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    Hey, man, now your doin' it! These last figure drawings are awsome! I think it's also good to, you know, practise lines and figures without rendering and stuff. And I'm telling you, those figure drawings are solid. But yes faces and rendering are also importent, but you got the time, np.

    Keep it going!


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    Tigermilk, thanks so much ! And I will get to rendering & faces soon, I promise !
    In fact I already sorta did in today's lifedrawing class ...only butchered the proportions a bit, sigh ... I blame the light (spot) shining in my eyes ... hm or maybe myself for not choosing another seat once I figured that ... but I had some fun looking for shadows & all !

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    first some more gestures from the mind ..
    NightVision Sketchbook - update Oct 6th, 2008 - Pics only on page 4

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    life ... hate the head (proportions), but some people in class seemed to like it, so here goes
    NightVision Sketchbook - update Oct 6th, 2008 - Pics only on page 4

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    life, I like this one best, although I didn't really measure a lot, so it's off on some places ... also didn't have enough time to render more (like arms & legs/feet). About 30 minutes I think.
    NightVision Sketchbook - update Oct 6th, 2008 - Pics only on page 4

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    Your figures are feelling much more grounded,
    you are starting to get a much better eye for
    proporcions, NICE work, I like the way you grounded
    the feet of this last one, in relation to the first image
    you posted of the girl with the spear, in this one I can
    see your are paying more attencion to prespective
    and anatomy; way to GO!!,

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    Hi NightVision!

    You have a good sketchbook thread going on here. It looks like you are doing a variety of good exercises from life drawings to memory drawings to anatomy studies. I think that there is a lot of improvement to be seen, as maxetormer was pointing out. One issue that i do see, which others have touched on, is the way you deal with the heads of the figures. You seem to tend to make the head maybe 10-30% smaller than it should be (as in many of the figures from page 37). Also, make sure to pay attention to the way the shoulders->neck->head attatchment works, so that the heads are properly place in relation to the body.

    Like I said, you seem to really be coming along, thanks to your work. Keep it up!

    Leslie

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    Hey Nightvision!

    You left some comments on my sketckbook and therefore, I thought it was good to check yours. You've got some good stuff over here.

    I think that my advice to you goes along the line of what leslief says. It's the heads you need to work on. It looks to me like you do the whole figure first and then complete it with a head.

    Whenever you leave the head for last your drawings are in great danger of innacuracy. The head is the basis for proportions of the body! So my advice is that you start with the head, and then, using it as a unit of measure, comtinue with the figure as a whole.

    Alternatively, some guy named DaVinci liked to focus on certain parts of the body, not drawing the head or limbs. Maybe that's another approach?

    Well, thats my two cents for you. Keep up the good work!

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    Keep up the good work, the last figure rendering looks very good. Your gestures could use some work; try to know the shapes of the body but capture the movement. Instead of drawing in a cylinder as the torso, say, you would just draw a line where the back is. I wish I could find some, I believe Dan Milligan (His Sketchbook) has a very nice grasp of capturing the form in very simple strokes. You might learn something from looking through his sketchbook

    And also, I've noticed the lag in posting....Try to keep it up!

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    maxetormer, thank you ! Knowing perspective does wonders ! Can you believe, when I used to draw from life model ... I'd never draw the feet planted right, even though I could SEE how much higher the one behind was ... my brain (smart as it is *sarcastic*) always went 'Silly ! everybody knows them's close together !' I guess I overcompensated in that spear-lady one...

    leslief, thanks for the C&C ! You're right ... I didn't measure for those ... and my heads ARE too small, thanks for helping me notice !
    The shoulder neck area ... pain in my ass ... as you can see in today's update

    Wes, yep ... putting heads in last ...good observation ! I used to start with the head ... didn't like ... then thorax ... which I liked better ... then switched to pelvis-legs ... I 'm liking that one ... but now I do have trouble getting the head placed right (before as well actually ... the head never seemed to fit the pose once I was done, so I had to redraw ...
    Thanks for letting me know about Da Vinci ... drawing head & arms last is starting to make sense to me & feels better ... but I still have to make it work, lol.

    mos, I think I know what you're saying ... actionline & stuff, right ? but I'm not sure how to do that when drawing from my mind (from model that'd be hard enough ... too bad we almost never have short poses, so I can't practice) ... maybe if I practice from ref first ... ? Good point ... one more thing on the list as what to practice .

    Here's the latest stuff:
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    faces from ref, while being very sleepy ... bad idea ! and then some crappy doodles
    NightVision Sketchbook - update Oct 6th, 2008 - Pics only on page 4

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    girl no ref ... started with the head ... lots of trouble with neck/shoulders ... head construction ... shoes
    NightVision Sketchbook - update Oct 6th, 2008 - Pics only on page 4

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    more head (skull) construction ... sleepy doodles ... curves (to represent 3D) hard, very hard for me ...
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    ellipses
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    figuring out some perspective construction
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    Hey!

    I already notice improvement on your figures. They look much better on this last post.

    Allow me to recommend a book I came across yesterday. Although I got the spanish version, it says here the english title is "Dynamic Figure Drawing", by Burne Hogarth.

    Check it out. It teaches how to draw these amazing, dynamic, life-filled figures without models or reference. I tried it myself (look at my last post on my sketchbook) and it really is amazing!

    I'm sure you'll overcome the neck problems! Take care.
    Wes' New and Upgraded Sketchbook (September '08 )

    Come, drop me a line!

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...84#post1828384

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    you have a really nice sketchbook here, keep on those anatomy and perspective studies. I can already see improvement, watch your proportions on some of those small sketches. Also you may want to work on the fluidity of your lines instead of scratchy lines, although you are already showing progress in this regard as well. Keep posting

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    Wes, I ordered a bunch of books a while ago ... they arrived a few days ago ... I am now the proud owner of said book ... haha ... finally had a chance to look in it today ... I look forward to start drawing from it later on ! Heh, that's the problem when you order your books all at once ... which one to start with ... ??!
    Already spent some time with Hale's 'Drawing lessons from the great masters' ... love it so far !

    vctr, scratchy lines, eh ? Better not post my sketches from a few days ago ... talk about scratchy ! I have to think about so many things, that the lines are not much of a worry to me yet ... but you're right .. nicer lines = nicer pic.

    Here's the best stuff from the past week or so ... Tigermilk ... this is for you ... finally got to render/finish a bit more than usual

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    also no ref, 1.5 hour for the full figure .. dunno for the face (which had a body as well, with screwy anatomy, so that got deleted) ... tried to draw the same face for the full figure one ...
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    Im sry I don't have much to say dood, but your really getting better!
    The girl not from ref. is actuall really good. Nice faces too!

    I really wish I had the power to give C&C..

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    hello


    i like the woman made without ref, it's really stunning:: i think you drawn it after the book, is it speed hale the guy u talking about ,?!!!

    NO ???!!!!

    pleaaaassee give us some tips on drawing like masters,
    i will follow your thread, keep posting your works with your comments and help for others learners (like me)

    good luck

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    Dam nice work mate!!!
    the grounding on the second girl is very nice,
    plus the pose on the first one fells relaxed and natural
    (I wish my figures always looked that relaxed he he)
    and you really tackled the face likeness in both
    figures on the second page, and that is one dificult
    thing to do my friend!!

    As far as anatomy goes I think that on the second
    the left arm; the one closer to us looks a bit detached,
    make more studies about how the detoilds-trapecious
    shoulder blade-clavique combo works, and you ill see that
    the arms normaly are closer to the body.

    Overall you doing all the rigth things,
    so just keep on doing this studies, they are aready
    paying off man!!!!

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    hey man.. great sketchbook.. nice anatomy studies..
    and i agree.. lips are hard to draw.. hands as well..
    thanks for the visit on my sketch book..

    bye
    fuiz

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    Yes, the first girl in your last post is very nice.
    Keep it up, your hard work definitely pays off.

    Emil

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