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    [QUOTE=ATOUTANT]HERES SOME RECENT SCULPTURES AND DESIGNS FOR AN UPCOMING
    CHILDRENS BOOK AND FIGURES TO GO ALONG WITH IT.
    I hope to get more than 0 comments this time.
    Sorry I'm not a regular here, but I hope to be accepted.



    some constructive (hopefully) criticism

    Your Character designs are VERY stiff and unnatural - start doing 1-2 quick sketch figure drawings to loosen up...you can have the most detailed, anatomically correct drawing ever, but if it has no movement, rhythm, LIFE... forget about it.
    The toy design characters are very bland ...there are a million toys out there...what sets yours apart? Kids have a very active imagination and short attention span, anything short of an explosion these days puts them to sleep..so liven up those drawings.
    As for the portrait - is that supposed to be the cheekbone? not sure...Dig up a skull from you backyard and start drawing from all angles

    Overall, at this point, your sculptures looks better than your drawings

    I hope that helps

    Last edited by Rascar Capac; September 10th, 2005 at 11:44 PM. Reason: addin

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    thats why i put these in the finished section

    Well, dude, thanks, i guess for the critique.
    Until I actually see some of your work, will I
    listen to your comments though. Heres some
    gesture drawings, animals, and hopefully some
    looser stuff to show you I have already gone
    through art school. I already did years of studys,
    gestures, and so forth, but if you can find me an
    employer who's going to hire based on gesture drawings
    good f*** in luck. I'll give you 50 dollars if you can do
    that for me. So yeah, I 'm going to scan more gesture
    drawings and studys tonite and post them tomorrow.
    And I already know about line quality, form, gesture,
    mass, solidity, proportion, but again, those are all
    cleaned up drawings, on top of which I dont really
    want to be a comic artist or illustrator by trade.

    And as far as originality, sure my stuff might look like
    cartoon characters or pop culture types of styles,
    but most the stuff on this site is just bad anime
    ripoffs with terrible anatomy and no sense of originality,
    yet everyone praises the hell out of them.
    anime is ok, I appreciate Ghost in the Shell, Princess
    Mononoke, Spirited Away, and Cowboy Bebob, but
    I refuse to rip off their style cause too many other
    pimply faced kids and 40 year old men still living in their
    parent's basements already do enough of that.
    So I'm trying to find my own style, and maybe I havent
    found it entirely yet, but at least im doing something
    other than an overly muscular dude with guns and
    bigger tits than pam anderson like everyone else.

    so make of that what you will

    and lets see your stuff, buddy, and if its anime ripoffs
    than my point is already proven.


    Trolls, Monsters,  but not Bears,, oh my

    Trolls, Monsters,  but not Bears,, oh my

    Trolls, Monsters,  but not Bears,, oh my

    Trolls, Monsters,  but not Bears,, oh my

    Trolls, Monsters,  but not Bears,, oh my

    Trolls, Monsters,  but not Bears,, oh my

    Trolls, Monsters,  but not Bears,, oh my


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    p.s.

    p.s.

    I'd post more, but have to go out and get some ass, unlike you probably,
    . I dont need to imagine and draw gigantic breasted chicks all day, cause
    I see the real thing on a regular basis. So yeah, this is a message for
    everyone. I love Art and you should too, but go outside once in a while
    too and get some real girls, not big breasted anime porn.

    thanx

    this message was brought to you by the corporation for stopping the teaching
    of klingon and star trek porn cause thats just wierd.


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    you asked for a reply - you got one..and heres some more

    I TOTALLY agree with your assessment of the cliche that is FANTASY ART - 90% of whats out there is for 14 year olds who've overdosed on Anime and D&D and now regurgitating it for the next generation of kids...

    Its great that youre trying to find your own style -I AM TOO!

    but saying that these are finished drawings doesn't change the fact that they are still very stiff and un-original.
    When you put yourself OUT THERE- EXPECT CRITICISM...obviously you werent ready for it.

    AND... I will be sure to send you an email to let you know when I post...I wouldn't expect any less from you or anyone else- an honest crit.

    THANKS!


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    What the hell, i know you lost it man, i know you studyed all you have to study...........but you crossed the line between humility and arrogancy.....


    Who are you to treat the community this way?, who are you to condenm Asiatic Styles from asiatic users who have all the right in the world to do it?, Have you seen the finished seccion????....

    The fact people dont have art to show doesnt make them lie, or talk shit...

    You DONT have drawing problems, but the designs you posted there are to stiff, and is a thing you could work on, it wont hurt you, and the comments made by Rascar werent made to hurt you or for himself to declare himself as superior to you.


    So far everyone is right except for you in your mind, i advice you to see the post, take a deep breath, if you are still mad, take a walk....if you are still insulted take hot bath, and then post....otherwise the one talking shit out of his mouth will be you >, and you will end up insulting people that didnt deserve it


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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOUTANT
    Sorry I'm not a regular here, but I hope to be accepted.
    You've got an awfully funny way of going about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATOUTANT
    And I already know about line quality, form, gesture,
    mass, solidity, proportion,
    Not nearly as much as you think.
    And those pics you posted to rebut the "stiff" comment? They're stiff.

    Also, please learn the difference between the [IMG] and [URL] tags.


    I do like the chimp, though, and the werewolf (even though nobody can see it).


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    Mad props for handling that critique so well.
    Maybe you should stick to sculpting, your drawings are pretty sub par by comparison.


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    point taken, but another retort

    First of all, I am not arrogant, I don't think I'm the best artist in the
    world, and no one should think that way because there is no such
    thing as progress without progression. Take the band Radiohead,
    they started out more alternative rock, and then got really gutitar heavy
    and melodic on the bends, and with ok computer and kid a got very
    electronic. The point is they're all good albums, but dont repeat themselves.
    And what I make tommorrow probably wont look like what I made before.
    I hope it doesnt just as much as you guys do. That's the point of
    being an artist. So sorry to get any of your respective panties in a ruffle,

    As far as being stiff in drawings, they were largely done for an animation
    drawing class, and I was instructed to simplify the figures, to break them
    down to simple lines and forms, so they arent supposed to compare to
    say, Ashley wood or Jon Foster drawings, I have the utmost respect for them,
    and I hope to someday be at their level. But they were supposed to be simple
    characters with simplified detail for an animation character. And I can admit I am not, as not are a lot of students, and recent grads at the level of professional artists. Those guys work their asses off and inspire people like
    me to do the same. So I dont take what they or I do lightly.

    And a third note, I do art to have fun. If it stops being fun for
    me than I'll quit. I'm sure a lot of people have fun drawing wolverine or
    anime characters, and I like drawing spider man, but unless you want to
    work for Marvel, then I'm not going to copy them.


    And I will post some "non stiff" gesture drawings tomorrow.

    And on a final note, mission accomplished on getting some booty.
    goodnite.


    And


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    Apology to users, administrators of CA

    After some more (sober) thought, I just want to apologize to the users
    and administrators of CA. I love this site, and wish there were more
    venues to show artwork for those not recognized for their talents.
    I know I can be impulsive and irratable, I guess after 5 years of school
    critiques and being out of school a year, it was a nice break to just
    do art for pure enjoyment, and not mastery. I just want to add I have
    been on antidepressants recently, have been through some bad stuff
    lately and thus may take out my feelings on others, but I certainly don't
    want to offend other artists or the administrators of this great site.
    I am and always will be in awe of Rembrandt, Rodin, Van Gogh, Da Vinci,
    and more contemporary greats like Alex Ross, Jon Foster, Dr.Seuss,
    and the like.

    So I will try to be less veangeful in my replies and try to be
    objective about my work. I was just tutoring at an elementary
    school since graduation and the kids liked my art, but I guess
    kids are easily pleased.

    So yeah, I'll work harder, longer, not sleep, and loosen up

    andy

    andytoutant@hotmail.com


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    I don't mean to step on anyone's toes but posting on Conceptart.org means getting lots of critique and much less praise. If it's praise you seek, there are a lot more websites out there where you can get just that but know that only critique and commenting will help you further your development. An artist can ever only continue to grow.


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    werewolf

    heres that werewolf i forgot to post the image link.
    and I do want to do more 3d and mixed media characters
    with photo or painted backgrounds, I'm working on a
    dragon sculpture currently.

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    hey welcome to CA
    all your figure studies, sketches and practice stuff dont belong in the Finished section. an admin will probably move it. heres my thoughts on your stuff so far, and afew questions.

    Prodominently your problem is stiffness in your characters arms, legs, neck and back.I think your best piece is Andrew128Tou the blue figure sketch of the man keeled over, although his abdomen and thighs are too thick. and wow just noticed his shoulders, they are wayyy to far appart.
    Maby bring his left shoulder behind his head and just suggest that it is there.
    the top of his spine is strange and weirding me out too.I think its because he is hunched over yet his spine remains compleatly flat at the top, like he has been folded in half at the begining of the rib cage.
    hope some of that helps.

    PS - you realy need to adjust your attitude a little around here. what you've been here 5 mins and start loosing your cool and telling people off for giving critic that you specificaly asked for. thats just rediculious. seriously.

    I hope to get more than 0 comments this time.
    well you got afew now, but because you went all weird on people i think alot of it will be extreamly negative and not about your art.


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    Your sculptures are your best pieces by far. As for the "They're aren't stiff because it was animation" comment...animation should be very fluid and you don't have that. Even your gestures aren't loose. Sorry for the crits...


    ...but don't be an ass when someone gives you a crit! That bullshit about "Well, I'll wait until I see what you can do before I listen to what you say" is the worst reply I have heard in all my time here.


    I'm glad your kindergarten kids are impressed. They'd prolly be impressed if I pulled out something SHINY.

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    ->moved thread

    you need critique...so this is the best place for you getting help...


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    dude are you for real?! "mission accomplished on getting some booty. goodnite." thats the fucking lamest thing i've ever read in an art forum. unbelievable! who the fuck cares, only someone who never gets "booty" would brag about it to a bunch people who don't give two squirts of piss. so next time refrain from recounting your sexual exploits cause, jacking off doesn't count as "getting booty". maybe you should get to drawing instead... in your case, lots and lots of drawing.


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    good evening.

    I have three main pieces of practical advice I can offer you right now:

    One, is that when you read crits and they upset you (yes that can be very normal), just resist the urge to post while upset. Wait, calm down and ask yourself this: Can I learn from this?

    Resist every urge you have to post angry! I'm sure we've all regretted posting while angry (I have).

    Two, and this is important, this thread is about your artwork. Personally attacking someone who took the time to give you a critique is really bad form. (especially making derogatory comments about the entire forum and its members )

    Three, resist the urge to make excuses, they only hurt you and your progress... and we really like to see people progress here. (its our secret little guilty pleasure, along with vodka and chocolate bunnies)

    And thank you for apologizing, you'll find that if you show a desire to learn, we can be very forgiving, and one day you'll be laughing at this thread and poking fun at yourself.

    ok onto some crits, a lot of it is echoing what has been said.

    I too believe your best area is sculpture from what we've seen. They have the most "life" and feeling to them, and I wouldn't mind seeing more sculpture. Would I be wrong to guess that you really enjoy sculpture?

    Your character sketches were very stiff, after viewing your life drawings I can see where it is coming from, those are also stiff, though not as much as the character designs. This isn't something you can't change, it might require a new way of looking at things though. Its almost like you want to control too much? I think that might be good for inking? (maybe not), but can kill the life out of a sketch or drawing. Try some drawings and dont' worry about "going out of the lines" or going all over with big swooping lines, get the feel of the movement of the piece first, its like follow through in bowling. It won't hurt anything and you can always darken the finished lines, or leave as is, just practice is all. Honestly, I find that making loud sound effects for my lines works well... in other words, whatever works to help you loosen up.

    Those hand studies aren't pretty good, the top one has something really funky going on with the wrist, it looks a bit too skinny and straight for the hand.

    Thats all for now, take care and ... never stop learning

    oh and couldn't resist "...but I guess kids are easily pleased."
    Yes they are, its about the coolest thing to my nieces if I make fart noises and act like a monkey.

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    thanx for the criticism, and I didnt mean to be a jerk

    Hey again,

    Thanks for the criticism and sorry once again if I offended anyone
    and if nothing else at least we argued about, something most
    of my friends dont really do.

    So yeah, no more hate mail, I wont if you dont


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    doh! I made a bad typo...

    "Those hand studies aren't pretty good" should read "Those hand studies are pretty good". that is what a meant to say

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    Hmm, as with most of the crits here, I agree that the sculptures are much better than the drawings, regardless of whether or not they are simplified. While I like the warewolf, I think it could be pushed a bit further to express more anger and/or agony. At the moment it comes across as though it's performing shakespere.

    cheers.


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    I think we need an icon of a smiley face eating popcorn, because I'd totally use it right now!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOUTANT
    I love this site, and wish there were more
    venues to show artwork for those not recognized for their talents.
    Are you for real? With "venues", did you mean here? With "those not recognized for their talents", did you mean yourself?
    Personally I feel the greatest gift an artist can have is to recognize the suckiness of their own work. Failing that, the next best thing is to have other people point it out. What does recognition of current talents matter on the path to improve?

    If you take some sketches and put a fancy border around them with the title "character designs", people are going to assume those are the best you are capable of. If those then look stiff, unoriginal (do you have any idea how OLD minotaurs are?), anatomically questionable, and one is cut in half (inevitably leading to the assumption that the legs were just too horrid), people here will not be impressed. Sorry.

    Your drawings remind me of my own, some twenty years ago. I think that any improvement I made was mostly due to doing lots and lots of figure studies, but more importantly due to never being satisfied, or thinking I deserved "recognition for my talents". Think of why you want to be an artist. For the recognition? For the big breasted babes that throw themselves at the feet of successful artists? Or do you want to tell people something through your art?


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    Quote Originally Posted by perryarts
    I think we need an icon of a smiley face eating popcorn, because I'd totally use it right now!
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    I've already said my piece but damn that is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOUTANT
    p.s.

    I'd post more, but have to go out and get some ass, unlike you probably,
    . I dont need to imagine and draw gigantic breasted chicks all day, cause
    I see the real thing on a regular basis. So yeah, this is a message for
    everyone. I love Art and you should too, but go outside once in a while
    too and get some real girls, not big breasted anime porn.

    thanx

    this message was brought to you by the corporation for stopping the teaching
    of klingon and star trek porn cause thats just wierd.
    You're a fucking idiot, don't expect too much with a retarded attitude like that.


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    Magic Man...i am not sure if you read the whole thread??? The lines you quoted were from the beginning....he already apologized and understood what he did wrong...


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    I was gonna do what MM just did had I not read through the whole thread. I thought: "Wow. That's exactly what every 14 year old tells me after a nice ass kicking in Call of Duty." Most of those kids are in a clan too, not me though :3


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    thanx fozzybear

    Hey dude, I did apologize, and stated I was drunk at the time,
    so who doesnt say stuff they regret when they drink. I will make
    it a point not to write on here after a bar again. I promise, and
    if I do you guys can kick me in the nut, not nuts, cause I need
    at least one if I'm to have kids some day, god forbid we need more
    andy juniors running afoul on the world. But yeah, I never meant
    to disrespect concept art, I love this site. I just need to learn to
    take constructive criticism, I've been told that before, and am
    listening. At the same time, I simply also believe if you, or me as
    an artist feels strongly about something they'd spent a lot of time
    on it's like your baby, and if someone says your baby's ugly your
    gonna get a little upset, but I can have other baby's and sure
    maybe some will be ugly, but I'll keep trying... .... man
    I forgot my point.. anyways, yeah, no more hate mail please. I'm fragile.

    andytoutant@hotmail.com

    direct your hatemail there if you have to.




    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Man
    You're a fucking idiot, don't expect too much with a retarded attitude like that.



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    Stop messing around with the ugly girls and your babies will look fine


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellah.
    Stop messing around with the ugly girls and your babies will look fine

    hahahha, oh man, that was awesome

    ATOUTANT: man, i started reading this thread and i started fuming so, first off, i'm glad you apologized to everyone and explained yourself. that takes alot of balls man. props. as far as critics go, i have to agree with what's already been said. keep doing more studies and just try to get a little looser. my drawings are kinda loose if you want some examples. link is below in my sig. love your sculptures tho man, dem are nice $$

    and also, welcome to the boards =)


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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOUTANT
    I will make it a point not to write on here after a bar again. I promise, and if I do you guys can kick me in the nut, not nuts, cause I need at least one if I'm to have kids some day, god forbid we need more
    andy juniors running afoul on the world.
    Okay, consider this your kick in the right nut (we all know creative children are sired by left nuts only...), Apology accepted, go forth my child, and DRAW. LOTS MORE!

    You've got some talent, Andy. If you don't shoot yourself in the foot, you may just go far. Nice work. Glad we've ALL gotten past the past from here on out...

    ~M

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