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    Zebz's Sketchbook: One more update for the road... 1/8/09

    CHECK THE END OF THE THREAD FOR RECENT STUFF!

    Long time no see my fellow Concept Art-ers! It's been a mighty long while since I've posted anything on this beloved site due to lack of internet and scanning capabilities but alas, here I am! I've returned! I've started a completely new thread because my old website/server is going to be shutting down and eventually all of those files will be lost to the net for good. You can still access my old sketchbook for quite some time at least. I'm just going to start storing these new files on a new area of the server. So rather than change all the addresses and everything... we'll just let those posts fall into the depths of oblivion. Plus I think it's about time for a fresh start, my drawings are finally starting to move in new directions a bit so maybe it's time anyhow for a new thread. Eh, if you're new to my SB than you'll come to quickly discover just how much of a rambler I am. I apologize in advance!

    Lots of exciting new things going on in life these days but I'll spare the update for another post down the road when I have a bit more time on my hands. 'Till then I'll just let the art speak for itself. I've slacked pretty hard this summer and have allowed a lot of stuff distract me but I'm getting back on the horse just in time for the semester to start. One problem I've run into is this new sketchbook I've bought and been using. I like it but it's 11 X 17 and I can't scan it all. That's why quite a few of these will seem cut off or digi-photoed. The camera sucks at taking pics of the drawings, especially the pencil ones. So if anyone has any sort of advice on the matter than hook me up. On with the update... if any of this crap needs explanation than just ask away. Take 'er easy. God bless.

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    good stuff... i really like the bigfoot dude. dragon is cool too. you should post it in the dragon thread if you havent already.

    that first monkey looks a little too smart for his own good though......."get your paws off me.........." (you know the rest)
    where's charlton heston when you need him?

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    great update man. Really dig that dude's jacket, the guy that's gettin rejected. I can relate to that too.

    Look forward to more frequent updates!



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    This stuff's awesome. How much is straight from your head? I dig the Ralph Steadman like dirty inking style. My only criticism is every hand is either hidden or unfinished.

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    nice book. Your rendering is great, I especially like the second one with the halo kid. Got a great vibe. Constructive crit would be to tighten up your faces a bit... some of them feel a little over-worked... though others are great. Skull guy in the last pic is awsome as well. I'll be watching.

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    Hi

    I like the renderings and designs I think it's not very easy to work with ink but you did a very good job!

    Keep posting!

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    holy cow!~! great stuff man.. i like the animal looking characters the most.. you seem to have a real nack for the hair and stuff.. nice renders.. good sense of value.. i hope to see tons more!!

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    Wb man! Happy new sb.

    I friggin love the all the inky goodness. It's dirty, but a very clean sort of dirty. The monk guy w/ the halo is just about perfect linework-wise. Awesome.

    Stick around, it's great to have you back.

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    Hey, we've got a healthy bit of replies here! Thanks for the support!

    Melvin: Thanks for the comments, bro. I'm sorry you're a bit distressed about the monkey. We all have our quirks, I suppose. Beware. He's whispering things into my ear about bunnies and meat grinders. It's late. Forgive me. I'm so tired.

    Hito: Stop playin' like you're not the freakin' ladies man. 8)

    armando: Thanks for the post, man. Everything in that first post is random crap from my disillusioned head besides the first monkey pic which I used ref for. But I pretty much diverted a bit from the original image. And you're right when you speak of hands. I hate them. I need to do some studies. Thanks for the challenge. I owe it to myself. I'm just to lazy to sit and do it. I will tho, I promise! Thanks again!

    Ferg: I agree. I tend to overwork most of what I draw. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I've been working on faces more and more. I loved drawing them for some reason. My anatomy and drawing overall feels fairly stiff so I want to address those issues as well. Thanks for the post though! I appreciate the compliments! I'm glad you like what you see!

    GunTrouver: Thanks, man. I'm trying.

    vigostar: Gracias. Sometimes I overdue the value and stuff but I like to get lost in rendering a subject. And with that comes the risk of rendering it to death. I'm going to start trying to speed render, like throw the values down and see where that gets me. Stay tuned!

    Craig: You can just shut up! You're thread rocks me so hard, bro. You've grown leaps and bounds, dude. I can't believe you're even posting in here. Ha! YOU KEEP IT UP! Got it?! Hopefully I can devote the sort of time to my art that you do. I'm too sleepy right now tho.

    Alright, I did some drawing today but I'm to lazy to scan it all so here's a little page of doodles I scanned in yesterday. Everything from my head except the girl in the lower right which I drew from life. I did capture a bit of her likeness I think. She liked it alright. Sorry that all I have are more crappy pen doodles. Hopefully we'll have better stuffz later. Thanks for lookin' guys. God bless.

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    Hey man things are looking up, I can see
    a whole lot of improvment since the last thread
    ill give ya a more in deep coment later, Im too bussy
    right now, but I wanted the subscription

    Keep it up, its good to have you back!!!

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    Good start here, just keep the ball rollin'!

    ps- love your avatar

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    nice work man, your rendering style is really loose and cool, nice nice. your faces in that guy look familiar, is it the same character?

    p.s get some sleep heheheheh

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    Very nice renderings - and all with pen, eh? Do you do any sort of construction lines first, or just have a ball? I would like to see some action poses...pretty please? I think they'd be rockin' with that style of inking.

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    Hey everyone, thanks for the comments once again. It's very much appreciated. I'll go ahead and issue out the responses...

    Max: Thanks, bro. It's good to be back in rotation. I'll be lookin' forward to your critz and comments. Always educational, my man. You keep yours up too! It's lookin' freakin' amazing these days.

    Mr. Blonde: Thanks. And I'm glad I could brighten your day with a little Bob Ross. He's like the God of Painting. Mad props. lol

    Rod: Thanks, dude. Did you give me a compliment in there? Ususally you're pretty critical! Ha! Just kidding around, bro. I'm growing a bit, I think. And no, it's not a character... I'm just used to drawing the same guy over and over. lol I need to work on variation. It's just what happens to me after doing to many studies. Always some sort of negative in there. I'll work on that. Thanks for stoppin' by! You're lookin' great as well!

    Teigrob: Great to have you stop in! I'm glad you've enjoyed lookin' around. Not all of those are pen but most are ballpoint. I love to build my renders and it takes some time. The ballpoints do quite well for that sort of thing. And I guess I sort of do construction lines but their usually just formed by my playing around with shapes and stuff sort of developing. I'm trying to loosen up more and do that sort of thing more because it comes so less natural to me. Slowly I think I'm gettin' better tho. We'll see. And yea, I need more action type stuff. My work is so stiff it hurts to look at it. Any ideas on how to loosen up? I am working on it. It's a struggle. I always seem to tighten up and then over work things to death. I suck. All in time.

    Ok, here's to another update of doodles. That's all I've really been doing lately. Nothing to great. Hope it will sufice as a CA offering. I've been trying to do little figures to try and get myself to loosen up and draw the full figure. I seldom do. We've got a hand or two in there as well.

    Doodles I was talkin' bout.. random crap with the ballpoint...


    Sketches all from resources found in some of my pics (My friend Chris and Don and my girlfriend, Sarah) and the naked chic was from the net. I was trying to just to outline the face in a planar sort of way, I guess. Like trying to find the shadows and the lines of those places just in line... I dunno. It's late. Someone explain this for me. lol These are pretty quick and rough.


    Some of those figure doodles... I suck at these... their so stiff... I hate me.


    A page I'm currently working on. Thought it might give an indication as to how I work. I'm looking to actually slam this page with graphite and finish it completely. There are some errors (the guys eyes for example) that I'll need to fix. But this process ususally takes some time for me, like rendering it all out. I like to just sit and watch movies and casually build the values. This is only a portion of the page because my sketchbook is too big. More on that later...


    And now for my scanner complaint. Here are a couple pages to give ya'll an idea of how much you're missing out on when I scan stuff in. But as you can see the digi pics blow. But the sketchbook is 11X17 and the scanner is pretty much the standard size. So we loose a bit. But here's a few snaps of what some of this stuff looks like in real life, I guess.



    That's it for me. Hopefully we'll have more digital oriented stuff. My Wacom is gathering serious dust. I'm also thinking about some ideas for children's book type stuff so we'll see if I ever get around to workin' that sort of stuff out. Have a good one! Thanks for lookin'. God bless.

    ~Ryan

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    hey, dude... nice update... I have been wanting to try out that style that has just a splash of colors... as you know im a big fan of the mighty pen..! anyways.. roller pen is quite difficult to work with.. i have tried and failed miserabley but, with hard work and dedication im sure it would happen for you.. keep up the nice work..

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    i love the dragon with the house on her back

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    Great stuff dude!

    I really like your figure studies......i don't think they look stiff at all. You larger peices somethimes can, but that can only be changed through practice.

    I'd like to see you put some of these characters together in a scene or interacting with each other. It's something i personally find pretty difficult.

    Oh and i really like the guy with the sword and the gun on his back

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    Great work here..and it really looks like a lot of love went into these sketches.
    You render really well - and I really liked the splashed color effect over your inks as well.
    If I had one crit...it would be definetly faces. I think that's your weakpoint right now. The faces are looking all kind of the same...same structure...same expression...mix it up a bit. Try using some reference too...even if you completely distort the fucker.
    Otherwise, great start to this sketchbook...I'll be back for sure!

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    its great to see you post again man !!

    major progress since the last stuff i saw!

    more more

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    Thanks again for all the comments! It's always great to hear people's responses. I appreciate ya'll taking the time to drop a line.

    Vigo: The pen is mucho nice. I like it very much. It takes quite a bit of time to render and layer with a ballpoint but the result is so sketchy and beautiful, is it not? I'm glad my stuff is inspiring you to try some experiments as well! Keep gettin' 'er done.

    rewind: Good. I'm glad you like it.

    Mull77: Thanks for the encouragment. Yea, figures interacting with others is tough stuff but your right. I need to make a list of priorities when I draw. That's on of 'em. I'll see what I can do about it in the next few batches I cook up. I'm glad you liked what you saw!

    loomer: Thanks! Yea, I see that problem as well. Maybe I need to just make a page of various heads with distorted proportions or something. I can do it. I just know I've been sort of stagnant lately. I always felt like I could draw heads/faces decently well. But you're right. Their all looking alike these days. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for giving me another goal to shoot for! See ya around!

    hurri: Thanks, bro. Your wish is my command.

    Not a huge update but an update none the less. I tried to finish up that penciled up page today but I think I'm tired of doodlin' on it. Ha! It's not completed in several areas as you'll see and it's still rough in a few as well but I got my ideas across so that's enough for me for now. I really like the image of the boy with the bull/ox type thing. I think it has possibilites as a larger painting. I think I may do s'more work with that one sometime. I dunno, I just like it for some reason. It's too dark now but I think with the right colors and maybe some work on the faces, etc. it might turn out quite well. I'm also including a little snippet of the girls face from the corner. The scanner keeps cutting her off and my friend said that was his fav part of the page so I wanted to include it.



    Welp, I fell asleep tonight for like 2 hours so I'm fairly rested for a bit of drawing and painting tonight. We'll see how I do. One cup of coffee down. Three or four to go yet. Maybe we'll have another update by the nights end! And I'm hopin' it's all Wacom, baby! God bless. And thanks for lookin'.

    ~Ry

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    I really love all the contrast in your drawings. Only things I noticed is that your eyes for your people tend to be very far apart and the guys wrist could use more definition. Overall great work though , like your concepts and use of shadows,

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    I love your art, so quit apologizing for it cuz your pissing me off! You were complaining about your drawings looking stiff, here are all the ways I know of to add dynamism:

    Make use of picture gravity. There's a picture of a guy winding up for a pitch(8/23), he's standing straight up like this I. Tilt him like this /, stick his back side out forward and throw his arms far back. I got this idea from "Picture This: How Pictures Work". The shape you're making is a tilted triangle, and since a triangle can't balance on it's side it looks like it should tip forward.

    This next idea is related, got it from "The Animator's Survival Kit". It's called anticipation, basically just means that before an action is performed there is an action in the opposite direction which means: Before we jump we crouch, before we throw a ball we wind up.

    Next I would call cause and effect: Check this website http://www.bpib.com/illustrat/kley.htm. Disney stole there style from Heinrich Kley. Look at the picture of the parent monkey and kid monkey. Parent's got their tail up raised to whip the kid and he's crying. Look at the loop of action created, you start with whipping tail, then follow the eyes to kid's rear, then to his face and back up to the tail, he's being whipped continuously. They use this in comic books too, where you see someone who's COMPLETED throwing a punch then the other guy falling back.

    Action performed from left to right is read faster than right to left.

    Another thing to realize is that we use our arms, hands and legs to maniputlate things and ourselves. If you don't draw these parts then there can be no action.

    For there to be action something must be done. Think up reasons for people to do something. The reason the drawings look stiff from 8/23 is because they're not doing anything. A guy has his arm out, why? A guy with arms overhead, why? Someone's kicking, Why?

    Man, you'd be perfect for childrens books, your style kinda reminds me of those Scary Story books. Shit, I was supposed to study hands but now it's too late. Keep drawing and updating!

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    DeNyed: Thanks for the comments. Are the eyes too far apart? I'm gonna have to do some research. I thought I was gettin' slightly better with that sort of crap. Thanks for pointing it out!

    armando: Holy crap! What a great crit/comment! Dude, I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out. And yea, you're right. It's late and I have anatomy drawing tomorrow at 9 AM so I won't try and comment to much on what you've said now because I can barely comprehend what I'm doing at the keyboard. lol But I'm gonna digest it tomorrow evening and hopefully start applying. I get the gist of what you're saying tho. I guess I just need help getting ideas for what sort of action poses to draw, etc. Here's to loosenin' up! Thanks a ton. And I'm glad you like my art. It means a great deal to me that someone thinks some of this crap is acutally decent. And yea, actually, I'd like to work on some children's books sometime soon. Did I mention that in an earlier post? I think so. Oh well. Thanks again. Do you have a thread I can check out with your stuff? I hope you stick around. You're freakin' helpful. Ha!

    Ok, so I've been hyped up on coffee and in between phone calls with my girlfriend and trying to figure out stuff for college tomorrow I worked on these paints with my Intuos. I have no clue what I'm doing with a tablet so be warned. Plus, the first I sort of ran out of juice and it's incomplete in many places. But I'm so slow at digi-painting it sucks. But the second one turned out kind of neat. Too busy though. Just experimenting to see what I can do. I'd like to get better with my color/paint work since I have no eye for it now. Here's the crap for ya'll. The first is the boy/bull sketch attempted to be colored. The second is just random. Both are Photoshop. Critz and comments appreciated.



    Tomorrow I start my second day of my Senior year at Uni. I have almost all drawing classes this semester as that's my degree. I'm so pumped to have a drawing class with one instructor, I actually started earlier today (ok, yesterday now) and I'm so in awe of this dude. Check out his stuff and tell me you wouldn't want to learn from this guy! (www.victorwang.net) God willing I'm gonna improve a ton this semester. I'm going to be drawing tons, that's certain. Eh, bed is calling. Thanks for droppin' in. I've gotta get my sleep schedule back in order.

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    Yo ZebzFree I see you have been loaded with critics and advise,
    heck I think I just picked up sum good advice from the critic
    armado did of you work good stuff.

    Your doing lost of improvement lately, you shading is
    becoming more and more solid on you ballpoint sketchs and
    you full body figures are looking more and more losse and
    natural.

    Im reall blow away by this one

    sb1.gif

    great sence of bluk and the expresion, the material of the sword
    and furr of the ape are spot on, way to GO man!!!

    My personal nick picks

    You still aligning most of your eyes on line, and that flattens most
    of your faces rember that everything is realted to a horizon and
    vanishing point hence the eyes should be on cilinder on perspective,
    your 3/4 view heads do show a great deal of volumen but the
    frontal views become very flat (I have lots of trouble doing
    straight frotal portraits as well ) this one is a a good
    example of what i mean:

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    The bull´s head look 2D I asume that you did not maked
    a geometric construccion with basic shapes to alocate
    the bulls features, and the boys head looks flat as well,
    the snout of the bull should be upper, if the kid is below the
    horizon too we sould be able to see his legs and for that
    matter the top of the bulls body as well, right now
    you are using a supeposition of planes to generate
    a sence of deep but its not working because of all the
    perspective inconsistencies.

    Lighting is too soft and disperce as well, pick a light
    source and put some good deep darks on you paitings
    (I have tons of trouble with this same issue
    Im a cronic soft shader, but we must loss the fear
    to add sum good contrast )

    You place the eyes the nose and the mouth to close to
    the center of you faces in most of your drawings, Im
    aware that people have diferent distances on thier face
    features but you do this in all most all of them,
    the features should divide the head in 1/3 form the
    top of the head to the beginig of ey brows, 1/3 from the
    eyeborw to the nose and 1/3 from the nose to the chin,
    appy this formula of standard head creation to your heads
    and you will see what I mean.

    Thats all I got for now, again this are the same things
    I keep repeating to my self and I might be wrong in more
    that one thing so do take my advise with a sack of salt

    Keep droping the goods and keep the studing fun UP!!!

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    Nice stuff Zebz. I spot some anatomy flaws but nothing you cant work out with time. Like the last one - it's very graphic. Try maybe cleaning it up a bit.

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    Whoa man! I´love to look through your sketchbook irl. I can imagine it would be amazing! Great stuff here! Keep posting mate!

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    Max: I'm really glad you're seeing some progression. It's really been encouraging the past few months to create works that I feel somewhat happy with. I'm still longing for that fluidity and movement. But hopefully we'll ditch the static image trend sometime soon. Thanks for the critz as well. I'm really trying to make myself think about some of the things you and others have mentioned. I hope it shows, at least a bit! I'll keep pushin' on! You do the same, dude. Have a great time in Prague. I hate you for goin' without me. Just kiddin'. More power to ya. Throw back a couple for me.

    Thirdeye: Thanks for the comments and crits! I appreciate 'em a lot. Yea, I have an anatomy class this semester and it's supposedly going to be the hardest class I've had in college according to my professor and fellow students so we'll see if that clears up some of my problems. It's nice to have a class devoted to studying things I'm too lazy to usually study. Hopefull that class will kick my stuff up a notch. And glad you like the last one. I agree it's messy. I always over do it. lol I'll see if I can do s'more. You keep workin' hard to! You've got a great thread over there.

    Flakpost: Thanks, man. It's not that great to look at in real life anyhow. My classmates don't seem all that impressed. Keep up the work on yer end too, man. You'll get there.

    Alright, I've been lazy with school starting back up. I don't have much to show for it really. I've been doodlin' mostly since I have 3 drawing classes that pretty much have been takin' the drawing out of me. But I'm trying to stay productive. I'll give ya a taste. I've got a lot of mindless doodles and crap I'm not posting but I don't think anyone would really want to see that sort of junk so here's a few things that seemed interesting. Thanks for keepin' up.

    Max... you ordered some eyes studies and I think I'm starting to understand what you said about them curving around the head like a cylinder. Some of the faces worked better than others. I still need more variation in my faces. I need to do more eyes studies as well. But this one really helped. I noticed an improvment almost immidately when I figured it out. lol it's like a light just popped on! Thanks, Max!


    I've been doodlin' a lot more than anything, trying to do the whole figures and crappy gestures of people from life and such. I'm really into the pen with these sorts of things and the brush pen I bought. Kind of fun but I'm really lazy when I'm doing them. The drawings are nearly thoughtless. So I'll just give you a couple to give you an idea. Also been doing quite a bit of mindless doodling from my head with the brush pen as well... but I don't think their very interesting. If you guys think so I'll post s'more. The first is a girl sleeping in my class today and the second is my art history class watching a video on Serraut. I've already seen it.



    Like I said, I have an anatomy drawing class this semester and it requires us to keep a sketchbook just for anatomy and he wants it pretty much full by semester's end so you can expect more of this sort of stuff. I won't post all of the pages so far. The first one is more detailed and interesting. The second one is pretty much what a lot of the other stuff is right now, class notes and quick sketches, etc. But it's helping. My professor told us that most students want to learn to draw the head but he thinks that the pelvis is the most important part of the body. He's encouraging us to draw the pelvis first and the branch the body out after that. It's interesting way of starting. I'm hopin' it'll help me drawing more figure stuff from my imagination. Eh. Ramble. Sorry.



    Thought I had posted this little quick marker sketch from this summer. Thought it was interesting.


    And now two of the several drawings I've done for class thus far this past week/first week of classes. Having not had a drawing class in like 8 or 9 months I thought I did decent. And I haven't had figure drawing in like a year and half so tat was nice too. We've been concentrating on measuring and and finding angles and all that crap. Most of the other drawing are even more uninteresting then these. Both of these are unfinished, about 2 hours each. I'm moving pretty slowly I think but I'm picking up speed with each drawing. I think I'm working out the kinks. Been a while since charcoal. Sorry for the blurry photos... I suck at takin' pics of my stuff. It totally lost all the texture. I swear their a bit nicer in real life! lol Anyhow...




    That's all she wrote, folks. Comments and critz appreciated. Hopefully I'll have another batch of crap soon. God bless.

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    Hey ZebzFree,
    That is some really great studies. Quite Inspiring. I'll go hit my skethbook!

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    welcome back zebz

    you got some great sketchies in here, i heart 'nanas made me smile

    as for crits some of your faces seem to have lots of space in the middle, dunno if u mean to do that or not

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    Hey... thanks for the comments and critz. Glad you liked it Neo. Arg, good to see you too, bro! Keep your stuff up! You're lookin' great! I've been makin' all sorts of facial mistakes. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the help!

    I woke up late and ended up missing class and decided to just take the day to relax and get all my crap in order that I haven't had time for. I'm one busy mug. Also been really wanting to paint lately for some reason even tho I suck. Here's a speed paint in Painter. I wanted to go over it with color but kept getting crappy everytime. I may try s'more of these. Sinix has got me wantin' to get all over this tablet lately. So here's my humble first offering. Eh... ramble... get used to it. I do it often. Thanks guys.

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    Really nice textures on the last one! Nice colors too.
    But I think that there´s a bit too many strong highlights.

    Looks great anyway! Keep rockin´ that wacom!

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    Flakpost: Thanks, bro. Yea, I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to the tablet. But it is fun to screw around with. I'd like to get better so I guess I've got to force myself to experiment with it. I think I lack patience tho. I need to really work my way through these slower. Thanks for the comments. I'll watch the highlights next time.

    Here's another speedy... kind of trying something different and a different brush. I can't really draw well with the tablet... maybe I should try to paint using a scanned underpainting/sketch first. We'll see. Just more crap to add to the pile. Not so good... I like the other one better. Alright. I'll shut up.



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    dude.. awsome stuff... your traditional stuffs are really crazy.. all those renderings and ideas.. the head studies look amazing. Not too sure about digital stuff though it looks a bit rushed.. meh still good.

    yeah, would have been good if you were in Sydney.. hehe we could all go for some sketching..

    look forward to seeing more dude!!

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    You should have made the anatomy pictures a little bigger, I was trying to read the notes but couldn't. I assume placing the eyes spaced far apart is a stylistic choice.

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    bumskee: Thanks for the post, man! Thanks for the compliments. I'm trying to do something decent. You're right about the paints. Their rushed for sure. I don't seem to have the same amount of patience that I have with my traditional stuff when it comes to the tablet. I usually get bored. I'm gonna try and work on that tho. I need to develop tablet skills as well. Thanks again for the post! It means a ton coming from such a great artist as yourself! And yea, I wish I was in Sydney with a dozen art friends as devoted as I want to be. It's gotta be inspiring, feeding offa one another and stuff. I'm jealous.

    armando: Sorry I didn't scan those larger. I was just trying to give a sense of what I was doing. I didn't think anyone really cared to see my notes. I'll try and take that into account the next time. And yea, I need to watch the eye thing. It's something I've sort of just been seeing coming out in my work... I think I'm over correcting for placing so many of the features close to the center. Thanks for the crit. I'll try and correct myself!

    Ok... so I had this really dynamic dragon image in my head for the past couple o' days and I could draw it traditionally (pencil/paper) but I can't draw very well with my tablet. So after about 15 minutes of trying to get the image I wanted to paint I settled for something less dynamic which is ok. I just need to focus on a more finished image. I can't bite off more than I can chew with the tablet. I do that too often. So here's a WIP of something I'm hoping to wrap up in a couple of days. We'll see. I started on it and about 20 minutes in my girlfriend showed up so we watched a movie instead. And now it's 2:43 AM and I have to sleep... work tomorrow... so here's the "so far". Look for an update on this guy in the coming days... God willing I'm not a lazy boy. Critz and comments appreciated. BTW, I know it doesn't look like a dragon... more like a dino. Eh... I'm just learning how to use the tablet people! lol We'll see what I can do about that. Thanks for lookin'!



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    Good stuff going on here. Look forward to seeing more. You already got a lot of nice crits, so ill just say keep rocking dude

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    nice work man really, youre getting a shitload of awesome crits so i dont have much else to add, i did notice tho that this life drawing http://ryanbowlin.com/Sketchbook/sb28.gif
    the face to me looks kind off i think the lips are out of perspective and the nose looks out of proportion or something, not too sure...
    and i think you should define the connection between the lower and upper legs by bringing the knees forward more and making sure that the parts of the leg (the lower leg) closer to us stick out more and the upper part of the leg which is away from us recedes more to give it depth...hope that helps!
    cheers for the comment
    and hope to see more updates soon
    u got anatomy class ye lucky bastard, no excuses bwhahahahahahaa

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    Man! I dont have time to do a long reply, I just wanted to stop by and
    say that I really happy for ya! I mean your having an anatomy class
    I will kill to have one here on my country I can already see
    its paying off your caracters are looking more belivable with each
    update, ill drop by later during the weekend man, in the mid time
    KEEP ON ROCKING!!

    See ya and good luck!!

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    Hey man, your stuff is coming along nicely. Good shading and values.
    Looking foward to see more.

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    It's still too early to comment on the WIP, but I'll say there are two things to be careful of: Right now the monster looks like it's in front of the guy, like it splatted on the picture plane; The second thing is it resembles male genitals too much, because of the ball of a shoulder. So if those two issues are revised a pretty cool picture might come of this.

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    back from the grave

    yo zebz, i logged on and what did i see? a new zebz page...and damnit, you're making so many improvements too. one thing i'm really noticing is that you're making way better usage of the entire page. everything on the page is really flowing together well and it looks like you're not getting quite as hung up on certain parts of the page. although, i think you could probably even limit yourself more as to how much time and detail you're putting into certain areas. your gestures are coming off a lot more fluid and dynamic than when you're filling in and giving everything so much density. when your drawings are getting fully rendered they're coming off sort of rigid and stiff and fairly round, even plump, which is all taking away from the dynamism. perhaps keeping a separate sketchbook of just quick doodles and sketches would be a good idea even. but seriously, overall, this is some of the best work i've seen out of you. that page of the eye studies and heads is really really nice, your rendering is getting way solid on those without feeling timeconsuming. they still feel very quick, and i think that if you keep working in that kind of mindset, your stuff could get even better. looking forward to seeing some more soon, good to see your stuff again in general.

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    fellah: Thanks, man. It means a lot, you stoppin' by! Your work is very inspirational! I hope you comment again sometime!

    Rodrigo: Yea, I'm still struggling but I think I'm growin' too. I try to do so much at once and I don't think enough when I draw, y'know? But I'm trying to keep stuff in mind more often... I just have to develop the discipline to do that. Thanks for the critz, tho. Always appreciated. And yea, anatomy class is pretty tough but I've got it and you don't! I'd better improve, huh? You keep the good stuff comin' over in your thread. You're little sketch group makes me so jealous of you freakin' Aussies. Er...

    Max: Yea, anatomy class has been fun thus far! Lots of work! Thanks for the post! I'm trying my hardest to improve. I've got lots to do before I can catch up to you and all the other amazing people postin' here. Eh... I'm sucha slacker. I feel like I'm constantly fighting an uphill battle, y'know? All in due time... as always. Thanks for the encouragment, bro. You rock my balls off.

    Diego: Thanks! Keep postin' on your thread as well! I'll have to stop by and check 'er out.

    armando: Maybe I was wanting for it to look lake male genitals? lol Actually, you're right. I was thinking that when I was working on it. I appreciate the crits man. I'll take 'em into account when I get back at it. I haven't touched it since the last update. I have a tendency of doin' that. Most of my time has been on other things. I'll get at it tho. Thanks, man. BTW, do you have a post anywhere with your work? Just wanted to see some!

    Flaskpost: Yer wish is my command!

    Cburt: Thanks and thanks. Comments and critz from you are much appreciated and I couldn't agree with you more. I tend to overdue it away to often and just need to speed myself up... less noodling around would help loosen me up just there. I'm really workin' on the looseness... you'll see in this update.... I'm really trying to focus on developin' the gesture and my eye to hand skills. I need that fluidity. But, yea... I'm trying! I'm glad you're seein' some improvement up in here. I'm seeing a bit myself so it's encouraging and giving me that extra umph to really kick it up a notch and work more than ever. I feel so productive these days. That said, I can't wait for your posts... gimme some of that hot sheeet, bro. I wish you were somewhere close, I'd really dig on sketchin' with ya. Someday, someday. Right?

    Now for what you've ALL been waiting for! More crap from me! Things have been going well... busy but well. I've been trying to pull myself away from drawing doodles exsclusively and try to do some stuff I can use for my portfolio and also stuff that will help me develop more. As I've said before, I struggle with looseness and gesture.... so I'm workin' on at, you'll see. Also been trying to do a bit of studies and life work for more training. I'll go through one by one, I guess and say a bit about each. I still have the occassional noodle but I'm trying to improve on many things at once really. I need growth hardcore! It's a slow process but we've all proved that this crap works so lets keep it up. So if anyone has advice, bring it on, please. I have quite a bit of work to do, that's for sure. You'll be able to tell what I'm really focusing on by the stuff I'm including below... just check it out and I'll stop gurglin' at the mouth. Thanks in advance for the comments and critz.

    Ok... doodles...

    Again.. doodles with some gesture-y crap towards the bottom. I tend to not think enough when I draw... this goes for doodles too. So when you crit them remember that I'm ususally just doodlin' and not thinking.... so tell me to think more when I draw... I'm an idiot. Uh....

    Some gestures attempts from a samurai book...

    Horrible first attempts and life gestures in forever... from internet photos... again, tend to not think when I'm laying down lines and it gets me in trouble... I feel like I'm rushing to get 'em in quick and they look like crap.


    Working on figures in perspective and a little interaction. Trying to keep it simple but something I've been needing to work on for a long while. Also messing with composition/camera angles. Need to do much more of these sort of thumbnails. It helps. I learned a lot from this page.

    Class doodles

    Anatomy drawing notes and quick drawings from life... concentrating on pelvis, ribcage, and spine.


    Quick charcoal life portrait of my roommate, Pravesh.

    Went to the mall and did some gestures but everyone was walking... it pretty much sucked. I need to keep doing this tho. I just feel like I'm getting no where, messily throwing down random lines and then trying to sort through it afterwards. My visual memory is appauling as well. Did some with an ink brush and some in pencil. Their crap... help if you can.



    This is an SP I'm working on from life... 18X24... Charcoal... hopefully after some time tonight I'll have the kinks worked out and this'll be finished.


    And there you have it. See ya on the flipside... man scanning and getting this crap takes TIME! Eh... must rest... lol God bless.

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    Hey big update. love the faces dude. perspective.. that word freaks me out.. something I need to work on, you seem to be doing fine, placing figures according to perspective is so damn hard.. meh... love the stitched head. heh

    people walking past.. very quickly.. it is annoying or when they suddenly turn around or shift weight. from my short experience, a pen usually is the best meidum, and often you don't get a second chance at drawing that line you missed so try and get them right first.. meh ignore little details, concentrate on proportion, weight/balance. Sometime you get like 10~20 sec to scribble what you see, so..something like one line drawing..? Form does this well, he's the one line man.. heh.

    charcoal drawing is coming along nicely.

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    Yeah, I have a sketch thread, I should probably put one of those banners like everyone else. Looks like your doing what you need to do. For life sketching it's helpful to have something to test, like planes of the head, all you need is a glimpse of a person to test the relevance of the planes of the forehead, or the truthfulness of proportions. You mentioned that you throw your lines down without thinking, but knowing the meaning of your lines is one of the most important things, it clears up your thinking. Before you put a line down you should have an idea of what you want to draw, especially when the subject is moving around.

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    Bumskee: Thanks for the post! Yea, perspective scares the daylights outta me as well. And no... I'm not handeling it so well. lol I've got so much work to do. Eh. Thanks for the gesture pep talk as well. I need it! Hopefully I'll get my rear in gear and get s'more done soon. As for the charcoal piece... well, I pretty much have been destroying and rebuilding it... see below... lol

    Armando: I know... I'm suckin' hard, bro. Thanks for the critz. I'm gonna try my best to really think things out better. I just get either zoned out or rushed/scatterbrained. Gotta get cool. Maybe I should drink a bit when I draw or something. lol

    Small update... I'm really struggling with this guy for some reason. If you think the last one looked a bit better, you're probaby right. I started in rendering a bit in areas and it's more refined looking as well. But I started that much to quickly. It didn't look nearly enough like me. I think this one is better. I'll know better tomorrow once I get a fresh eye on it. I'm sending this image to my GF too so she'll be able to fill me in.

    I really just didn't pay much attention to the basic stuff at the start and was drawing more from my head than the mirror. I wiped out a lot and tried again for about an hour. Looked horrible. Couldn't get it. The lines were all wrong, I couldn't get it to look correct for the life of me. Took a break for an hour or so. Was gonna go to bed but it was staring me down, telling me to just give up and start a new one. But I knew that with some work I could maybe make this mother work. lol So I took off my glasses and squinted in the mirror and instead of concerning myself with the contour/line so much I focused on the shapes of bright light and dark darks. I basically just took those shapes and shaped the face using those light and dark planes... and it worked fairly well! I did a little bit of line work in a few areas but for the most part I just blocked in some simple values. Some of the other drawings are coming through but I think I like that a bit. So for tonight, the drawing at least looks quite a bit more like me and the general stuff has been refined a bit. The next time we sit down with it I'll go over the little stuff, start refining, rendering, texture, etc. Make it more finished... there are still loads of work to do but I feel as if I've really pulled this one outta the dumpster. lol So just smile with me as I endevour on. I alwas suck at drawing anything larger... so used to getting down and dirty detailed in my sketchbook. Haven't drawing much with charcoal in a while either. Anyhow... here is the WIP as it stands now. This drawing better be pretty cool when I'm done or I'm gonna scream. Ha! At least it'll be something to submit for my BFA portfolio. That's really all I need... something good enough to put in there. lol Ok. Enough with the babble. If you guys have suggestions or critz feel free. I've gotta get to bed... it's almost 4 and I've got Anatomy Drawing at 9AM.



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    Damn it Zebz, looks like you're really working your ass of lately I love the anatomy class sketchbook stuff. Especially the head page. It's an amazing skull sketch and the proportions study is very informative - keep em comin'

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    i agree man keep it up.
    Went to the mall and did some gestures but everyone was walking... it pretty much sucked. I need to keep doing this tho. I just feel like I'm getting no where, messily throwing down random lines and then trying to sort through it afterwards. My visual memory is appauling as well. Did some with an ink brush and some in pencil. Their crap... help if you can.
    lol man i can totally relate...doing gestures from life in public spaces is something ive struggled with a lot too man...just keep doing it i guess there isnt really a secret recipe for those kinds of drawings other than to keep up the hard work


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    ThirdEye: I am, dude, I am! lol It's cool that people are noticing! One of my professors singled me out the other day in a conversation. We were discussing how he worked/started finished peices and sketching and all that. I was telling him about my struggles and he basically said he thought I was doing the right thing, "During our breaks and such you're always sketching. Most drawing students only draw in class and they think that's enough but it's not, it's not healthy." He was really encouraging me. It's cool. And some of my fellow students have made some comments too. It's been an encouraging week! Heck, my GF is even starting to get a bit irritated that I spend so much time on art! lol It's a good week! lol I crashed last night tho. I pulled a few all nighters this week, getting limited sleep, drawing a whole lot (still not enough if you ask me) and last night I was supposed to be somewhere but I took a "quick" nap at 6:30 PM and before I knew it I woke up late for work at 7:15 AM. lol Ok... so maybe I need to chill out a bit. Crash and burn. It's encouraging though. I feel like I've really started to slay that laziness giant. I've never loved to draw more in my LIFE! AH! Love it. Thanks for the comments, Third Eye.

    Rod: Yea... I'll probably hit the mall or something up again this weekend. I feel like I can conquer this gesture thing. I'm trying to gesture full environments and such. I'm training my eye alot, seeing how different intersecting points relates to others, etc. Rather than just focusing on one element like a chair, or a head, or a building... like tying up the entire composition and refining those portions later. I feel like I'm becoming more like an artsy artist these days. On top of my skills adapting, I'm starting to ask all this artists questions of myself and my work... man... watch out... I'm getting all crazy. Thanks for the encouragment tho. We need a good OC... I know I say that but I'm never at the PC anymore. Which can be good... Ramble. Sorry. Keep cookin' yer stuff too, bro.

    Should have an update soon. I'm at work now... maybe tonight sometime. Tonight is a designated date night and since I've been neglecting the woman a bit this week I'll reluctantly leave the sketchbook at home. The things we sacrifice for pretty girls.

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    Good stuff here.
    First thing that popped in to my eyes was your rendering skill. You can really push contrast into your pieces. I don't so often have that kind of patience. Your live SP looks good. It is rather hard learning drawing from the mirror. I have tried couple of times but tossed every time.
    As critics I would say that your face anatomy could be more accurate. If I were you, I would draw heads with only lines without rendering or putting too much time on those studies.

    Keep on.

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    i think your studies on anatomy and proportion would procceed a lot faster by not relying on your excellent rendering ability to carry the piece. get those contour lines down faster, and be stingy with them. make them count. before you make that line, ask yourself, is that really the line i want to comit to? great stuff.

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    So this is what you look like. I was starting to think you were the guy on your avatar (kidding) good work man. Your ear might be needing a litle work but other than that your off to a good start. Did you did some general outlines before hitting the details? A rough sketch of some sort? (I do not know the exact term) I've had loads of trouble with ears when I started and after I followed a private drawing class, I started to get better. By the way what are you studying in? I'm curious because I'm reorienting myself and I'm looking to go back to school in an artistic area.

    Other than that keep your passion and stick to the basics! Everything start's with the basics.

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    Hello CA faithful! Nice to see some replies, thanks alot! So encouraging to get responses in these threads. The more the merrier!

    maknien: Thanks! I really love to render, it's a long process sometimes but I think it's my favorite thing to do. It's just sort of mind numbing type stuff. Watching the image sort of start to get all fleshed out on the page, I really love that. But I need to hold myself back a bit. I get wrapped up in it far too much. Thanks for the critz as well. Hopefully these SP and other head studies/anatomy class will help me a bit. Check back and see!

    antquin: You're exactly right. Alot of my stuff would look better if I'd just really focus on that line first. The gesture is most important part and their inaccuracies can't be masked my nice renders. Although, I think that if I can get the hang of the accurate lines and such the renders will really help. If I can just get that aspect of it down better I think my work would improve by like a 5 steps at least. lol Long road yet. But that's sort of where my concentration is lying now. Just seeing lines and how different points relate. I'm also wanting to think more compositionally since I often just draw one object and then another. I think we'll see some maturity in my work come out this school year. Lets hope. Thanks for the critz. I'm going to be trying my best to apply them. I think that's a big piece of truth to chew on.

    neoknocker: Yea, I'm not Bob Ross. Just a faithful devoted follower of his cult. lol Thanks for the comments and critz. I'm trying! You do the same! I spun through your thread briefly (I'll leave a comment sometime soon, promise!) and it looked quite nice as well. Keep it up! And yea, I usually sketch an understructure/gesture type sketchy drawing first and then just let it build itself so to speak. Like push and pull the image a bit to get what I want. I'm starting to develop more of a style/technique but it's forever changing... all in do time. I'm studying for a BFA with a concentration in Drawing right now. It's more about traditional skills really. Like fine arts aspects. It's good for me tho. Good luck with your school pursuits! It's been worth it for me.

    Small update... kind of a non-productive weekend. Friday night was date night which killed that evening of drawing. Saturday I spent working on freelance graphic design logo projects like this cheesy little guy I did for a youth conference thing... It's an inked sketched vectorized into Illustrator...

    So then, Saturday night I went with a friend to see Coldplay which was an amazing show. I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to see a spectacular live show. It was great. I'm lookin' forward to U2 this December... mmmm... so many great shows I've seen this year. Been a good music year for me. Good stuff. So anyhow, yea then Sunday I slept a good while and did laundry and doodled a small amount while visiting my parents. Now I'm home after a stop at the GF's and tired and not drawing... Like you all really needed to know that. I felt like I needed to make an excuse. lol I guess I could have just said I've been busy, huh? lol Ok... here's some stuff to chew on.

    Doodles of classmates in the dark while watching a video... tough stuff.


    During breaks in drawing class I tried to gesture the surroundings quickly. I want to try and do stuff like this more. Not worry so much about it looking pristine, just capture the thing on the paper... y'know? Trains my eye I think and makes me think more about relationships of other objects, etc. Random. Look for more of this sort of stuff. Blasted oversized sketchbook... wouldn't allow me to scan all of it. Sorry. So it's partial.


    All these gestures had me itchin' to draw something more fun and from my head. I started really trying to quickly sketch out a page of random crap from my head. This hasn't been completely mucked up with rendering yet but I'm sure it will over time. Here it is o far. Lines are fairly light. I used a 2H and had to darken the image a bit in PS. Again, you're missing a portion of the image as well. I think the gesture practice is paying off. These lines and anatomy are a bit better... still needs some work in areas but an improvment overall maybe? We'll see. I'll keep workin' on lines, promise! I just need to have something to noodle on when I'm tired of gesture and anatomy practice... who knows... I might tire of this soon. I talk too much.


    And here's a photo of a vine charcoal drawing from class. We were supposed to use straight lines to basically find the lines in the figure. I started off kind of not wanting to do it but my half butt job actually started to turn out kind of nice. My classmates seemed to really like it. Actually looks like the girl too. Not much rendering here...


    Thanks fer' lookin'. God bless. Keep creatin'.

    - Ryan

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    Lookin at ur stuff makes me miss school a bit. I remember I was drawing and working all the time when I went.. and improved by the end of the year a crapload.. but now that its been a year and a bit.. i forgot how to draw

    Your stuff is pretty sweet.. ur renderings in pen are impressive. I can't really crit anything b/c everything that stands out the most has already been said, and in time you will only get better, especially with all the school work you will be doing

    Do you know if you have to make a 'Final Project' for graduation at all? or is it just like.. regular classes, and perhaps each one (or a few) will have a 'Final Assignment' type thing? Just curious really.

    Cheers bro-ziff

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    Zebz...great stuff. I love your loose style of sketching. Just keep rockin and posting updates for us.

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    Looking good. Keep on riding the momentum.

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    cool stuff, zebs. i'd like to see a bit more variety on facial features. keep on rockin'.

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    Hey man, first time i've been by...i should've stopped in sooner! Before we get to the art, just wanted to say that I caught Coldplay when they were in NY the other week and it was one of the greatest shows I've ever been to...just an amazing band. I also have tickets to U2 when they're in town, so looking forward to that naturally as well. Back to the sketchbook--This is a great body of work, and I admire the way you're attacking your craft. I especially love your studies. pickleyum made a good point about your facial features though...it kinda does seem that the same faces pop up in a lot of your sketches. Anywhoo, keep at it.

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    2nd book eh? don't remember the other but this ones got some nice lookin stuff in it. I like the last life drawing, for rendering life stuff you might try making things farther back in space darker as opposed to only shadow cores, I like trying to do a bit of both!

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    awsome update dude, coldplay???? hmmmm meh I have never been to a live show, I am probably missing out on something.. I really wanted to go and see Black eyed pea but..yeah..

    Love the class drawings, I wish I did that when I was at school, draw stuff, but then again I hardly went to any classes hehe.. wasn't much of a student I guess. your lines are looking good, feeeeeel the form~ what's a vine charcoal?? is that different to willow? just curious that's all. Life drawing is nicely done, the foot sort of got lost though, the hard occassional lines works well.

    nice job with illustrator. cheers dude

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