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    Something I realized about career in art.

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    NOOB!

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    dude,

    if you drive home in a car with a drunk guy driving, I would consider you an idiot. If you don't use a safety belt, I would consider you to be even more of an idiot. And if you get into an accident, that causes you to lose your legs and you start complaining and bitching about it, I can only consider you a....


    ...noob


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    Marko; that was totally uncalled for..
    peterchoi; next time, make sure to get a contract or something from the art director or person in charge BEFORE you start even thinking about laying down a sketch or two. Good luck in the industry!

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    seems to me he was just wenting some frustration... and rightly so. Not everyone has the greatest business sense in the world.

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    Could've atleast given a tip added to his insult.

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    Marko hit the nail on the head. Live and learn, dude. I wish someone had warned me about working without a contract. Only when it was too late did I realize that I was about eight shades of retarded. Rule number 1, 95 percent of the people out there who'll say they want you to create art for them, have absolutely no appreciation for the time, effort and discipline required to create such artwork. They might as well all be the same lame amateur mod recruiters flooding your inbox with "D00d, you hav mad skillz. We want u to draw robots and badass soldier guys with machine guns. We can't pay you but we'll all be rich and famous someday so it's all good"

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    Well Marko's right....sadly so.

    Never work for free, always agree on a price before you start, make sure that contract is signed. And lose the numbers of those contacts whom passed you the jobs. If you picked up jobs from some online ads in forums with titles like "freelance artists requred, well paid" without finding out more from others, then you're asking for it.

    Lesson learned, move on. Life is unfair only if you see it that way.

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    well...y'learned something. It's happened to all of us, and it'll probably happen again. The world's full of pricks, but I discovered that they usually get what's comin' to 'em sooner or later.

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    "D00d, you hav mad skillz. We want u to draw robots and badass soldier guys with machine guns. We can't pay you but we'll all be rich and famous someday so it's all good"

    MYGAWD! Do you have a number for this guy? It's the best offer I've seen all day... LOL

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    Millions of dollars??..................lol

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    Just wondering if it was THIS Mike Butkus.

    http://www.mikebutkus.net/

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    Mike Butkus.....I thought that was a name you made up...ha ha ha!

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    Well, hey no offense Peter....I was thinking the same thing as Noserider so I went googling for that name and came up with the site.

    So at least we know you weren't duped by just anyone. In any case he was PROBABLY exaggerating about the amount of money you can earn. I dunno if any artists made "millions" just drawing storyboards. I mean, ours is a business where we will never really get super rich, but its the passion that drives us along.

    Well keep trying...and don't keep saying life is unfair....coz by doing that you're being unfair to life itself.

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    If you sign with a corporation and they pay you the agreed amount, no matter what it is, that's fair. You made an agreement to get that so much for so much work, and both parties held up their end. =fair. However, if you sign for so much and you do so much, and the corporation shafts you and doesn't pay the agreed amount, that=not fair. But in the end, the only monetary value that art has is how much the artist is able to get for it.

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    If you don't have a contract make sure that you at least get payed per item as it is done. I work that way right now, submiting a concept and getting payed for it within a week. This way I can only get screwed over for one concept or two (it's a slow job ) before I catch on and stop working.

    But don't ever do the whole thing without having a contract, or being payed beforehand. There are a lot of assholes out there, and you'll probably manage to hook up with quite a few if you don't weed out the scammers. Looks a bit late for you though.


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    something I realized about this thread.

    you can either
    1-quit
    2-work harder

    so what's the point in this pity party thread? grow up.

    I self-published a book on the fundamentals of drawing from life.

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    yaaaaawn...

    So, in London this weekend? Go to the National Portrait Gallery, it has the BP Portrait Award on and its free entry, not doubt you'll find a few bloomers in there...Chelsea Arts Fair I think is still on...Royal Academy Schools have an end of year show ya might wanna pop along to that too...and errr....the Church Of Scientology are doing stress relief courses up on Tottenham Court Road...

    random, random bullshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterchoi
    Well, you know...there's definitely a disadvantage being a male when you are looking for a job.

    I'll just add to Jetpack's point.

    you can either
    1-quit
    2-work harder
    3-change sex Its the "in" thing to do now isn't it?




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    Well, you know...there's definitely a disadvantage being a male when you are looking for a job.
    Only if you're an ugly asshole.
    Learn from your mistakes and ....MOVE ON!

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    I hate when my wife logs onto sites on my computer and I go and assume that I'm logged into my account.

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    Now that I'm on my own account.

    Don't carry this crap around with you man. Who cares what someone did to get a job or what you think they did? We're all prostitutes anyway. After a fashion. Art has nothing to do with what kind of letters you have or even your experience. It's mostly what you can do an who you impress. Everything is who you know and how you impress them. The world is not about ideals or the way things should be or anything like that. It never was and it never will be either. Don't expect fairness and ideals and you will be a lot less likely to be let down with the way things really work. You also will be less likely to get screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko Djurdjevic
    CONTRACT!
    Thought I'd fix the post. In the art world, that is a very noob thing to do.

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    Glad you leraned a lesson. Thanks fer teachin me o_o. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterchoi
    Well, you know...there's definitely a disadvantage being a male when you are looking for a job.
    I'm afraid you will offend some female artists around with that quote, same as your first post. It seems you are saying all the people get paid well because they sleep with someone, and all the female artists out there do better not because of skill, but because of sex appeal.

    I wish I can smack you on the head for that.

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    It is a who y'know kinda business, as much as a merit system.....so it's plausible, but not for everyone.

    Hand shake or a coupling....which should I do, which should I do?

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    Hearing about one isolated case through a second hand source hardly proves your point.

    In most cases, I think it's the men who have the advantage when looking for a job (in this field). In a lot of places there's still a lot of chauvinism when it comes to women and art. It's not as bad as it has been in the past, but it's still out there.



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