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    Tsunami

    I guess you all heard about the Tsnumai in Asia. It's so fucking horrible.
    The ones in Thailand I think it was that put out warnings for this kind of stuff, didnt put out a warning because of the turism mostly. They could probaly saved thousands of life. The current death number I know is over 60 000 "killed" if you can say that.

    I say as another guy did, this is more terrifying then WTC in my opinion because you can control the nature.

    Here is some disturbing videos if you want to see what force the waves had.
    www.kratern.se/~erik/film/tsunami/


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    All that's said about how many lives could be saved if a warning system was in place....its plain BS. I'm not dissing the geologists or politicians who're suggesting lives could be saved with a warning system in place....but I'm always irked by people who said this could be done or that could be done after shit happened.

    There has been no such precedence in the Indian Ocean, at least not in the last 2 or 3 centuries. Even if there had been an early warning system in place, its very hard to predetermine if an earthquake under the sea can hit above 8.0. Then we have to look at the villages in Sumatra, Sri Lanka and so on....coastal villages depend on the sea, the evacuation notices disrupt daily life and once, twice, three times or more false alarm incidences, villagers who are very poor will go back to their trades and homes.

    Not to mention the governments in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India and so on.....they top the charts in annual "corrupt government" surveys. Even if they were given funding,....how many would really build an expensive system that may not be used again?

    Its slightly more different in Japan where the southern islands have 20 foot high breakwater walls in concentric rings built aound island towns. They have a history of entire settlements being washed away by tsunamis many times over the last couple of centuries. Its not unprecedented for them and they know it will happen again. Sometimes for an early warning system to work, the mentality of people comes into question.



    I don't want to come across as unsymphathetic......I feel for these people...heck my sister and brother in law drove into affected parts in Malaysia just hours after the wave hit.....just that I get pissed off when people come out of nowhere to say "I told you so" after shit happened.
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    I had three friends on the beach in Sri Lanka at the time, they were all very lucky. Two were in a beach cabin which got swept 200 yards down the road, and escaped unharmed.
    The other was actually out swimming when it hit. He got taken to hospital with minor cuts and bruises.

    The scale of the whole thing is horrific. The last I heard the death toll was 60,000 and going up still.
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    Darth, from what I understand, a warning system would cost several million dollars, have to be maintained 24/7, and only be used once every 100 years or so.
    So it's no surprise that a system wasn't in place.
    From what I heard, by the time scientists knew what was happening, it was too late to warn a lot of areas. Perhaps some other areas could have been warned, but there was no infrastructure to handle the message.

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    it's really horrible,and pretty much still unbelievable it happened.
    only "positive" thing about it is that it shows us humans our borders.
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    Another crazy fact....

    Due to the massive displacement of water, the axis of the Earth has been shifted...1 second of time has been permanently removed from our day...
    Crazy...

    my heart goes out to the people of those nations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by emily g
    Darth, from what I understand, a warning system would cost several million dollars, have to be maintained 24/7, and only be used once every 100 years or so.
    So it's no surprise that a system wasn't in place.
    From what I heard, by the time scientists knew what was happening, it was too late to warn a lot of areas. Perhaps some other areas could have been warned, but there was no infrastructure to handle the message.

    EXACTLY!!! Once every 1000 years or so more like. Most of the quakes that caused catastrophic damage happened on the east side of Sumatra rather than the west for the past few centuries.

    The warning system could be helpful to Sri Lanka and India, according to the speeds of the wave, Sri Lanka was hit almost 3 hours after the initial shock. Parts of thailand under 50 mins and almost no reaction time in Sumatra's west coast.

    I'm not saying there shouldn't be a warning system, just that I'm sick of people saying "this should've been done or that should've been done" after shit happens. Its always easy to criticize from a distance.
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    It's realy horrible what hapened over there..
    I do think many lives could have been saved with some kind of warning system.. they could have known up to 4 hours in advance the flood was coming. But you can't put them everywhere just to make sure.. like darth said it's very expensive.

    What i find odd is that people that live next to the beach have no clue something's wrong when the water recedes that much.. I'd run like hell when i saw something that abnormal.

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    It just goes to show us how small and insignificant we are on this planet. I bet the Maldeves are not having their Civil War anymore.
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    I pulled some bits out of a NY Times article (December 28, 2004 By DENNIS SMITH) that I thought were interesting. I would have just linked the whole thing but it wouldn't allow me to.

    "...We don't have a similar system in the Indian Ocean.
    This has something to do with the technologies developing
    nations can afford, of course, But it also has to do with
    the fact that our experience with the giant waves in this
    region is less immediate. Yet the single worst explosion in
    our known geologic history - an eruption of a 20-by-60-mile
    caldera some 71,000 years ago - occurred on Sumatra, just
    100 miles from the epicenter of Sunday's earthquake.

    The earlier eruption left a 10,000 square-mile sheet of
    volcanic rock, more than a thousand feet thick, and so
    filled the sky with ash that it probably created our last
    ice age...

    ...In 1958, an earthquake in Lituya
    Bay, Alaska, caused a landslide into the ocean that created
    a tsunami 1,720 feet high, a wave that could have swept
    over the Empire State Building. Fortunately it headed into
    a wilderness area and did not travel across the ocean to
    Hawaii or Japan...

    ...Americans believe that earthquakes are a West Coast
    problem. But the largest earthquake ever in the United
    States that we know of, probably at least as large as the
    one that destroyed most of San Francisco in 1906, occurred
    in the area of the Mississippi Valley in 1811. Boats were
    thrown over in the river and people drowned. Whole islands
    simply disappeared. This earthquake, and its aftershocks a
    year later, were so destructive that Congress passed the
    first federal relief act in 1815 to support the farmers
    whose previously healthy and farmable land was turned to
    swamp, sand and mud...

    ...The possibility of great landmasses falling into the ocean
    is always with us, and recently scientists found vertical
    fault lines through a volcano on La Palma, one of the
    smaller and more westward Canary Islands. The volcano has a
    crater about five miles wide and a half-mile high, and
    erupts about every 200 years. The last eruption was in
    1948, but the newly discovered fault lines have convinced
    some scientists that eventually the huge crater will break
    apart and slide into the ocean, bringing more than a
    half-trillion tons of rock with it.

    Since tsunamis are created in proportion to the amount of
    land that has fallen into the water, this event would
    likely create a wave mass never before known to written
    history, many times bigger than the wave at Lituya Bay. The
    wave would diminish a little as it crossed the Atlantic,
    but if it hit the Atlantic Seaboard it could be higher than
    the skyscrapers of Boston, New York, Washington and Miami.
    Scientists do not know if it will take one, four, or 10
    eruptions to separate the landmass, only that the
    separation is inevitable."

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    wow...

    just wow...

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    The whole thing is insane and terrifying.

    Local news left me speechless, when they did a 10 minute cover of the tsunami devastation. Then went on to a 20 minute spot where they talked about the New England snow storm. They interviewed several kids who talked about how hard it was, and all the sacrafices they've made.
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    Its reallly horrible, i know, and i read, that they wouldnt be surprised if it went up to 100,000 (deaths) http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/w...e-tsunami.html

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    These thing's show you who (or what) is really in control.

    Nice to see the US government contributing all of $15million, no idea what our shite government has sent though Probably some condolence letter's.
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    I just remembered that my best friend from MT and his family went to India for his sister's wedding. I'm fucking stressed, trying to find out if he's safe.
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    Correct me if im wrong, but i heard those waves were going around 500 miles per
    hour?


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    my heart goes out to the people of those nations...
    I second that.

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    i heard that it 35 mil, and that more will follow. which still doesnt seem like a lot, but then i would be surprised if any other country will give anywhere near that much.

    500 mph at high sea, then it's slows down to 30-40 as reaches land.

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    Not 500 miles per hour....not that fast.....500 Kilometers per hour.

    It took the waves 2.5 hours to reach Sri Lanka and India which are about 1200KM away. But the people in Aceh Bandar and the rest of the Sumatra coast had no chance. The quake destroyed entire towns and the water flushed the debris out along with the dead.



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    Uhg. I hear you guys.

    Watching this:

    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/video/t...onesia2004.mov

    Its the satelite view (or computer model?) of the earthquake and subsequent wave in the indian ocean. I just cant fathom that it actually crosses an entire ocean AND hits south africa. I couldnt even imagien if there boats or oil rifineries out there..

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    I just cant fathom that it actually crosses an entire ocean AND hits south africa.
    Hydraulic shockwave in action.
    Seismic activity gives water a "push", which is traveling throughout the entire body of water, top to bottom, in a radial fashion, like circles in a pond from a rock. As the water becomes shallower at the shore, the force condences. The end result is a crushing mass of water going steady at moderate speed with insane pressure. Or so my understanding of it goes anyway.
    Scarry stuff.

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    Interesting.. makes me wodner if any sea vessels felt it or oil rigs, heck even sea animals. Thanks Yutani (;
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    I don't remember any big oil rigs in the Indian ocean. I've read an article (lost the link) about how an American family survived the tsunami. They were out scubadiving and reported higher than normal swells in the ocean...to the point their daughter who's on the boat got sick. Then they started seeing debris and then bodies.


    Edit: ooooh, Yahoo news just put it up.

    Family Survives Tsunami while Scuba Diving
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    I heard that they haven't found any (or many) dead animals. Even at a wildlife preserve. Our animal friends certainly have a 6th sense. I'm converting to a shamanistic pagan religion so I can know when shit is going down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by otis
    It just goes to show us how small and insignificant we are on this planet. I bet the Maldeves are not having their Civil War anymore.
    maldives were having a civil war?

    i mean sri lanka was but the maldives...
    on the same note, strangely they barely got hit, apparently somthing about the way they are structured like an underwater mountain range, more then a solid mass.

    fuckin horrible tho... officialy the worst disaster to hit modern day man, certainly the most exspensive.

    oh and apparently the tamil tigers and the government are under temporary truce. Theyve also let foreignn aid into the region. Interesting enough, one faction fighting against the tamil tigers, apparently didnt agree with the government and effectivly nabbed all the red cross supplies, so there not getting to hard hit areas...
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    fuckin horrible tho... officialy the worst disaster to hit modern day man, certainly the most exspensive.
    Unfortunately, there have been worse. The Yangtze River flooded in 1931 and killed 3 million people. Mother Nature's one mean bitch sometimes. I feel so horrible for these victims

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    The animals knew what was happening.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=368317

    It is a tragedy

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    ...the earth is really vulnerable...

    ...a peaceful rest to the victims...
    ...I could murder some worms!!!....

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    Its not unprecedented for them and they know it will happen again. Sometimes for an early warning system to work, the mentality of people comes into question.
    That's very true. In my geology class the teacher would always make fun of Italians (the ones that live under the shadow of Vesuvius). Because when you excavate all the levels of ash you will find layer after layer of buried cities after the volcanoe explosions. And yet people still go back and build on top of it knowing full well that it will happen again. Same goes for people in San Francisco. They are living on a fault that will one day very soon be a huge disaster area.

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