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    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    Welp, I doubt I would have known about Watt's Atelier if it wasn't for CA.org or my roomie Adrian. So I am indebted to you all. This school is completely amazing, and so are you artists of this forum. I was also so inspired by Pandawhipped's Watt's thread that I figured I would start my own. I also realized how much more I can tell what's wrong with my drawings this way...

    Welp... I figure with the help of those Crazy Watt's teachers and all of your crits I'm bound to improve! So here goes nothing! [plunge]
    WEEK 1

    Head Drawing! First drawing class if forever... and I was thrown in kicking n screaming. I got a pencil in the eye... but I recovered. Here's my first head drawing. O dear...
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Intro to tonal. We drew some skulls to begin understanding the structure that all of the facial muscles go over, etc. Mark drew the one with the red arrow.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    In anatomy of the torso we started learning the rib cage structure and pelvis. I had some fun trying to figure out the pelvis. The rt one came out pretty sweet! Then Jeff W. came over and fancied it up for me.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Friday night drawing salon. Forget going out baby! I'm getting my draw on!
    My god... I have never been good at figure drawing. Here's the first one. Wowza... hahah I can't wait to look back at these drawings in a year. It looks like the poor girl got a mallet to the face so I gave up on that and tried to do some quick head studies to figure out how to construct a head better.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Figure drawing. Erik gave me some great tips on this one... but alas. He was too late. Although his help there came in handy the following classes.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Quicksketch. This class is so fun! I enjoy drawing quickly instead of spending hours on a pose. Although the 1's n 2's get pretty insane! haha wheee! My poor page got all wet that night. doh!
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    WEEK 2. Fight!
    I think I overstylized this guy a bit. heheh. He was fun to draw though. But man... I made his face all deformed. Whoops.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    More skulls. Plus we were introduced to the Asaro head. Mark drew that kick ass one that was arrowed.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Today in anatomy class we were introduced to how the structures play a role into the overlying form of the body.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    I did pretty well on this guy I thought... even though I didn't even make it to his waist. I'm going slower than a quadrapalegic turtle right now.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    We got to draw this guy again in figure class. Although his head is pretty bad this time. Oh well. More crappy drawings out of my system.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Some quicksketches. Erik drew some on here trying to show me to draw in long lines, etc to get the form in quickly.
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    WEEK 3
    I made this ladies eyes way too far forward. eesh... I've noticed I do this frequently. yikes... one day I'll fix that bad habit.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Since that head came out scary I went home and spent time this week doing head studies from "Portraits" by Steve McCurry. I hope it helped.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Here's one anatomy class piece from a photo... plus a bunch of quickies from pose file books and a few from memory for kicks.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    At tonights drawing salon we got to draw this lady! wow... she had a lot of jewely on. I was scared to death. So I kept looking at Mark's drawing to figure out what to do. Man... this school is so awesome and so humbling.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    kinda made her a lil too big on the page. Erik came over after class to help out some. He darkened up some of the top and explained that I needed to get my shadow areas darker so they separate from the lighted areas properly.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    More quicksketch! Mark drew the arrowed ones. I don't know if it was his inspiration... or dumb luck, but some of these came out alright.
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    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    WEEK 4
    Mustache man! This guy was pretty fun even though there's a lot wrong with it.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    In intro to tonal we did a portrait. I made his nose and mouth too low, tried to fix it, and his mouth came out all tiny and too high. hahaha he looks angry.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Some HW for tonal class was to copy this photocopy. Second attempt came out ok I guess.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    We were introduced to the abstraction of the back today in anatomy. I spent the class trying to understand what the abstraction lines were relating to. Jeff W. drew the arrowed one. That guy is insane.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    This guys' body came out huge. haha whoops. 1 more crappy drawing out of the way.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    This guy came out a lil better. Erik helped me a ton to figure out the structure of the knee and the elbow. Sadly I didn't get to finishing these areas up since I'm so slow still.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Quicksketch with muscle man. This got confusing since we have to try to ignore a lot of the muscle details. Erik showed me his magic and told me to loosen up my lines a bit.
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    WEEK 5!
    This lady had a really hard head to draw. Plus she was moving all over the place so it was hard to get my angles right. Oh man... Ben came over after class and fixed this one up a bit. I need to simplify my forms more.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    In intro to tonal we began studying the figure. Here's some layins we got to do in class. Jeff W. came over n fixed my first lady on the left, plus did a lil comp to show me how to think about laying in my piece compositionally on the page. I tried again on the right and kinda got my layin better.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Learned a bunch about the pecs, serratus, abs, and obliques tonight. Here's some sketches. Marty came over and added some tone to the lwr right one. That was fun to watch since he has a sculptural drawing style.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Drawing salon again. This time no warmups so we had a ton more time to fiddle around. Although it's pretty rough not to have that warmup time.
    Her poor foot got cut off. I keep drawing the figures too big on the page. One day I'll get this issue worked out... one day!
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Figure drawing. I guess she came out alright. Erik keeps catching my long legs I draw. haha one day I'll get em the right length.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    More quicksketch. I tried to loosen up a lot more for these. Erik did the arrowed ones. Those really helped me on the 5's I did after that.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Here's a few loomis studies from the week. Adrian caught my small head habit. I'll have to work on that. These came out kinda crappy so I started just sketching from my imagination.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    WEEK 6!
    Good god I can't believe it's week 6 already.
    Here's some 5's for head drawing warmup. These came out ok for 5s I guess.
    Plus the head drawing from class. His face came out weird and I gave him a miniature ear. haha whoops.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    In intro to tonal we started thinking about doing a compositionally sound figure drawing. So I fiddled with creating some shadow patterns around the figure. Jeff W. did the arrowed one. That really helped me figure out what to think about when doing these comps. Here's the larger drawing I did after that. Mark caught my long legs compared to the short torso. Kinda fixed it, but I don't think it's right still.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    Wow... if anyone made it to the end of this then I appologize. You are a brave soul. Thanks a lot for looking... and CnC are more than welcome!
    I'm ready to take em... o wait... now I'm ready.
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    Heya spaz that's quite a big dump of images...I envy ya, going to Watts and all...These are nice. The values in the shadows are looking pretty good. Getting the right proportion comes with lots of practice and lots of measuring. I have trouble sometimes too with straight body parts. The proportion can look waaay off. I've tried to fix it by being really anal about measuring and I think it's worked somewhat.

    Oh, one tip I can offer to keep control of how big the figure gets is to mark off the farthest point you want to the body to go. Then use those points to kinda plot out where the body parts will end up by using proportions. It's worked so far for me.

    Anyways...keep at it, I guarantee that if you work hard, Watts can turn you into an incredible artist.
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    hey! wow.. i'm surprised ur doing so well when this is ur first time taking classes. How do u figure out where to shade? I see in some of your teacher's drawings they have alot of muscles and bones showing.. How does he figure that out? I am doing well at gestures but when it comes to long poses it scares me! I have trouble seeing where the stuff come out at me.... Does he make sure major bones show up everytime?

    anyways, keep up the good work, your doing well with all the face studies : )
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    Hey Jeff

    It is nice to see what you have been up to since you moved. I saw Adrian's thread too and it looks like you are both progressing very well. Damn. I can't wait to get down there so that I too can have my very own Watt's progression thread. As far as your drawings go it looks like your rendering skills are really starting to come together. The problems I am seeing are with proportions (that is also one of my weakest areas). My humble advice would be to double and triple check your proportions before you start shading, that and, of course, lots and lots of practice (which it seems you are already doing). keep up the good work
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    Jeff,
    very nice stuff here, I especially like the anatomy studies and head drawings. What I think we need to work on a little is the structure. Your figure drawings and QS are heavy on the rounds and week on the structure and straights. I will show you more what I am talking about tonight in class.

    keep up the good work
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    good stuff, I hope you keep this thread going -- I'm enjoying it a lot

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    Thanks everyone for your feedback and motivation. It's been a lil while since I've updated this thread. I went back to CO for thanksgiving so I missed out on some class, along with some time to update this thread.

    sula - thanks for the tips. I know what you mean ab. getting proportions right. It's a real pain for me right now... but slowly my eye will become better and I'll eventually get pretty accurate with proportions. I was also told ab. marking off the page for proportions. Although I ended up screwing up the positioning of the body, etc. Erik helped me a ton with figuring out how to get the figure on the page correctly. My week 8 figure actually fit on the page how I wanted it to! hurrah!

    Druie - Thank you. I went to a digital arts school years back... although I mainly did 3d work. Then worked in games a few years. Now I'm back to the basics. It's my weak point, but I enjoy it a lot more than 3d work. So here I am.
    Ab. shading. The big thing they tell us is to squint. Then the shadow patterns of the model become fairly blocky. This way you only get what part of the figure is in shadow, and what part is in the light.
    Ab. the anatomy stuff... there are a ton of various anatomy classes that cycle in and out of the schedule here. So the teachers have years of knowledge when it comes to understanding anatomy. It's incredible to see how much they know about the human body.

    Mike - Thanks for the tips and encouragement! I can't wait to have you here with us as well! You'll love this place. Proportions are such a pain right now... but after a few bazillion drawings I hope I have em figured out. I'm definitely learning a lot of different techniques to check to see if the proportions are right.

    Erik - You are my hero of the week. Your help on Saturday really helped me. I'll be keeping all that info in mind through all of my drawings. Do you have any tips on where to place straights in my head drawings? Or where my structure is lacking there? Thanks again for all of your help!

    eerok - thanks! I'm enjoying my Watt's experience a ton as well.

    alrighty... so where did I leave off... ah... here we are:

    WEEK 6

    Anatomy class. We worked more on the shoulder girdle and the rest of the back a bit as well. Man... this class is so helpful.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    Friday night drawing salon. he came out alright. He actually fit on the page ok. So that was cool! hehe Also started playing with the composition a bit with the darks on the outside against the form.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    My figure came out kinda weird. Oh well. Erik helped me a ton with some tips on getting the figure to fit on the page correctly. I got to put that info into play on my next figure class.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    WEEK 7

    Head drawing. Welp... I have been having trouble getting my eyes placed right. Doh! Although Jeff W came by after class and gave me some awesome tips on making sure the eyes line up right. (notice the random lines around the eyes) Holy cow... that helped a ton and that bit of info will never leave my brain now, or I'll jump naked into a pit of broken toothpics.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    WEEK 8

    Welp, Thanksgiving break made me miss quite a few classes. I'll have to make those up soon! aii!
    So here's my head drawing this week. I was much happier with him, plus after class Jeff W showed Adrian some awesome tips for stylizing his beard and mustache. That was cool!
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    In intro to tonal we're starting to go into quicksketch. So we spent the class drawing from photos to draw in the figure quickly using the abstraction.
    Jeff drew over the top rt one to show where my proportions were off.
    Mark drew the bottom 2 to show me how to get in the figure very quickly. Man... he whipped those out.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    In anatomy of the torso we just drew from back photos to further refine our knowledge of the back muscles and bones. Jeff fancied up my top right one and threw in the middle one. That was a photo of a muscle woman!!! aiii!
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    The drawing salon was pretty rough on me. This guy looked so bad ass with all this armor going on... but I just couldn't get it right. So I gave up half way through the class and started a portrait. Now for some reason my helm looks lopsided... heh. whoops.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    So for some magical reason I got my figure to fit on the page today. Plus I got a back view... so all of my back anatomy knowledge from the last few weeks came in handy! Hurray! I was pretty happy with this. Plus Erik helped me a ton to figure out where to put in straights to add more structure and stability to the pose. Thanks a ton man!
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    Quicksketch didn't go as well as figure class... but I got some good info from Erik as well. Although my hand was acting like a crazy monkey today so my drawings weren't working for me at all. By the end of class I just started busting in quick figures and shading stuff in. That was fun! heh
    Erik drew the arrowed ones to show where to throw in straights vs curves to give a good balance between rythme and structure.
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    Thanks for looking, and thanks for all of the input! It's all helping me a lot! Thanks gang!
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    great work Jeff.

    Applegate just looked over my shoulder at your stuff, he says you're making great progress.
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    Nice!

    Hello man,, you have some sweet stuff going on here. Im a bit curious about watts. What´s the requirements for going to Watts and how do u solve linving issues...sorry for my bad english. Hows the "school"?



    Just another question, Are u tall, alot of the croquis seem to be tall and big footed =). Else, great values.
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    Thanks for your comments guys.

    Ivan - thanks. Tell Applegate I would have never been where I'm at if it wasn't for all his kick ass help on the weekends!

    Yoonjin - Thanks. There are no requirements for getting into Watt's. Just a passion for art. As for living issues... Just find an apt complex close by. I live with a friend that I knew from the Bay area. We moved down together so it all worked out well. Other people find roomies through the school while some find each other through these forums. I think Jetpack's roomie for next year is from CA.org as well. So far the school is amazing. It's a very humbling experience being surrounded by so many amazing artists. Plus I'm learning so much every day!
    heheh... nope, I'm not tall. I'm just still having proportion issues. I've been noticing my leg issue lately and have been getting a lot of help on how to fix that.

    So here comes WEEK 9!! awe right!
    I'm so sad the quarter is almost over. I'm having way too much fun in class.

    I had a pretty good week. It started on the right foot with this head drawing.
    We had a cute model for the class so I was so worried about not making her look all retarded. hehe Luckely I did a decent job. Ben helped me a ton to get some of the features right... although they're still off a lil. Oh well... I'll get there.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    On Tuesday I sat in on the Head/Figure/Quicksketch class. It was figure day and this is what I came up with. Her upper body came out ok... but there I go again making the legs crazy out of proportion... whoops! Mark showed me some good tips on making sure the legs are in the correct proportion for next time!
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    Wed Morning I sat in on Erik's Figure class. This is what I came up with! I thought I did a good job... and at least got the proportions pretty dang close. Erik noticed my legs getting a lil too long. aii! Oh well, my eye will slowly become keener, so one day I won't mess up the proportions as much.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    In Intro to Tonal Jeff introduced us to head quicksketch. So for the class we drew ovals all over our page and filled them in with lil heads from varioius photo references. I went back last night and filled in the bottom left heads for kicks. This is a fun lil project! Jeff did the arrowed ones to show his quick caligraphy for these.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    In anatomy of the torso class we had a model. I think these were all 5 minute poses. Marty came by and worked on the arrowed one to give me some tips on refining the form to give volume and structure to the body.
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    In the drawing salon I drew my first obese woman. This worried me at first simce I've only been drawing fairly ideal or average built figures in class. hehe... it's always scary to try to draw something new, although she was a lot of fun to draw and I'm pretty happy with the way it came out; a few issues aside.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    Sat figure drawing class went pretty well. Erik helped me get my left leg to be the right proportion and Ron helped me get the piece at a good darkness as well as fancy up my head some.
    Spaz's thread O-Watts - Round 2! Fight! (updated 3/14/05)

    Quicksketch was a lot of fun tonight! It started like a rollercoaster. Then Erik came over and gave me some good feedback and gave me a good direction to head. I think these last 5's are my best yet!
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    Welp... week 9 is out of the way. I sure hope week 10 turns out this well!
    Thanks for taking a look, and thank you in advance for any comments or critiques.
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    Some tips 4 U

    Spaz:

    You have come so far in the past 9 weeks! If you want to really nail proportions, do a bunch of Brague drawings (see the thread by MindCandyMan), nothing will help you more. It all comes with time and practice, I still have proportion problems and am forever correcting my corrections. It is getting better, just have to find more time to draw, and hopefully from life. You are fortunate to have access daily to life models, take advantage. If there is a Saturday life group at the school or nearby go to it, that will really punch up your abilities. If you can get a sympathetic teacher to let you into their life class, do it. The more practice you get the better.

    If you can find a medical school (I went to the one at Irvine), and get permission to sketch in the cadaver dissection labs, it is a fantastic way to really learn anatomy. (Just ask, maybe get a note from a teacher or the school explaining who you are and why you want to sketch in the lab. I got in free, no problem, whenever there wasn't a big class, and sometimes when there was -- even better, I could observe the dissection demonstration!)

    Get some latex surgeons gloves and if the smell is a problem, put some Vick's Vapo-Rub under your nose to cancel the smell. I kept a special book and pencils, etc. just for it because pieces of meat tend to get on things! That's the GROSS in gross anatomy! After a while it gets to be just drawing meat (which is basically what it is).

    One thing which suprised me is how thick the skin is in places, and also the fat. Unfortunately most of the bodies were old people who were bedridden, so the musculature was wasted and a bit hard to see.

    If you can afford to enroll in an anatomy dissecting section (they are expensive), it would be the absolute best thing you could do for your knowledge of anatomy, plus you would end up being the envy of all the students (some cute female interns?! You could do worse!) because of your drawing skills.

    Now THAT'S "old master techniques!"

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