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    AIM Users READ ME NOW!

    Received this message through all hands e-mail today. I use AIM with some of my business partners long distance where we can exchange concept art images live feed to save time. This message is going to change the way I use AIM.

    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1775649,00.asp

    By Ryan Naraine
    March 12, 2005

    America Online, Inc. has quietly updated the terms of service for its AIM
    instant messaging application, making several changes that is sure to raise
    the hackles of Internet privacy advocates.

    The revamped terms of service, which apply only to users who downloaded the
    free AIM software on or after Feb. 5, 2004, gives AOL the right to
    "reproduce, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote" all content
    distributed across the chat network by users.

    "You waive any right to privacy. You waive any right to inspect or approve
    uses of the content or to be compensated for any such uses,"
    according to the AIM terms-of-service.

    Although the user will retain ownership of the content passed through the
    AIM network, the terms give AOL ownership of "all right, title and interest
    in any compilation, collective work or other derivative work created by AOL
    using or incorporating this [user] content.

    "In addition, by posting content on an AIM Product, you grant AOL, its
    parent, affiliates, subsidiaries, assigns, agents and licensees the
    irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide right to reproduce, display, perform,
    distribute, adapt and promote this content in any medium," it added.

    The changes could have serious ramifications for AOL's AIM@Work service
    which is being marketed to businesses. AIM@Work offers things like Identity
    Services to allow the use of corporate e-mail address as AOL screen names.
    It also offers premium services like voice conferencing and Web meetings.

    At the time of this reporting, it is not clear if the same terms of service
    apply to businesses who pay for the AIM@Work features. America Online
    executives were not available to discuss the terms of service changes.

    On [2] Weblogs [3] and discussion forums [4], the discovery of the updated
    AIM terms of service has led to intense discussions.

    "They're encouraging businesses to use AIM to discuss details of their
    business correspondence, even to sync their Outlook contact and calendar
    files, which, according to their TOS, AOL then has the right to publish in
    any way they see fit, including, among other things, providing that
    information to business competitors. I'd be pretty damn leery of using
    AIM@Work for any kind of business," said Ben Stanfield, executive editor and
    founder of MacSlash, Inc.

    [1] http://www.aim.com/tos/tos.adp
    [2] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1770845,00.asp
    [3] http://www.benstanfield.com/thrash/2...vesdrops_.html
    [4]
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    I don't think a terms of service, can automatically overrule a copyright...

    ONce a piece of work is created it belongs to the creator...
    I can't see this holding up in court...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bRyaN
    I don't think a terms of service, can automatically overrule a copyright...

    ONce a piece of work is created it belongs to the creator...
    I can't see this holding up in court...
    dunno about that but it sure as shit shoots any nda or any kinda privacy for that matter straight to hell.

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    as soon as you click "yes, i agree" during intsallation, you're subject to a whole grip of hidden Orwellian rules.

    it's almost enough to start wearing tin foil hats and pulling out my dental fillings.

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    this sucks.
    i will never use aim again.
    i hope you guys won't too. don't support those bloodsucking, soulless companies.

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    found this on slashdot.... http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?...d&cid=11928284


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    by AndrewWeinstein (867439) on Sunday March 13, @05:16PM (#11928284)
    I wanted to make sure you knew that the rumors about the AIM Terms of Service are totally false. First and foremost, AOL does not monitor, read or review any user-to-user communication through the AIM network, except in response to a valid legal process. The AIM privacy policy (which is part of the AIM TOS) makes that crystal clear: "AOL does not read your private online communications when you use any of the communication tools offered as AIM Products. If, however, you use these tools to disclose information about yourself publicly (for example, in chat rooms or online message boards made available by AIM), other online users may obtain access to any information you provide." The second sentence of that same paragraph -- and the related section of the AIM Terms of Service -- is apparently causing the confusion. The related section of the Terms of Service is called "Content You Post" and, as such, logically and legally it relates only to content a user posts in a public area of the service. If a user posts content in a public area of the service, like a chat room, message board, or other public forum, that information may be used by AOL for other purposes. One example of this might be a user who posts a "Rate a Buddy" photo and thus allows AIM to post it for other AIM users to vote on it. Another might be AOL taking an excerpt from a message board posting on a current news issue and highlighting it in a different area of the service. Such language is standard in almost all similar user agreements, including those from Microsoft (appended below) and most online news publications. That clause simply lets the user know that content they post in a public area can be seen by other users and can be used by the owner of the site for other purposes. Finally, there seems to be a misimpression that the change was recently made. In fact, the current AIM Terms of Service was last updated in February 2004 and has been in place for more than a year. The prior terms of service had very similar language reserving the same rights. In short, AIM user-to-user communication has been and will remain private, the AIM TOS was not changed, and the TOS includes a standard clause on publicly posted material. Andrew Weinstein Spokesman, America Online MSN TOS: 6. MATERIALS YOU POST OR PROVIDE; COMMUNICATIONS MONITORING For materials you post or otherwise provide to Microsoft related to the MSN Web Sites (a "Submission"), you grant Microsoft permission to (1) use, copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, modify, translate and reformat your Submission, each in connection with the MSN Web Sites, and (2) sublicense these rights, to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law. Microsoft will not pay you for your Submission. Microsoft may remove your Submission at any time. For each Submission, you represent that you have all rights necessary for you to make the grants in this section.

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    Back when I regularly posted on Gaia there was a brief flap over some bits of the DA ToS whereby DA was given god-rights to anything featured there, but as it turned out the only reason that they had rules like that was to allow them to size images down for use with the galleries of the art on DA for browsing (like the search feature) or possibly for advertising purposes. Turns out you need a lot of different powers to be able to do that, and the way they looked on paper merely suggested something underhanded.

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    cool, thx for the update Jason, I thought that sounded a little odd. Then again, when all hands e-mails go out from our Navy IT's, I tend to take it as scripture.
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