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March 6th, 2005 #1
Mindflaws inaccurately directions (18+) *update august 12*
I've finally decided to keep track of my stuff, especially since I' have a tendency to draw to little. Anyway gonna post something at least every third day from now on.
Heres some from life drawing class that I no longer do... have not enough money atm
Thanks for the visit
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heres some sketchbook drawing I prefer pen since I don't have to care about what to do with all the mistakes
Ok heres a try at drawing straight lines. IRL the lines are 29,6 cm long or 11,65 inch long. I just fill an entire A4 paper. This time I got more than 130 lines next time I will get more lines in there and straighter.
Thumbnail...click for bigger image
The biggest problem with long lines is that I got a tendency to curve the line,
note to myself: Must learn how to move the entire arm better.
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March 8th, 2005 #3
Yikes! What an exercise! Did you have the paper propped up in front of you or flat on a surface below you, like a desk? Propping it in front of you can help force you to use your arm from the shoulder, as can holding your drawing utensil like you would hold a piece of chalk (although, i don't know if that's really possible when using pen). I will have to try that exercise myself!
Your middle figure study has good weight to it.
March 8th, 2005 #4
cool stuff nice figures*life drawings
i draw straight lines with ma wrist..- the arm just supports the movement
i learned them with lil lines not that long ones .. learn them with purpose.. draw cubes.. and try to draw them as perfect as u can -> do one with a ruler.. and then u try freehand
keep up ((( check ma sketchbook )))
psss : draw cubes ! .. i really ove drawimg them and perspectives
http://www.fragtasia.de/bob/2dstuff/_sketchbook/tut/ <- perspectives tutorial
check the p1 and p2
March 9th, 2005 #5
Thanks for the comments
Sideshowbob: Yeah your right training cubes and also spheres, cones, cylinders is something you never could train to much no matter if you're a beginner like me or a hardcore pro. I do short lines too. I have to draw differently when I do long ones.
wertle: No I did have it flat I'm going to test "Propping it in front" of me
Ok heres som anatomy study from reference
Ok I'm trying to draw from my mind using Mentlers tip about just drawing figures small just to learn about gestures, but I also have to learn not only in theory about proportions and such too They are really terrible but they gonna be better. It's just so totally different from drawing from life. Tried to do them fairly quick too.
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March 11th, 2005 #6
TIme for an update. I've only been doing what I like to call doodle-copies...just to get to know the artpiece.
Anyway this one is a copy of Giovanni Baptista Tiepolos: Angel
The original is pen with wash...I obvious used pencil
March 12th, 2005 #7
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March 15th, 2005 #8
Have been learning about movement and proportions of the human.
I drew this from my mind did look at the other figure when drawing the head otherwise I had the other figures covered, to be forced to draw from memory. when I have drawn the entire figure I checked if the angles was correct if not I looked at the previous figure for some time then cover it again and corrected the figure. I did not use a ruler either. so it's a little jumpy.
Animation contains 15 frames.
considered my skill level I'm actually quite pleased with the result. Gonna do something similar in a couple of monts to check if I have improved.
March 16th, 2005 #9
Returning the favor...
I would point out that in one of the instances of the legs crossing, they corss straight when one of them should be leading with the knee up. You got this right the other time the legs crossed, so perhaps you simply forgot to put it on the end of the animation.
Your eyeballing in sketches is very good, and will only improve as you continue with techincal anatomy studies. Keep it up!
March 16th, 2005 #10
SJ Bennighof Thanks man didn't even think about it , just begun to study stuff like how people really walks etc.
and heres a print I made just so I don't post anything in my SB without an image
March 17th, 2005 #11
Another crit about your animation is the guy's step. Just remember heel - toe, heel - toe. It looks like he is just sliding his feet along. If you're serious about animation a great book to pick up is the Animator's Survival Kit by Richard Williams.
March 17th, 2005 #12
and oh and an older pic just to not post without an image
Anatomy update to come within two days
March 21st, 2005 #13
ok...been working with anatomy
With the hand I've been testing the grid system. I think I'm going to stick with the grid system when I'm doing these anatomical studies, since I'm always eyeball everything else I do.
Thought I should post a progress of the hand.
first I draw in the contours using a pencil
Then I take of the grid and start to use my steel nib to ink contours and then to hatch, cross-hatch the shades.
March 23rd, 2005 #14
March 23rd, 2005 #15
I have to put my sketchbook on hold for a week, cause of an important deadline but then I will get much more time to sketch Anyways I'm going to try to make a drawing to anyone who post a reply and if it contains crits, advice or suggestions too I will put some more time on the sketch, but remember I draw really slow, so they might turn out ugly anyway
zou: Thank you this one I made for you
March 24th, 2005 #16
March 24th, 2005 #17
Looks like the grid-method is working out well for ya! The bonestudy looks great! Very clear and easy to read.
Your arm study look a little wonky, though. Mainly because the hand is too small. The lower arm looks a bit big compared to the upper arm also. The upper arm, however looks pretty darn good! About your angel-copy, I don't know the original, but it is a bit hard to read that one. I think some more contrast would probably do the trick.
Keep up the good work!
May 4th, 2005 #18
commercial breaks sketches
Well don't like commercial breaks so I try to do something useful instead namely I do sketches heres some (I learn quite much from these even if they are quickly drawn (quick to me anyway most certain slow to you guys)
From Bridgman (original size A3)
Zou: Thanks for the reply... I used acrylics
dCepT: Thanks for for the crits and comments... I rushed the angel it takes time to build good shades with pencil... the original is much better
May 4th, 2005 #19
May 4th, 2005 #20
Jokisalo: thanks going to do my best
May 15th, 2005 #21
Ok here an update
this one is loosely from ref
June 1st, 2005 #22
Hm just a little update
drew this old lady when waiting for the train
drew earlier today...
I had drawn one more woman behind the left woman but she blended in to the left woman so I erased her since I couldn't figure out how to make them look as two different figures
Starting to draw and make a new gif-animation tomorrow so in about two weeks I hope it to be finished,wont stop sketching other stuff though
June 2nd, 2005 #23
Lots of ways to seperate two shapes. Use lineweight (thicker/harder lines read as being closer to the viewer) value-difference.... Yeah...
June 2nd, 2005 #24
dCepT: I tried to use both value and lineweight but it didn't work maybe I did not to do it forceful enough, maybe if I had used colours it would have worked eh Thanks for the suggestions I do appreciate them...should have written what I tried.
June 2nd, 2005 #25
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hey mindflaw, didn't see your sketchbook here.
things are looking good, i like that pastel tree and the anatomy studies are nice and clean too, do you find bridgeman's style helps you? i find it a bit off putting, i have 'constructive anatomy' and 'heads and faces', but both are so stylised that i hardly look at them, not to mention the nonesense text, just wondering what your view was.
as for drawing straight lines, i had to talk about that because i teach kids in school to draw straight lines and i get them to avoid the curve by keeping the elbow up and moving from the shoulder as mentioned before, but also, do not look at the tip of the pencil, i find if i look to the side, or even look away then i get much better lines. Also, a nice exercise is to draw 's' shapes, deliberately curved then go back to straight lines.
but you probably know all this anyway- just to let you know that if i can get teenagers to draw straight lines then you can certainly do it. anyway, keep drawing and pop by the self portrait thread, i think we should make this month the most productive this year!
June 3rd, 2005 #27
Have started with my latest animation (2d) I'm in the process of understanding different poses and how we move naturally by doing gestures with myself as ref. , where pose and weight is prior while proportion and such is well not important. the prework of these is took a lot more time than I admit but I think I get the hang of a a little part of the animations movements now hopefully this one will be more natural than the above animation
Ni*: Hi Thanks for stopping by.
About Bridgman I only has his constructive anatomy, so my thoughts about him
is only based on that one book.
1. I like him cause he shows how he constructs the figure with blocks etc. and
because he is so stylized this shows through in his drawings and I'm able to
actually see how he thinks (in action). I think if you got that foundation then it's
just to keep refining it to a realistic level.
2. His simplification also has the effect that volume is primilary indicated
through the lines. This helps me in my quest to understand how lines affects the
sense of "space".
3. he shows where the muscles attaches to the bones. It helps me to know how
to look at the msucle and where to start and end a line that is supposed to
indicate a certain muscle.
4. I agree that he has a lot of no sense text that I do not understand, but it is
also full of gold nuggets like " from the sloping platform of the shoulders the
neck rises, a cylindrical column, curving slightly forward even when the head is
thrown well back." To me this gives me the suggestion to think about the neck
as a cylinder and not to make shoulders to square. BUT THE GOLDNUGGET is to
keep the neck sloping forward even when when drawing the head well thrown
back. Without this knowledge I think I would not be able to make the pose
natural. I probably check for flaws in proportion and well be lost.. never said I'm
smart hehe. Anyway in his defence: He finished the book 1920... modern
language is a bit different.
5. The blocked construction of the head I also like because it's simplification. It
helps me understand how to differentiate the planes something I couldn't do at
all before. Because he doesnt show everything in detail means that I still have
to figure stuff out. My theory is that if I'm able to figure it out myself I will
understand it at a much deeper level. This might be lost if I get a book or DVD
etc. that says do this and that...problem solved without me understanding, so if
the problem reapppears from a different angle I still would be lost... Thats one of
the reasons why a teacher who is able to understand his/hers students always
will easily beat even the greatest books and such in the world.
6. well the above reasons why I use it in, but I don't think he is a an author you
could use as the only resource, but togheter with others books on anatomy he
makes a pretty decent complement... e.g I don't use him for my anatomy studies
that I put time into cause he draws sloppy etc. and I definite don't use his text
as a primary source well not even as a secondary source.
Oh my did I ramble or what hehe anyway I hardly has done that exercise - drawing the line
straight since then. Anyway I tried some today and I tried to keep my eyes from
the tip of the pen but I find it really difficult my eyes is just drawn to the
tip...well practise makes perfect.
I will try to finish a self portrait in couple of days if I don't do to many mistakes
see ya in the guest self portrait thread
June 8th, 2005 #28
You can't guess it but this sp started out good but then I ruined it hm got to practice more
June 21st, 2005 #29
going to start to work more with coloursketches Don't know much about pastels so any tips would be appreciated
doing eye studies atm since I have problem getting the eyes to look alive
Hey why not join the guest self portrait gallery? *warning only for brave artists * good way to improve
from mirror (as usual)
June 24th, 2005 #30
Have been drawing a lot from my mind lately as to be better at just that... I decided to dress up one of my figures to be a britney spears wannabe "oops I did it again" quite boring I know but at least it's always fun to draw
I decided to participate in Rick hersheys illustration activity it was fun make sure to join in on the fun you too anyway this was my take of this weeks subject also without ref
and this how it was before I decided to test Gimp
thank you for taking your time looking through my sketchbook
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