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April 25th, 2005 #1
Marko Djurdjevic, just wanted to ask you some quick questions about the way you work
I wanted to ask you a few things about your work process if its ok with you.
In a lot of posts there is the comment that you don't use reference when you are working.
The other comment is that subjects like anatomy, composition, and all that formal stuff, you learned on your own.
I just wanted you know how is it that you work so well figures without using reference. The expressions are so... expresive. The postures, they are so natural. Have you made previous studies of figures, I mean, in the past?
About your education, If I remember correctly, you once mentioned you never went to art class. Where did you learn things like composition? I mean, if you studied from books, like the books by Andrew Loomis, and also from drawing from the world.
Originally I was going to write an e-mail to you asking this, but I thought it could be a better idea to post it here on the forums.
thanks for everything.
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all you read about me is true. I never had art classes or formal art education in general, I learned anatomy and composition on my own. The only anatomy book I ever owned was the one by Burne Hogarth. It fell into my hands when I was 12, and I devoured it for a year. Did drawings right out of it to learn basic proportions and exaggerated anatomy. Later on, my observance of life and the people around me gave me the oppurtunity to put a layer of realism above my figures.
I see it like this. I take nothing in life for granted. When I go out with friends, I want the night to be as amazing as possible, because I want to keep it as a good memory. Because if I remember something, I can use it again for my drawings. If I like the way a girl talks to me, I will remember how her lips move, or how she folds her hands together. If I like the way a bum is falling through the streets, I will watch him and remember.
Too many people close their eyes for what life has to offer. They take their environment as it comes, pay no attention to the body language of their friends and thus lose connection to their memories. They take up references when they draw, because they are too afraid to call upon their brain and memories.
I think perception, observation of the world around you doesn't only make you a better artist, but at the end of the day a better human being as well. Because if you learn to pay attention to you surroundings, to the people you hang out with, to your girl, or your dog, you learn to understand these beings better. You start developing empathy, because you read the body language of people, you realize how the lips of your best friend tremble, when he is nervous, you know that your girl is mad at you because she scratches her palms, etc.
There are many artists out there claiming that a formal education is essential for producing art. I say, that's nonsense.
You need to have an keen and open mind first, before you're able to produce anything artistic. You gotta have an appretiation for life, instead of denial.
I tend to see art teachers as car mechanics.
A car mechanic will be able to tell you everything about a Mercedes, he will explain how the motor functions, how the gas is flowing through the engine, how the breaks work. He'll be able to explain to you every single detail of the car, but he will never be able to explain, why any given person in this world drives exactly this car from Berlin to Paris and parks it close to the Louvre.
Same with Art. You can build up any system of rules you want but in the end Art is Magic.
And Magic is real.
April 25th, 2005 #3
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts Marko. That was really helpful
April 26th, 2005 #5
I can't begin to tell you how bad I needed to hear that. So much fucking thanks marko! And I couldn't have said your words any better!
art is magic!
April 26th, 2005 #6
Right on Marko.
I needed that.
April 26th, 2005 #7
The main thing is that you can't feel references (from photo)...if you're looking at a person who's sitting in front of you, you can see how (s)he's breathing, you see his/her artery pulsing or how (s)he moves, and i don't know how or why, but some artists are able to transmit these fine details, which are actually nothing visual, into their artwork...
The quintessence seems that the more senses and experiences are involved in the act of a drawing, the more the artwork looks vivid and authentic...
When i am visiting the zoo to draw animals, I like their smell when drawing them, this inspires me..am i pervert now?
Sorry Marco, if i kinda interfered to this thread, since it was addressed to you...
April 26th, 2005 #8
April 26th, 2005 #9
Man, how can I respond! I've already erased over and over again texts and texts! I just can't find the "right" words, I dont know, maybe there are no "right" words, this is crazy. I'm thinking about formalities, how I should address myself to you, how to thank you properly for taking the time to respond and all that, it seems so lifeless! so empty!
Ahh screw everything I'm gonna respond however the hell it comes out, like this:
thank you so much man : D
That is one cool answer you wrote! : D
I can't believe this, I'm actually smiling as I write this. This is the speed reply, because I just read what you wrote some moments ago. I haven't had much time to meditate on it. But I will. In critical times I have a tendency to recall key things. This is one of them. Sometimes life just spins huh? I just moved cities a month ago. Seems like everything is different here, or maybe I am different. I feel like I have lost track of who I am lately. Maybe I'm just homesick. What you wrote are the kind of things I keep in treasure and that remind me of what I am, of my condition.
My condition as a human and a living being, like all other humans and living beings. You have reminded me of the value of LIFE.
would it be worth anything, to say I feel humbled? in awe, in admiration, in respect, that I feel lucky for this?
I think the only thing that really matters for me saying, is just
April 26th, 2005 #10
you should stop thanking me. I didn't say anything you wouldn't be able to come up with on your own. I just might be that I'm more focused in what I say, because I think about it every day. But that's no reason to feel humbled. I'm no more of a man then any of you. I'm not the next step in evolution.
I just want you to know, that I'd feel much more comfortable, if some of you peeps would put down the pencil for a second and relax.
Creating art is like picking up a girl. The harder you try the less you will achive. If you just stop caring, the girls will come on their own.
I mean, where is your art supposed to come from, when you just sit in your studio and do studies all day? Go out, expierience life in all it's beauty, make good friends, people who got something to say, drink, smoke, laugh, enjoy yourselves and the company of others. Go to a rock-concert and smell the sweat and heat of a hundred people moshing, drive outta town and camp in the wilderness, try throwing rocks at airplanes when they cross above your heads. Relax, cool down, live the moment with all it's intensity and when you feel like you had enough, go back to the drawing board and create. Share what you are and what you've been through with the paper or canvas. But don't force it. Don't forget what life has to offer for you during the times when try to you sharpen your skills. Because in the end, you're just exploring your technique with all your studies, you're just forcing yourselves into routine. But knowing how to render a foreshortend arm, or a figure in perspective doesn't mean you're capable of expressing anything. Because art is what's on your mind and what you got to say, technique is just the groundwork to be able to express yourselves. See it like this, language, the tounge in your mouth gives you the abilty to speak, communicate, bring your thoughts across, but only if your mind is open, you can actaully say something of lasting value, somthing that will be quoted throughout the time. A great singer can have an angelic voice, but isn't it the great lyrics that we keep and store in our memories? But great lyrics only come from great minds or great situations in life. Inspiration that is drawn from the everyday situations we all go through every morning and every evening.
We can close our eyes and say, it's all boring, but it is not. It is what we make out of it. I don't care if I got nothing to do, lying on my bed, counting the flies on the ceiling or if I have an amazing night with friends barhopping throughout the city. I can enjoy both and draw my energy from both.
Just stop worrying, because it leads nowhere and blends out all the good things that happen to you. Accept that you cannot force anything in this universe, whether it's art, girls, friends, job offers, car accidents, etc...and finally feel free and open to create great things.
Cheers to you all
Last edited by Marko Djurdjevic; April 26th, 2005 at 05:12 PM.
April 26th, 2005 #11
April 26th, 2005 #12
Marko, I drew some stuff from my mind today and I felt a security I've never felt before when drawing without copying from a foto, and it was the first time I wasn't a neurotical nervous wreck about what I was doing. So thank you, again. The drawings, I wish I could scan them, gotta find a cibercafe with a scanner around here, they pretty much suck or turned out so-so, some things I like, and others I don't.
The important thing is it was cool not to be so stressed about it, about the result, I hardly draw anything on my own, because like you said, I'm one of those afraid people. Well, I'm glad I could take a few steps in confidence today. Thanks again!
EDIT: I had written this without hitting "refresh" and didn't see the replies above. Ok, no more from me for now. Gotta relax ; P
See you guys around.
Last edited by brokk; April 27th, 2005 at 11:11 AM.
April 26th, 2005 #13
It's all just state of mind. A person draws better from life or from imagination because they expect to. The methods have never mattered, asking someone how they do something may not help you at all. It's the attitude that makes the difference. I suck at drawing from life because part of me expects to suck at it. If I don't force art, I personally will not improve only because I don't expect to. Marko may be the opposite and it doesn't make a difference. You will succeed however you think you will. The only way to fail is to not expect success.