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    anyone want to RUMBLE?

    Anyone out there want to go for a challege?? Respond and we'll set the topic and terms...

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    I'm up for a challenge, but I've got a lot to do today, so I'm not sure I could finish it today. I might need the weekend to pound something out, even if it's just a quickie. If that's cool with you, then let's get it on. You can set the terms...

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    JeffNY... A fellow NEW YORKER!!!! Hey, man.. Lets rumble.... I guess we should come up with sort of cool topic... ummm, Eatpoo.com is doing am "Against all odds" ultimate cover contest.. Maybe we could do something like that.. whatever comes to mind... how ever you want to inturp...

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    hmm, i'm fine with whatever. tell me more about this "against all odds" thing...

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    however you would like to inturp it.... Man against machine, small against large, one against all, person with no arms climbing a mountain.... Whatever.. Just make sure you explain when you post... and this time I would like to do something different.. Post development sketches with your final... Just so that we can see eacothers way of thinking... U like?

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    Alright, let's do it!

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    coolo... Set a deadline... How aboutHow about January 9th? With the holidays around its going to be a bit hard to work on stuff.... give us enough time to get some good artwork out... And remember to post thumbs, skecthes or whatever you did in order to reach the final piece

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    Yeah, Jan. 8th is cool with me...I'll probably have it done sooner. I am gonna warn you though, you might win this one by default because I am going kind of off-topic. When you first proposed "Against All Odds," for some reason the word "Odds" made me think of the word "Oddity," and ever since then I've been thinking along that theme and can't shake it from my mind's eye. You said you''re doing your piece for a contest over on eatpoo, so it's no problem if you stick to the topic more stringently, but I am going to take the liberal approach and satisfy the impulse of my inspiration. Bizarre curiousities will ensue And post those sketches if you've got them...I'll post mine shortly.

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    Heres basically all the work ive done for thigs thing already.. I started to do a lil side drawing to get away from this one before the poses drive me insane.... Anyways, basically just trying to get figures right... Ive never really done leaping figures and trying to create movement is very hard.... You cant get the full scope of my idea here... And most people wont until I post my final with my explanation... So, here are my WIPS...










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    Wow, I'm impressed, that's a ton of preperation you're doing for this piece. It's a great habit to have and one that I tend to have little patience for, but probably could benefit greatly from! I feel bad though because our pieces are so different, I've decided that with plenty of time til Jan 8th, I'll post this "Oddity" piece ASAP and try another crack at "Against All Odds" by the deadline...this is a challenge after all...don't know what i was thinking!

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    Ok, so I'll post this stuff here, because the topic is what inspired me, but I will work on another entry for the challenge. I started this one by using the abstract shape theory, which I've fallen in love with recently. Basically it entails just painting freely, making shapes and forms that you find pleasing to the eye, and then messing around in photoshop, superimposing and rotating layers until something coherent strikes you amongst the madness.
    Here's the abstract pattern I created:

    and here it is again after I've started painting a bit, pulling out what I see:

    worked some more, gave him another set of arms:


    I'll post more tomorrow. I definitely see a feline's face taking shape at the bottom there, so expect to see some big cat action!

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    ahh, very interesting indeed.... Same kind of idea that android goes by... have u seen his tutorial??? Well, I figure that Im going to start on my finished piece by thursday.. Thats the deadline i have given myself.... I'll post all my WIPS here.... Maybe you could do the same... Actually, now that I think about it Im going to do that for all my battles...

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    I actually haven't seen Android's tutorial...I found this technique through one of Ruinvs's threads. He mentioned that Android had demonstrated the technique at a workshop, but I didn't realize he had a tutorial on the site as well. I will definitely do a search for that.

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    actually, I may be wrong about that.. I probably just saw the same thread your talking about and holucinated the rest!!!! but, i wouldnt be surprised if he did have one... sorry about the confusion.. I wouldnt want the CA police to come after me for false something...

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    alright, here's the "final" black and white version, with color soon to follow. also, i was thinking vigo, since i gather from your other thread that you've clearly got frazetta on the brain, I'll make my Against All Odds piece an homage to frazetta as well. cool?


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    wats up Jeff.....? Yeah, man whatever you would like to do is fine with me... That last piece you do is looking very good.. I like the idea behind it... Surreal.. You may be onto something new and very innovative... even though you have taken some of the android techniques its clear that your not going the same route... More abstract... The only thing (if your looking for a crit) is that its bit confusing (which may be your objective) but, I feel if you cleaned it up a little bit your end result may have a greater impact... Im not going the Frazetta route on this project (not sure if you thought that) I was actually using it as ref. for another thread... The lord of Quintana <~~? Its to create a dark holiday character... Check it out... for that project im going to do my take on the classic death dealer... Mine is going to be a female on a reindeer holding a huge sickle and from what i gather.. no one wants to fuck with that bitch!

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    oooooooh ok, i thought frazetta cause you posted that frazetta thread right on the heels of posting those WIP sketches that seemed to be fantasy-driven, so that was the confusion.

    and yeah, always looking for crits, man! I take "new and very innovative" as high praise, so thanks a lot. as for it being confusing, i definitely agree. some of these pieces where I use this technique, I feel like I could leave them as black and white, but this one definitely needs color. hopefully i'll be able to post the colored version later today, and you can let me know if it's any less confusing.

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    cool man, that seems like a good idea... I wish that I were able to post more often but, my girlfriend kinda banned me from the computer for looking at porn! So, now I have to butter her up before I could scan some stuff in... your working strickly digital right? I have been an anti-digital person until late... These pieces that people are doing here make me think that I have to start.. I used to color with the com but, no com for a while now.... I just dont think its possible to create the effects that they are doing on here with natural mediums.. Unless your a grandmaster painter... Like dansadad... Damb he's good... How old are you jeff??? Im always amazed at the skills of younger people now... Im 25 and struggling to get back into the game.. I wish I never stopped..

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    Well clearly you're not hiding your porn well enough, buddy shit, hope my gf doesn't check this thread...

    anyway, the ol' digital vs. traditional debate. dansadad does do some amazing stuff...I had to save his whole universal monster series for my archives. if you saw his recent cover for the fantasy/sci-fi expo though, you'll see that his digital work is very similar to his oils work. that's why Painter is such a godsend...the level to which it is able to mimic reallife media is remarkable and just keeps getting better with each new release. Photoshop is still unparelled for tweaking and digital manipulations, but Painter's brushes are invaluable. taking another example, jon foster does amazing work using traditional oils, but he then imports the painting into the computer and brings it up that extra notch. speaking for me personally, 2 years ago I was a wiz at photo manipulation in photoshop, but 100% traditonal when it came to my art. I knew photoshop was capable of your basic, click, fill, darken, lighten coloring, but I had no idea it could mimic brush strokes so realistically until about a year ago. from that time until now it's been a steady climb toward recognizing the capabilities of these programs and utilizing them to maximize my own potential. I graduated from a liberal arts university in May and rather than try for a graduate program, I'm taking some time to teach myself the ropes and try to get myself to a point that I consider professional. Since I began working in Painter about 6 months ago, my work has progressed by leaps and bounds, and I owe most of it to ConceptArt. If you check out my sketchbook, you'll see the transformation. Though I haven't always found ppl to be incredibly helpful, just studying the work on these forums has made a vast difference in my work. occasionally i'll stumble upon a tutorial as well that just blows my mind and completely changes my mode of thinking. I'm a 100% digital person now, and I just can't imagine going back to traditional. Digital is quick and convenient without the ridiculous mess of normal paints or even graphite. It's like the difference between long and short division, or in calc when they teach you the ridiculously tedious way of solving equations only to reveal later that, by the way, there's a much easier and equally legitimate way to do this stuff. That's how I feel about digital art. Just the other day I was on a 4 hour train ride from NY to Boston when I passed the time by painting that old one-eyed seer...it's just so convenient, it's criminal. Without question, my Wacom tablet is my best friend, and the greatest investment I ever made. I too kind of put my art on the back burner for several years, while I explored other options such as writing and film, but since I've come back to it, I'm making up for lost time. glad to find a fellow new yorker on a similar road.

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    yeah, man I have actually seen your sketchbook thread.. Im on this site basically all day long.. Luckily I have a job where Im able to do my job and draw and bullshit on the computer all day long... thats why i love my job! I actually gradutaed from Art and Design high school and went to FIT for a semester.. I had that HS mentality still embedded in my brain so I basically flunked out... And recently probably about 6 months now, actually ever since I found EATPOO.com I got into conceptart which I didnt even know existed.. From there looking up uncountable different artist, the inspiration just took me right back to where my heart has always been... Ive been drawing very diligantly now for 6 months straight.. I have actually finished pieces (which many dont think are finished here but, when i conceived the idea that was the finished product) and am working on my third sketch book (which is amazing cuz I had one sketchbook throughout all of HS and never filled it up) working on different projects and its amazing... eventually, I stumbled onto coneptart and it blew me away completely and everyday its a delight to see new members the good and the not so good.... I have only had one piece of good crit here... It came BLACKFROG. who is amazing.. the thread is about drawing pretty girls and his answer wasnt much abiout the technical aspect rather than the theology behind it which was very helpful.. Extremely helpfull.... Im going to actually post some before and after CA art so that you could see where Im from here.. And even the girls.... Ive been procrasting due to lack of funds to take classes at the arts students league on the weekends... to get my figures down... anyways, like you said before its good to know theres someone else out there on the same track.... Its hard to become a great artist but, Im sure that all the great ones never thought it was going to be easy.... Looking foward to more of your work..

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    Alright, shield your eyes, I went psychedelic with this one. I had ambitious plans, but not really sure about how it turned out.


    It's always tough to completely scrap something that you've invested time and energy in, but I think it might work better without the lion.


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    Yeah, I don't need any crits to know that that lion's not working. I tried it all different ways too, so it's obvious that the composition is just flawed. I like this version much better...simple, but effective, I think.


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    ok, so why does the bottom half of your piece seem to be squished??? i would have that you would have just taken the top half and flipped it... to make a mirror but, for some reason its not reading that way...

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    Hey, Jeff... Thought you might be interested in checking out this guys artwork... Got me freaking super inspired... His sketchbook is top notch...
    http://www.jamesjean.com/
    enjoy.

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    Yeah, I shmooshed it for 2 reasons, A) If the reflecting plane is extending nearly straight toward the viewer, wouldn't the man's image be distorted or would it still be just a mirror image? I thought it would be distorted...Too bad we seem to be on our own in this thread, cause I'd like to get some more opinions on this. And B) I thought the composition worked much better this way. Those bony projections from his back are not aligned symmetrically, and really seem to throw off the balance of the image when you simply flip it. I'll think about these problems some more, see if i can come up with a better solution.

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    Here you can see what I'm talking about. I just don't think it looks nearly as good this way:


    thanks for the link to that guy's work btw...you're right, very inspiring.

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    personally, if your trying to create an illusion (which to me that what it seems like) just by flipping it, it would cause more of an effective illusion and give the work some symetry... when you look at it the other way, it seems more like the character is sitting on something, we can read that its the same image as the above but, being that its warped (flattened) it may seem like your trying to convey something different

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    blegh

    Walking away from this now...it's the best I can do.


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    now thats interesting there.. what u didn with the bottom colors

    Mainloop- man i must be dyslexic.. cuz i thought you asked how many people are on lsd

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    How's it goin, vigo? Don't know about you, but my new year's was wild. Anywho, I've begun my Against All Odds piece, and I'm putting the Kong spin on it. Jack attempting to rescue Anne...against all odds. This is just a preliminary mock up to identify my composition and forms.


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