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    Why is Getting a Bachelor's Degree in Art so Important?

    Typical Course Sequence

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    FS103 Color Theory
    FS104 Computer Applications
    HU110 College English *

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    HU111 Effective Speaking *

    Third Quarter
    GA1121 Survey of the Game Industry
    MA1122 Character & Object Design
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    MA1132 Life Drawing & Gesture
    MS110 Quantitative Literacy & Reasoning *

    Fourth Quarter
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    MA1131 Conceptual Storytelling
    MA1133 2D Animation Principles
    MA1134 Principles of 3D Modeling
    HU130 Visual Language & Culture *

    Fifth Quarter
    MA2201 Background Design & Layout
    MA2202 Story Boarding for Animation
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    MA2204 3D Animation
    MS111 College Algebra *

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    EL01 Elective
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    GA3314 3D Character Rigging
    HU357 Ethics *

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    MA3312 Advanced Lighting & Texture
    GA3322 Advanced Level Design
    GA3323 3D Scripting
    GA3324 Character Modeling
    SB112 Psychology *

    Ninth Quarter
    GA3331 Game Prototyping
    GA3332 Interface Design for Games
    GA3333 Introduction to Scripting Languages
    HU230 Art History *
    HU251 Literature *

    Tenth Quarter
    GA4401 Advanced Game Prototyping
    GA4402 Senior Project Planning
    GA4403 Intermediate Scripting Languages
    GA4424 Advanced Character Rigging
    SB110 World Civilization *

    Eleventh Quarter
    MA3324 Character Animation
    EL02 Elective
    GA4412 Senior Project 1
    SB113 Sociology *
    SB250 Humanities *

    Twelfth Quarter
    EL03 Elective
    GA4422 Senior Project 2
    FS497 Portfolio II
    SB210 US History *
    SB111 Anthropology *

    FS399 Internship I
    FS499 Internship II
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    I look at that curriculum and all I see are classes that I can take at community colleges at a tenth of the price.

    Why should I spend $70,000 on school for classes that are readily available at community colleges?

    I've taken Calculus and Biology.........to me these classes don't seem that challenging.

    Justin Sweet, Feng Zhu, Jim Lee.......alot of people never got a BS Degree in Art.

    Plus, I've seen people get a Bachelor's Degree and end up in a job not of their academic training.

    Isn't it more about learning what it's all about then pursuing a piece of paper?


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    You so spectacularly missed the point of my posts, that I am finding this hilarious right about now.

    Btw, maybe you'll want to take a course on those so that maybe you won't think that "the goal of concept art is to draw without reference"? Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Man
    Btw, maybe you'll want to take a course on those so that maybe you won't think that "the goal of concept art is to draw without reference"? Just a thought.
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    I agree with you, but we live in a world that people with that piece of paper and little knowledge earn more and is respected more than people with more knowledge and no piece of paper.

    And yes, many people spend years specialising in a field of expertise, then get a job in a totally different environment. Like my friend with a BSc in Physics and now he is working in a bank.

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    You miss my point.

    I can take these classes at community colleges, without getting a bachelor's degree.

    http://www.cccco.edu/find/alphabetical.htm
    Here's a listing of community colleges.

    http://www.coastline.edu/
    http://www.gwc.info/index2.html
    http://academy.smc.edu/

    Basically, I'm researching this stuff and it's driving me nutz.

    Plus this sculpture really makes me leery of art schools:
    Why is Getting a Bachelor's Degree in Art so Important?
    I think you also understand why I'm so angry at art schools in San Diego.
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    Getting any kind of schooling, whether is is two year or four degrees is this. It proves that you have the initiative and the intestinal fortitude to put up with a load of crap, other students, annoying professors that you hate and still fulfill the requirements that are set forth in front of you to complete. Interships which are usually intended to do nothing but allow to experience adequate amounts of abuse for you reach the real world are usually in 2 and 4 year curriculums.

    However, from the previous posts, it appears that you are experiencing some of the that abuse early. CA.org, for the abuse that you are missing in the real world...LOL
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    I've been self-taught most of my life, and i gotta admit i take some pride in it. I just did my first year in art school and gotta say most classes i had were a waste of time. Wherever i didn't have to put up with project methodology, it was the same old obsession with impressionism, expressionism, futurism and all those other currents that basically fought the academies and each other's ways and are now put in the same academic bag. That and and aesthetics' theory which was basically like philosophy only even more senseless and useless. It made me hate art, to an extent.

    Still, it's useful. I've learned a great deal from painting classes even if i still have a great deal more to learn. And it's not just the classes but all the people around you. It was the first time i was around so many skilled people (who all happened to have a totally different style from my own). It motivated me to work harder on my own skills, and learn stuff i didn't know.

    And to point out the painful obvoius, a piece of paper these days can open all the right doors, wether you're qualified to go through them or not.

    That's my experience anyway.

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    Not all community college courses transfer to a full four-year Bachelor's degree. Sometimes you will only get 40-60%, because the Community College courses are more of a skim-over, rather than "in-depth" discussion, with homework done more on your own, rather than in-class.

    Check out transfers before you sing the community college praises too loudly.
    Often, you'll pay the same in the end, and have to take some courses AGAIN...

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    It's all about the end result.

    If I show a portfolio to a potential employer that has mediocre artwork in it, but I scream, "NO! I am SELF TAUGHT and I am not an ART SCHOOL SNOB!! BROWNIE POINTS PLS KTHX!", I'm probably not going to get that job.

    If I show them a portfolio with competent artwork, they're not going to care as much whether or not I reached that point through a college or through my own studies. I can give them what they want and that's that.

    People who are self-taught have every right to be proud of themselves. They do have to work harder than some who attend an art school (and yes, there are ALWAYS those lazy asses who bullshit their way through school).

    My experience with art school was mixed; you needed to be self-driven as nothing was spoon-fed to you and I did feel the school that I went to was over-priced, since many of the graduates went on to teach the same caliber of courses at smaller art schools in the area.

    But I won't lie - a school can and will get you connections to the jobs you want, through internships or alumni. You have to be willing to pay for those connections, I guess.

    But the fact still remains; you need to have the quality of work to back yourself up. If you can supplement your portfolio with community college courses, do it, but like madster said, you risk getting watered-down instruction.

    Just get yourself primed and ready to land the jobs you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSeRider
    http://www.aicasd.artinstitutes.edu/...6&pid=9&dtid=3

    I look at that curriculum and all I see are classes that I can take at community colleges at a tenth of the price.

    Why should I spend $70,000 on school for classes that are readily available at community colleges?

    I've taken Calculus and Biology.........to me these classes don't seem that challenging.

    Justin Sweet, Feng Zhu, Jim Lee.......alot of people never got a BS Degree in Art.

    Plus, I've seen people get a Bachelor's Degree and end up in a job not of their academic training.

    Isn't it more about learning what it's all about then pursuing a piece of paper?
    exactly! that took me about 3 years to get, heh.. im at AAU but im only taking the classes i want, now...

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    you dont neeed a degree. i am a high school AND college dropout, and i do just fine. something you gotta realize is that the only person who determines whether or not you can earn a living as an artist is YOU. a piece of paper dont mean shit. it is entirely hinged on the quality of work you produce. and the only person that can make your work good by putting in the necessary time is..................you.-c36

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    first off, I think a degree only matters in rare cases, and they usually involve employers who aren't really looking at your portfolio. Secondly, I hope you don't think figure painting 101 at the local community college is the same as 15 weeks of teaching from a master painter. Look at community college portfolios and art school portfolios, then come back and tell us how insane the difference is. There are people in any school who shouldn't be there, but by and large it makes a big fat difference. Some people don't need schooling. I did. Every time I visit deviantart I'm glad made that choice.
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    Every time I visit deviantart I'm glad made that choice.
    I getcha.

    I just gotta move outta San Diego.

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    k. um... i'm in community college right now. as much as a lot of people have ripped on my artwork in the past, i fucking pwn this place. no competition. it sucks.

    makes me wanna quit. or like, kick puppies.

    college is an environment that fosters learning, and more advanced analytical and organizational skills.

    rather than try to introduce the argument of 'if you can't pedal a bike, how can you expect to learn tricks? college teaches you how to pedal a bike!'

    i introduce:
    what happens if you think you're hot shit in your neighborhood, and you are, but see, the next neighborhood over has hot shit all over the place. college makes you work along side some of these hot shits. you see what you're up against. you learn the reasonable and realistic competition in your immediate future, and it definitely motivates you. and humbles you. before you argue that OH BUT PLACES LIKE CONCEPTART SHOW ME WHAT I'M UP AGAINST!!! uh, nope. not really. that's a bit, uh... small minded and naive to think that conceptart, an almost hall-of-fame of artists shows you what's out there. these people that you idolise and fawn over aren't the ordinary everyday. your chances are a lot better than you think.

    so just work. either you go to college or you don't. if you go to college, you get the smug satisfaction of being able to wave the piece of paper and open big doors rather than ramming them with a giant, dull pencil. yeah. an HB battering ram. if you don't go to college, that door's not gonna open with a bit of knocking and a bit of walking.

    really the only excuse you can use for not going to college is money/lack of money or... well, even then, there's all kinds of options for financial aid...

    hmmph.

    whine and moan all you want, but really it's up to you what you want to do, where you want to go, and how far you wanna go. you're your own worst critic. get the hell out of your own way.
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    Your "competition" down the line isn't your kid sister, classmate or the guy next door who can draw Dick Tracey just like in the comics, it's the select group of maybe a few hundred people who form the absolute top of the field right now. You're going to war...against the biggest, most dangerous, best armed enemy in the world. Whether you wanna take 'em on with only a plastic spork or not is a decision that only you can make.

    I believe firmly in every cell of my body that I am NOT as good as the guy in front of me, so I have to try to be better, smarter and work harder. When the bastards finally shoot me in the back of the head and throw dirt on my ass, I'll know how well I did by how many are still chasing me compared to how many are still in front, looking back over their shoulders with that scared little puppy look...

    The "tools" are out there. Use 'em. Or not. It's your choice, but just remember to keep looking over your shoulder...

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