
    A: The projects will be set-up with a goal in mind, specific or loose depending on the general idea and lesson in mind.
    B: Do the project and create a dialogue of what you did and why. (Try and think about this while you do the project, this is important; we will be better able to learn from each other as well as catch each other's mistakes.)
    C: The Dialogue will be analysed by your peers; (Right or wrong, the idea is to have a reason why and explain it. I think this will be key )
    D: And of course at the same time peer critiques will be offered. (Pretty simple no?)
    E: You shouldn't have to spend a large amount of time on this however spend as much time as you need, give it your best.
    F. All Projects/Exercises are of course optional, have no order, and are always open to participation. Start wherever and whenever you want!
    G. People who are too embarassed to post their results will be shot on sight, you're here to learn not to show off.
    Feel free to make suggestions!
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    Now this in mind, even though I'm the so called "Creator" of this thread:
    I am not a teacher, and I am not qualified to be the teacher. We will all be the "teachers" and the students. I would however like to be the "Supervisor" until the thread gets its roots. I'm going to start it off with some really simple exercises and would like to see others contribute exercises after it gets off the ground.
    For now if you would like to contribute an exercise, could you run the exercise by me with a PM before you post it?

    I think we'd all love if it some of you Professionals could stop by as well, tell us what we've been doing right and wrong.
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    I strongly recommend you read the discussions and analyses within others posts that are between exercises. I see a lot of the same advice being repeated. Read through this for your sake; I mean don't you want to learn faster?

    This being said, sometimes advice or critiques will be given that may be incorrect, or misconceptions; I most likely am not innocent of this either. If you spot mistakes be sure and correct them! Don't confuse these with opinions however, which are never wrong only different.

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    Some Basics and Definitions:
    These are just so we are all on the same page here, I think a unified vocabulary will help with clearer critiques and dialogue. Besides that, these are things I didn't know at one time so perhaps they will be helpful to some?

    Value: The amount of light (brightness) or lack of light (darkness).
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    Synomyms: Brightness
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    [B]Intensity: How strong or pure a hue is.
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    [The first bar is "Red" at 50% value from 0% to 100% Intensity][The second bar is "Blue" at 80% (White) Value from 0% to 100% Intensity]
    Synomyms: Saturation
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    Hue: Umm, its a visual thing just look. Edit: There are (millions?) of colors in between.
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    [Left to Right: Yellow, Yellow Orange, Orange, Red Orange, Red, Red Violet, Violet, Blue Violet, Blue, Blue Green, Green, Yellow Green]
    (All colors are approximate and not perfect!)

    Synomyms: Color (Misnomer!)
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    Color: The combination of all three; value intensity and hue, creates a color.
    I.e.: This SkyBlue (BBCode) is approximately: a 43% Intense 92% Value (100% is White) 197 degree blue cyan. (Numbers and Degree from PS).

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    Make sure and correct me if I got something wrong, and please suggest changes or clarifications!
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    Some things to read to educate yourself:
    An overview of: Value, Hue and Intensity; Color Wheels and History; Some other basic Design information. (Just a quick link I found)
    http://char.txa.cornell.edu/language...olor/color.htm
    Prometheus|ANJ's excellent "Art Tutorial" (This is awesome!)
    http://itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm
    More than you ever wanted to know about light (Amazing)
    http://science.howstuffworks.com/light.htm
    FredFlickstone: Interesting post on Warm and Cool Lighting (Actually, I haven't got it all figured out...)
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...&postcount=373
    Color Relativity/Perception (Seriously this will amaze you!)
    http://www.echalk.co.uk/amusements/O...erception.html
    A Primer on Design (Good Stuff!)
    http://www.mundidesign.com/presentation/index2.html
    In Depth on Colors, Design Based
    http://poynterextra.org/cp/colorproject/color.html
    On Contrasts, Design Based
    http://www.poynter.org/content/conte...=38564&custom=
    Another Color Overview
    http://www.webwhirlers.com/colors/coloursphysics.asp
    Feel free to suggest other great links relating to what we are doing!
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    Project #1- -Project #2 - -Project #3- - Project #4- -Experiment #1-
    Project #5- -Project #6- -Project #7

    Color Wheels and Color Theory + Vital Links
    More Color Theory
    A Post by briggsy@ashtons on proper spheres, and Jaffas


    These are just direct links to the post, be sure and read in between if you have time; lots of great little tidbits hidden in there!

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    Sorry for not being active here guys - I've been busy and uhh out of steam. I'm really impressed with the results you guys have posted, I wish there were more hours in the day so I could reply to everyone and that I didn't have bills to pay and ramen to eat, and that I had a moogle who could create money and yummy food.

    Anyways - big news:
    Peer Project Volume Two has launched:
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76955

    *Think of a better name for this thread if you can... ugh this one is crap!*
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    I strongly recommend you read the discussions and analyses within others posts that are between exercises. I see a lot of the same advice being repeated. Read through this for your sake; I mean don't you want to learn faster?

    This being said, sometimes advice or critiques will be given that may be incorrect, or misconceptions; I most likely am not innocent of this either. If you spot mistakes be sure and correct them! Don't confuse these with opinions however, which are never wrong only different.

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    Project #1:
    Value and Value with Color.

    Something that somewhat recently didn't even have a grasp on is how important value is to color (I didn't understand what value was somewhat recently too...)
    I've had some teachers that say value is the most important element in a sucessful picture. I can't say it will always ring true but it's certainly very important.
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    So, a basic exercise to get things going in this thread:

    First off lets look at the color wheels in the big name programs:
    Painter:
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    Top to Bottom = High Value to Low Value, Left to Right = Low Intensity to High Intensity. The Hues are around in the circle.
    Photoshop:
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    EDIT: Right right, I'm a little dumb here. The diagonal line isn't intensity again... it's still just left to right. A bit confusing still but... yeah.
    Top to Bottom = High Value to Low Value, Left to Right = Low Intensity to High Intensity, Diagonally is Intensity again?! I really don't like this color "wheel", I think it is square for the other modes that Photoshop offers.
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    To reiterate the guidlines: Edited: Updated Guidlines
    A: Do the project and create a dialogue of what you did and why. (Try and think about this while you do the project, this is important; we will be better able to learn from each other as well as catch each other's mistakes.)
    B: The Dialogue will be analysed by your peers; (Right or wrong, the idea is to have a reason why and explain it. I think this will be key )
    C: And of course at the same time peer critiques will be offered. (Pretty simple no?)
    D: You shouldn't have to spend a large amount of time on this however spend as much time as you need, give it your best.
    E. All Projects/Exercises are of course optional, have no order, and are always open to participation. Start wherever and whenever you want!
    F. People who are too embarassed to post their results will be shot on sight, you're here to learn not to show off.

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    Edit: Read this to educate yourself a little bit on spheres:
    A Post by briggsy@ashtons on proper spheres, and Jaffas

    Ok, here is the template for this exercise:
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    In the first blank circle I want you to paint a sphere in grayscale, try and get a fairly full value range, don't worry about getting it perfect that's not the point. I used the selection tool and painted within that on a seperate layer, to get rid of the jaggies I increased just the spheres when I was done.

    In the second blank circle I want you to pick a hue and paint a sphere as well, the key here is to try and get your colored sphere to be the same value as the grayscale sphere. If you need to you can take the color picker and see where what values you put where on the 1st sphere. Now with just value changes your sphere will look pretty flat so if you want to; Consider how the hue might shift as well as the intensity (I'd read Prometheus|ANJ's tutorial listed on the first post if you have any questions).

    Edit: Oblio came up with an interesting idea; If you choose you might also try doing the colored sphere first and then the grayscale. Definetly give this a shot, before or after; it's pretty interesting.

    Once done with both spheres I want you to save a copy as a Web ready JPEG then convert your original to grayscale so we can see how close you were with your values on the colored sphere and save a copy of that as a Web ready JPEG as well. Then post them here !

    If you have any questions be sure to post them here so others with the same question can see the answer too!
    I will post my results in a day or so to give you all a headstart without my evil influence. I think I will also post the next exercise.


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    teach us more sir

    (sarcasm not intended)

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    I'm first?

    My images are below. I made the reflective version but decided that it might be to obtrusive for this exercise, so decided to post a matte version as well.

    I realized tat my off hand knowledge of value is not very good, so when I did the colored version I had to use the color picker in Photoshop as and aid to find a simmilar value for the hued version. This project definately helped me understand hue and value better, and how much I really need to work on studying value. All in all I think I was close - the core shadow on the hued version ended up being darker and the highlight not as specular.

    Here they are:

    Reflective version - grayscale and color:

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    Reflective version - grayscale conversion:

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    Non-reflective version - graysacle and color:

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    Non-reflective version - grayscale conversion:

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    Feedback is most welcome. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steinmetz
    teach us more sir
    (sarcasm not intended)
    Ditto, now do the exercise

    @FrontlinePs.10:
    Not quite the style I expected but cool none the less. Thanks for participating I'm really glad you learned from it. Obviously you did a good job matching the values and I think you also did well varying the hue and intensity. I think you did better than me...


    My Results:
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    The grayscale one is pretty straight forward on the color one I tried to go cooler using both hue and intensity (a dull yellow will look cool against an intense yellow) I did these too quickly I think because I don't illustrate this enough and even forgot to go a little warmer with my highlights. In general I find that it is best to have your middle tone the most intense and have both the highlights and shadows less intense. But this changes on many surfaces so mess around.
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    As you can see I went just a little too dark on the colored one but hey not too bad for eyeballing it right? This is how we improve...

    I'll try and post the next project tommorow if I have time, hopefully this thread will start to catch on and we will have some cool stuff going on.

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    Idiot Apathy:

    It actually seems like we made a simmilar error. Both of our colored spheres are slightly darker on the shadow side. I guess that's something to watch for, but all in all you were pretty close on.

    I am looking forward to what you have next, hopefully some other people will start to participate...

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    Hello all,

    I think this thread is a fantastic idea and should be made sticky right away

    Here is my contribution:

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    I've never tackled a value comparison between grayscale and color before. It was quite a challenge. I definitely assumed that I knew more about value than I actually did. The results you see in this post are a freak oddity that occured during the many trials of this project.

    I ended up trying to find a base color for both gray and color that both looked about the same value then worked in the shadows and light from there. I never thought squinting my eyes could be so helpful. It really does help when judging value.

    Value is something that i will constantly need to work on. This is a great activilty to practice it. Thank you for posting this idea.

    Below are the two 'values' that I chose as base colors in PS. Like Idiot Apathy said in a previous post, PS's color picker is just not laid out well to represent value and color. Or perhaps it is and I just don't get it.

    Thanks again for posting this thread Idiot Apathy. I hope more people will join in.

    -Rob

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    @romance :
    Isn't it amazing how much we didn't used to know? Sometimes its like walking around reborn when I've learned some new things.
    Squinting to see value is a pretty cool trick, I've heard of some artists painting how they see things while squinting first and then opening back up for the details they choose to include.
    So far everyone has done better than me on choosing the correct values... I need to practice more hehe, make sure you don't use the palette to check too much though I mean it's like we'd never learn math if we always had calculators ya know?

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    *Still need a better thread name I say, any ideas?
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    I strongly recommend you read the discussions and analyses within others posts that are between exercises. I see a lot of the same advice being repeated. Read through this for your sake; I mean don't you want to learn faster?

    This being said, sometimes advice or critiques will be given that may be incorrect, or misconceptions; I most likely am not innocent of this either. If you spot mistakes be sure and correct them! Don't confuse these with opinions however, which are never wrong only different.

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    Project #2:
    Quick Light and Color Exercise.

    I spat out some quick 2PP blocks to color for the next exercise. I think all too often we get caught up complicating things that are really pretty simple (but is the process of thinking of it simply a simple thing?) So, something really simple to collect our thoughts and compare with others:
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    To reiterate the guidelines: Edited: Updated Guidlines
    A: Do the project and create a dialogue of what you did and why. (Try and think about this while you do the project, this is important; we will be better able to learn from each other as well as catch each other's mistakes.)
    B: The Dialogue will be analysed by your peers; (Right or wrong, the idea is to have a reason why and explain it. I think this will be key )
    C: And of course at the same time peer critiques will be offered. (Pretty simple no?)
    D: You shouldn't have to spend a large amount of time on this however spend as much time as you need, give it your best.
    E. All Projects/Exercises are of course optional, have no order, and are always open to participation. Start wherever and whenever you want!
    F. People who are too embarassed to post their results will be shot on sight, you're here to learn not to show off.
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    So the idea is to create a simple lighting situation and focus on the colors on the blocks and their shadows. Try not to start with white everywhere!
    I'd like to see at least 2 of the 3 blocks as different colors and at least one of the block's cast shadows to fall onto another block.
    I'd recommend just doing this fairly simply with a gel layer (or multiply in PS) for your colors above the lines. (I know I know, the thick black lines look horrible coming through like that.) Feel free to go beyond that and have fun of course. I added a simple background on mine for instance. (it just felt better...)
    Some things to think about: How colored light reflected off one block will effect another block, are they the same colors or are they completely different? Is the enviroment or ambient color going to effect the blocks and their shadows?

    I think in this exercise the bulk of what people will learn will come through the self dialogue; both creating it and reading others, so be sure and give it your all.

    Alright go get 'em ! And to anyone just lurking out there, do the exercise and post it even if your not proud of it! It's how you learn dummy. I'll give you guys a headstart and won't post mine for a day or two.

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    I'm at a bit of a loss as to what we should do next, is there anything you guys want to know? Any ideas?

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    how about lighting on complex surfaces, such as a figure. Composition might be another one. I'm kinda at a loss, it would be nice if a pro could suggest any helpful exercises.

    Edit: Maybe reflective surfaces as well

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    Hmm, I'll start thinking about how to fit those ideas into an exercise although it's probably beyond my scope. Can composition really be learned from an exercise? It seems more like a lecture thing.

    Keep the idea's comin.

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    Here be mine.

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    Again, what was once thought known, wasn't. Starting this project, I quickly realized how long it had been since I had to cast a shadow. Most things I draw are organic, so getting away with an inaccurate cast shadow is usually possible.

    I ended up locating a light source that would cast decent shadows. Using lines as guides, I then tried to measure and calculate where the shadows would fall. Math in art? who'd a thunk' it, hyuk, hyuk! That was probably the most difficult part of the project.

    After that, it was just a matter of filling in color, applying light, and putting the shadows in the previously measured spots. Then it was time for bounced light or 'radiosity', whatever you want to call it. I ended up just sampling the base color of the blocks and applying it to the surfaces facing opposite a highlighted surface.

    I'm still not too sure about the intensity on the shadows on the blocks though, or whether or not an objects color is bounced off on it's shadow side.

    This was a good refresher. Thanks.

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