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your last portrait came out a lot cleaner in terms of lines but you captured the depth much better in your earlier ones. try and find a blend in between that works for you. also when you draw contours, try and be looser, it looks as if you are trying to outline the figures rather than capture their form. if that makes any sense, try and pin point the mass. focus on weight and structure. the last ones read much better. just let go, they are only gestures, they are not meant to be perfect rather just enough to capture the essence of what you see.
Last edited by kawakaze; February 15th, 2007 at 01:04 AM.
I recommend you to start doing proportions study. thats the best way to start. Life drawing is also good because proportions are never perfect. Once you get the hang of proportions you can go ahead and study anatomy.
For your drawings, try to study eyes since they always seem to be off a bit.
Nice stuff, keep em coming!
Drawing Since 29/11/06
Undergoing Massive Practice
Kawakaze: I think I understand what you mean. I spent a great deal of time trying to outline exactly around the lines and that was kind of a bitch. I'll try to loosen up a bit. Thanks.
Pistol: Yea, I do need to study that stuff alot more. Life drawing class is forcing me to study it luckily.
^^whoops i meant to say gestures instead of contours. anyway on this last update i get the most out of the badass robot thing as u call it. its cool and unique but it struggles to read correctly due to your foundational skills. so back to the other stuff. it looks as if you are still following the outlines, when you draw from life, or drawing in general, try to think of each part as a simple shape.. so for instance if u want to draw a breast, its round so map out a circle that fits the size. ovals are great shapes as well to use for many body parts. u can pretty much break an entire body down in ovals if that helps u map it out. think of the muscles and the overall shape of them, squares or blocks may work as well for you depending on what you are drawing. but do this very lightly, so u can use it simply as reference. also keep in mind the key defining points of your subject (in a person for instance this may be the top of the head, shoulders, hips, joints etc). once you have the basic proportions correct u can start going in a defining the forms better but it is the same process, keep referencing what your drawing to other parts around it, think of negative space as well as posative. but the main thing is that everything is done in passes. the most important parts are setting up a drawing correctly which if not done correctly, your drawing, painting or whatever will look off no matter how well it is rendered.
The proportions in the two last portraits are more wellplaced, the outline more clear, though the shadows seems to be a bit off. You've already proven that you can do shadows much better, in the previous portrait, so just keep working. I can't argue with the awesomeness of a skeleton snowboarder.
Last edited by N-I; February 15th, 2007 at 11:00 PM.
kawakaze: alright. I will try that...I gotta break some habits...lots of bad habits.
N-I: gotcha. I'm glad you like the snowboarder.
Sketches 1+4 are pencil (Fun)
Sketches 2+3 are bic pens. (Had it in grayscale when I scanned so...bye bye colors. (Quick Face Studies)
I'm struggling with # 1. Struggling quite bad. I'm trying to get a good realistic view of that soldier kicking the monster in the face. Or at least make him look like he's about to kick him in the face. I think I'm going sketch like another dude under the monster (that's about to get sliced) somewhere so it that the other soldier is saving him. I mean I wouldn't want someone to kick some poor innocent monster without a good cause.
Nice shadows on the first picture, though you might want to reconsider the pose of the kicking man. His arms and legs are going in too many different directions, which makes the picture confusing and harder to figure out. Perhaps it would help, if you drew in some ground/floor. Maybe that way it would be easier for you to see how to position the man in the air, because right now it looks like his falling on his stomach, in the oppposite direction of the monster.
Good studies on the head, if you keep up the effort, your understanding will definitly improve. I like the way you share your thoughts and ideas through the notes here and there.
Keep up the good work!
before going in and detailing faces you may want to do some overall studies of shape and form. break down a face in terms of its structure and the shapes which create it. your front profile shots dont really hold that much depth to them. they feel quite flat, maybe try drawing soem side profile shots and take note of how the eyebrow ridge connects to the forehead and how the whole nose-lips-chin section works.
Same as the others, study facial areas so you get more familiar with the way it really looks. I am aswell not very good with faces and the best thing to do is draw from other pictures. Make Hole pages of faces from different sizes and check your proportions and alignment.
Keep it up!!!
Drawing Since 29/11/06
Undergoing Massive Practice
N-I: Alright...I might finish that picture
Kawakaze: I'll do some side profiles for my next update.
Pistol: I'll do that, thanks
The top left face was drawn from 2 different angles. I squeezed the eye in, in the bottom left portrait.
Nice to see you posting again and drawing again, for that matter. So, why the 8 month lay off?
As has been already stated, keep up on the figure drawing (which you are) and also, your self-portraits are improving with each one, so keep on doing them, too.
nice update. i notice w your stuff that you seem really eager to get dark lines o n the paper. this is somethign i do as well however as you build up your drawing and start to correct your lines, you end up losing room to work with because everything is so dark. try breaking your work down into more passes. i myself have a heavy hand so ive tried using things like photo blue pencils, ball point pens and h a harder leads. keep in mind how powerful those dark lines can be, learn to be stingy with them and only use them when necessary. light lines can easily be reworked and drawn over.
Again, Facial Alignment.Give more Volume to your Upper Cheeks, which is something I also forget alot. Everything comes from practice so I wanna see you post pages and pages of faces!!
Keep it up!!!!!
P.S: I havnt posted anything back yet because im trying my first master study which I will probly be done by the end of the week. Ill post some doodles in the meantime
Last edited by Pistol; February 20th, 2007 at 01:44 AM.
Drawing Since 29/11/06
Undergoing Massive Practice
Hey dude, keep up with the self portrait and observational drawing .
Try and keep your lines abit looser, and try not to lay too many lines over where you wanted the line to be, as this makes the drawings a little more undtidy. I think your improving when you start to handle values so id like to see you use them more, perhaps in a portrait or whatever as it seems your starting to understand the shapes more once youve applied the shading.
The progress is coming along so dont give up. Learn all you can and read all the tutorials you can, alot of them on here have helped me out alot.
madplanet: I gave up for awhile...I lost hope in my dreams. I'll never give up again. Thanks
kawakaze: I will try my best to do that. I gotta break some habits.
Pistol: alright, I'll try to post more pages of faces when I get the chance. I'm struggling with them so I need too.
Mr Man: I see what you mean. My stuff is dirty. I will try to loosen up and be bit cleaner.
#3 is from math class. (I already knew the material from today's lecture so I figured that I might as well be productive.)
#4 is a self portrait for a torso study for life drawing class.
I've got some more shit from class. I left them at school but i'll post them tommarow night after I take some snapshots. (They are projects so I hope they are somewhat desirable to look at.)
the first pic is clean. i like it because it does not have to be anything, its freeform and non representational so instead u are focusing on line width and flow etc. try and carry these over into your figure drawings. the problem with that is getting comfortable with what you are drawing, so comfortable that proportions etc are not the main issue. u are improving with your work but i would also try and break out of your habits by drawing things u normally wouldnt draw. draw big girls, little midgets etc etc, anything.. doesnt even have to be people.. and beyodn that try many approaches. try diff mediums such as charcol or white on charcol paper. this will help you break out of the norm. i think that blind contour is pretty bad ass for a blind contour. do those as well. lots of those, one thing u need to do is loosen up. great update. keep going.
alright. I took your advice before doing the 2nd page of my homework for life drawing, which was to do several torso studies.
First pic is a project from weeks earliar. 2nd one is from today.
Drawing fat girls and midgets...that sounds like fun...I'll enjoy it.
okay so #1 is a 3d rendering I did. I did not use a reference, just a screw around project. I should though! Make a realistic skull or something.
#2 and #3 are blind contours...directly from tv. (That shit is hard when you see a face for only .5 seconds...I think it really helped me to pay more attention and to keep my eyes on the subject though.)
#4 is my Mom from life on top and my sister from a photograph under it.
I typed "fat girls", "large girls", "large women" into my google image search today and about puked all over myself. It was a bunch of fat porn. Maybe I'll draw it sometime...I just couldn't handle those images today...and I didn't really want to ingrain that into my visual dictionary right now. I'm almost recovered. I tried midgets too...I had trouble getting into it. I'll find something wierd to draw hopefully.
cleaning up proportions still seems to be an issue for u. u have the general form down but sublties of things like exactly how the neck connects to the chin etc will help make your work more readable. 5 sec gestures, is genius but perhaps u should also try and sit down and tackle a single drawing in a long session. a few hours at least if not longer. try working from anatomy books, i need to pic a few up myself. anyway great to see u updating so regularly. keep it up man.
kawakaze: Yea I should try and make a habit of doing longer more finished drawings.
They are fairly clean...they could be better. The habit is breaking slowly but it's breaking.
Wow i can see a remarkable improvement in your drawing styler. Do not become discouraged if your peices dont seem to all get better and better, it will come in waves, and lulls - some days are good, some days are bad, but as long as you keep the pencil moving, you cant get any worse by practicing!. Keep doing what your doing. More figure drawings will help improve your knowledge of anatomy, but i suggest studying anatomy from books as well. If you have access to a skelleton, use that to draw all the bones, and pay close attention to the proportions. I am struggling through some simmilar problems myself when it comes to proportions, but if we thouroughly analyze the subject, and plot it out on the page before putting any major lines or strokes, it will help guide our linework towards the right direction.
However, do not think of these lines as the ultimate outline, although they certainly can indicate form, rather, indicate them very lighty and loosely as a general guide, then you can start to really focus on the form and masses.
In any case, Keep it up! Your doin great!
Mr. Man: k, I'll try to slow the **** down lol
A couple self portraits for fun. Trying to do at least 1 a day. 2 more for a school project. The pastel piece is just an idea. I start the actual project today. Oh man, I might be transferring to scad next semester...I'm excited.
u r continuing this same approach in most of your post. try a different approach. i like how you are exploring depth in the 2nd pic but u should try that on a close up of the face and really try and explore form through values rather than just countors.
Kawakaze: Alright, I'll have to do that.
1st one is school project w.i.p.
2nd is a drunk quickie I did of a director. (From life)
extended my nose a bit too far.
u are very "hairy" with your lines. do not feel pressured to define a line or mark with the first thing you lay down. i like the last one and how you are exploring values, particularly on your loose approach at shading. but again you are overworking the defining lines. u may want to try and use a harder pencil lead so that you dont lay down such dark lines on the first pass, this lets you keep your paper workable and room to develop in which u can add in darker passes after.
k. I hope this one is better.
to a degree yes but your techniques in much of the previous portraits was working for you moreso. for instance the one w the headphones under the still life with all the boxes, look at how you used values to pop out the features of the face like the cheek and forhead. the contours on that one are not really the only thing defining your form in that one and the ones u have layed down work almost as shadows.