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    Let the trash talk posturing as criticism begin.
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    What are your intentions with your pieces and how much of it did you model/paint yourself? There’s nothing wrong with prebought assets but it’ll help us direct critique more.

    first thing I noticed is there’s so many textures and details competing for attention. Look into some depth of field, even if it’s mild, and probably also some atmospheric perspective
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    Nothing is prebought in this image. I created every detail. There is some atmospheric perspective although, perhaps, there could be more.
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    The lack of ambient occlusion bothers me profundly. Looks like a render from the 90's.
    "There're no lines in real life" / Is this a sketchbook? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    This one I actually kinda dig. You should separate the foreground and background more via atmospheric perspective as they are bleeding into each other

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    Agreed.

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    Please be more specific and define "ambient occlusion." Thanks.

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    The PBRs that I use include ambient occlusion. So there is no lack of ambient occlusion. "Looks like a render from the 90s." Nasty, bullying phrase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathis12 View Post
    Nasty, bullying phrase.
    You sound like Donald Trump!
    Grinnikend door het leven...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque View Post
    You sound like Donald Trump!
    Ha! I get more of a Princess Bride vibe.. "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. ".
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    You don't need to render every detail. I can see every leaf on every ivy vine in the front all the way back to the foliage around the castle. It's too much and makes it hard to decide what to look at. Only render the most important thing with the most detail. I didn't even see the bicycle until the 4th or 5th time looking at this.

    Also watch your values - I threw your painting into black and white and it's very hard to read. The girl's hat seems to blend right into some kind of false Roman architectural feature way in the back.

    I feel like this was a missed opportunity to have some nice volumetric lighting.
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    Trump hating scum. Figured as much.

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    I stand corrected, then.

    It's probably better than what Van Gogh would have done if he had access to a 1992 computer.

    Bravo!

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    Also ambient occlusion is an aspect of geometry, not material. And if, by any chance, you're using it, it's not set correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathis12 View Post
    Trump hating scum. Figured as much.
    Oh my goodness you are adorable. I want two more!

    *boop*

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathis12 View Post
    Trump hating scum. Figured as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathis12 View Post
    Trump hating scum. Figured as much.
    People here have been giving you several extra chances after you showed how fragile you are in your first handful of posts. You don't realise how patient they've been (or how they've then stopped taking you seriously) after seeing a thousand bruised egos just like yours over the years, lashing out because they can't cope with the culture shock of actual critique. Instead you keep digging that hole so fast I'm surprised you haven't hit Australia yet.

    With all sincerity and for your own good: drop the victim mentality and recognise that you still have a lot to learn. Go away from the forum for a couple of days to cool down and think about things. Particularly the forum ecosystem and higher standards you stumbled into; how handy a thicker skin and a bitten tongue can be; and how being told 'that bit looks wrong' does not mean you are being bullied. If you think you can adapt, then come back.
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    ...which is only my opinion.
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    So I'm going to post, but I'm not trying to be negative or tear you down, or start a fight. I'm just trying to give a opinion, and you can disregard it if you want, you probably will. But despite the fact that you said you made all the assets in the image, it still looks like a bunch of store bought models thrown together in a scene. And by thrown together I don't mean that it looks like a mess, it looks fine. But there is no life to it, which is why I thought this was done in Poser or something similar, theres nothing really indicating the artists uh presence. The lack of lighting and as Pilgo said ambient occlusion just makes it look like a bunch of objects placed together. And I get it, I'm rubbish at lighting and materials and stuff, I can admit that, it's difficult. But these things can really bring so much life to an image.

    In the scene the woman painting looks rigid, I suggest you move her closer to her painting. The medical bag doesn't seem to serve a purpose, and looks like it was included to add more clutter to the scene. It also stands out by being brown in an area which is mostly white and lighter colours. With her dress the bump mapping look very unnatural, I would recommend not including it at all or at least tone it down so it's not as noticeable. But overall I think the models are quite nice and the scene is put together well. I just think that the presentation could be stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilgo View Post
    It's probably better than what Van Gogh would have done if he had access to a 1992 computer.
    He would still have cut off his ear and committed suicide, probably a little earlier because of Windows 3.11...
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    Most of the problems have already been pointed out by others. So here's just a paintover to illustrate one way to fix some of it.

    Btw your global illumination solver seems to be not working or isn't set up correctly. No bounced light is visible on the scene. Using PB shaders won't do much if the lighting model is local. They'll end up looking pretty much like your lamberts and phongs.

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    Just had to say - LaCan that just looks beautiful.

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    This paint over illustrates exactly what can be improved. It's gorgeous, it shows the pieces potential and it's main issue. Values / contrast; the shadows on the pillars / vines say it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathis12 View Post
    Let the trash talk posturing as criticism begin.
    haha yeah that exactly the right attitude to approach doing art (or whatever for that matter)... your going to go far with that. untill you run into your first artdirector...
    seriously that easily ranks top 5 trolling starting posts ive seen here ever (reference joindate to put that into perspective...).

    LaCan for still rocking this
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    Thanks sone_one! Too bad they banned me just a day before you posted this. And it was for making a fart joke in an obvious troll thread. Moderation in this place really lost its marbles, dumbing it all down to the lowest common denominator. Sad.

    I'm done with it.

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    Holy shit, LaCan is here! Time warp!

    ... aaaaaand he's gone.

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    La Can, you're one of the only really good artists remaining that gives solid advice on this forum. I hope you don't leave for good!

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    LaCan, I'm in awe of your talent and craftsmanship, you will be sorely missed

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    Your remake of my original does look nice. Thanks. BTW, I don't mind critique but I don't like insipid comments but your critique is helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathis12 View Post
    I don't mind critique but I don't like insipid comments but your critique is helpful.
    It was your comments earlier that got members to start trolling in this thread

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    All art criticism is bullying and trump hating - Right?

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