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    Really like the way that you study the human figure by doing simpler, then doing more complex ones. For your short gestures, try watching this video by proko :>.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaulta View Post
    Really like the way that you study the human figure by doing simpler, then doing more complex ones. For your short gestures, try watching this video by proko :>.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
    I have watched it, plus plenty others. It's not difficult to understand how to go about it, but theoretically understanding it and actually doing it are two different things!

    But thanks for the vote of confidence in my self-training methods. I have never had a teacher (proper art teachers are pretty much non-existent here in South Africa where I live) and thus I never have the vaguest clue whether what I'm doing is meaningful or just stumbling up a blind alley. I suppose I should really try to do some scenery and figures from imagination, because that will show whether I have learned anything or not, but thus far I haven't been able to work up the courage to do so. And perhaps it's way too early anyway.

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    Had to go to the dentist today, so I didn't get much else done. What with the stress of all that, I really didn't feel like adding any further stress, so I cheated on the gesture drawings by not working against the clock. I have always hated that anyway, and never felt I was learning anything. It was just an unpleasant, stressful chore, and the result was inevitable: I ended up not doing gesture drawings, despite knowing that they are important. Even worse, they would kind of stress me out for the rest of the day, so that instead of them being a pleasant warming up exercise, they would cause all my other work to tend towards failure too.

    Now today I found to my pleasant surprise that when I'm not frantically scribbling against the clock, I actually still get them done quite quickly - I don't think any of these took more than a minute at the most. What's more, I now actually enjoy doing them, so I'll do lots and lots more, and I also feel more like I am actually learning something.

    Thus, I don't know whether this is wise at all, but for the moment, no more working against the clock when doing doing gestures...

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    And a bit of mannequinization...

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    Still in a bit of pain from yesterday's dental work, and to add insult to injury, it looks like I'll have to go back for more. But I tried to get at least a little bit of sketching done.

    Small study from life:

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    Overlapping forms, according to the draw-a-box instructions, except I find it almost impossible to visualize how such 3D shapes will intersect:

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    Some gestures from Quickposes:

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    Just for fun, I tried out some of the animal photos at Quickposes as well. They turned out rather difficult, perhaps because the forms are very unfamiliar:

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    And some further mannequins:

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    I think they are still a bit out of proportion. I find it difficult to tell without adding a lot more detail. I'm in fact slightly stuck now, and not sure how to proceed from here? Perhaps just do lots more mannequins, or is it time to delve a bit deeper into real anatomy? I'll have to think it over...

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    A sketch after an original by Edward Burne-Jones, who is no doubt spinning in his grave...

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    Had a hectic time, and got little done. Some intersecting geometric forms; as usual, I couldn't really visualize how they would intersect:

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    It illustrates my problem with the draw-a-box exercises: they all show very effectively that I don't have a clue what I'm doing, but they never do anything to fix the problem. Perhaps simply going through them all will help in itself.

    A few gestures:

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    And yesterday, a quick oil sketch with a limited palette:

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    I have more dental work coming up this week, so it's a good question how much time and energy I will have for anything. Hence, probably not much in the way of very serious work this week, but I plan on doing more draw-a-box thingies, and devote as much time to gesture as I can. Next week, perhaps I'll get back to anatomy.

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    Had a slightly hectic day and didn't get much done. I expect it will be the smae for the rest of this week, but I don't want to do nothing, so I'll put in the odd sheet of paper in between other tasks.

    Some shape intersections:

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    I remain pretty useless with these. I did discover one thing, mind you: when trying to imagine how they intersect, it is better for me to close my eyes and imagine the two shapes coming together and then melding into each other, than to stare and stare at the drawn shapes.

    Gestures:

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    I'll be doing lots this week, because it's the kind of thing that can quickly be squeezed into a bit of available time.

    And then, some faces, also from Quickposes:

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    I'm pretty useless with these too, and always have been. I'm not too sure such quick, five minute sketches are going to help either. I know from personal experience that it makes little difference whether I take five minutes or five hours: capturing a reasonable likeness mostly eludes me, and has for decades now. But I haven't really studied the head much via Loomis, Proko, etc. Perhaps that will make a difference. Doing so many in a sitting is in any event something new; it used to be, I would draw one and that would be it. Now I try to churn them out and not worry too much about whether they are good or not. As noted before, this week I won't have time for much else anyway, and it probably can't hurt.

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    Organic intersecting shapes:

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    I have been studying a quick sketch method invented by one David Rankin, from a PDF I downloaded long ago. I'm not sure if it is still online. For such very quick sketches, he uses a basic "face recipe" which can then be applied to any face. Using this method, he captures quite striking likenesses in about five minutes; it's basically a method for portrait gesture. Me, I take a bit longer (perhaps 7 - 10 minutes, though I didn't time myself) and mostly fail to capture a likeness, but I still like the procedure. I think it does make for a more confident and expressive sketch, and at the very least, my sketches aren't any worse than they were when I took an hour, carefully trying to capture a likeness. Lots of practice may get me there in the end.

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    Lastly, a sketch from life:

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    Gestures:

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    I now instruct Quickpose to give me a mix of nude and clothed ones. The clothed ones are much more difficult!

    Portrait sketches, broadly following David Rankin quick sketch procedure:

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    When done right, his method gives a decent likeness in a very short amount of time, and also makes for more expressive drawings than my usual cramped, tentative way of plodding through portraits.

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    Spent a day or two in shock, pain and discomfort due to dental work, and didn't get much of anything done. Some quick sketches:

    Using my own ugly visage as model in a mirror:

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    And some more quick portrait sketches, using David Rankin's procedures. He gets his done in five minutes; mine took perhaps ten, which is okay - he says one shouldn't rush them and take a bit longer if necessary, as long as one doesn't get too cramped. This time round I used some well known faces, because I found that with these it is easier for me to see whether I more or less managed to capture a likeness. I did, albeit not particularly good ones!

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    Hope you get better soon :>. remember it's ok to take a break for a day if you feel like you need rest.

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    Some abstracted leaf shapes. Draw-a-box prescribes only a single page of these, but I struggled a bit, plus I am very interested in botanical art and really want to get this right, so I did some more sheets, and also watched another YouTube video on how to curl leaves round:

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    Gestures:

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    And quick-sketch portrait a la David Rankin:

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    Keep up foundational studies, dont forget apply those as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonec View Post
    Keep up foundational studies, dont forget apply those as well
    Will do! B.t.w. when I click on your sketchbook link, it just takes me to a blank page with nothing on it.

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    Ty for telling me this, it should be fine now

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonec View Post
    Ty for telling me this, it should be fine now
    Yup, it works now. You have some great stuff there. The huge improvement your work has undergone since your first post in the thread is an inspiration.

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    Yesterday evening, waiting for food to cook, some idle playing around with shapes; it turned into an imagined still life:

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    Some tubes:

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    Gestures and assorted quick sketches. I struggle to make any sense of even the basic shapes of the hand; will have to practice a lot more:

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    Tried to visualize parts of the skeleton inside a figure, but found I couldn't really make any sense of it at all:

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    I tried to draw in the bones on the reference photo. I don't have access to a printer so I couldn't print out the photo to do it by hand. I also don't have a tablet and had to use the laptop's mouse pad and MS Paint. Hence the rather scribbly and wobbly appearance. I don't think this will matter; the point here is the visualization rather than a pretty result. But I found I couldn't really do it at all:

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    Next step: do more of these, but start with simpler poses before tackling this sort of bunched-up pose.

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    Today, mostly an exercise in learning hat doesn't work, so not much to show. Frustrating perhaps, but a necessary part of the process.

    As usual, started with quick sketches from Quickposes:

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    I wanted to take some time to sketch in the bone structure on photos of models, as explained by Proko. I tried to use Sketchfab models to help me visualize the skeleton, but while those models are nice, my ancient little laptop simply cannot handle all the data, and tends to freeze up, all the time, so much that I can't really use 3D models. Plus, the lack of a tablet made the whole thing frustrating and of limited use, so for the moment I have abandoned that exercise.

    Instead, I spent time making stills from one of Proko's videos, that shows the arm's inner structure from at least some angles. I found it actually gave me quite a lot of useful material to study, so I'll be sketching from these stills. Not sure how much it will help me understand, but I don't think it can do any harm either.

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    One day when you're finally good at figure drawing you will wish to have spent more time on basic forms than these complex but barely useful skeleton

    Or just practice 1 millions more gesture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puruishi View Post
    One day when you're finally good at figure drawing you will wish to have spent more time on basic forms than these complex but barely useful skeleton

    Or just practice 1 millions more gesture
    Heh, drew quite a bit more bits of skeleton today. But I think it does actually greatly help me to understand how the parts work together, because I don't just mindlessly copy - I make a point of trying to work out how the bits fit together and work together in three dimensions. Plus, I kind of enjoy drawing the anatomical stuff.

    But yes, I think the gestures are making a difference too. Yesterday evening, waiting for food to cook, I doodled around and these things emerged:

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    I swaddled them in heavy clothing to hide my lack of anatomical knowledge! :-)
    And yes, they are still very stiff and awkward, but they are definitely better than what I would have been able to do even two months ago, and I noticed while scribbling them that it was gesture all the way. And thus I intend to do gestures every day.

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    The usual quick sketches:

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    Study of a potted cycad:

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    And exploring the bones of the arm:

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    I'm slowly beginning to understand how these fit and work together to cause the complex movement of the arm. Of course, understanding and actually being able to draw it are two different things!

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    Been rather busy with other things today, so not much new to report.

    Gestures:

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    And a study from life, for a regular draw-from-life challenge at WetCanvas.com:

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    Another day, another bunch of sketches...

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    Been battling it out with trying to understand flowers as 3D forms rather than just shapes on a screen to be copied. It will probably take a while before I get it...

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    Quick sketches:

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    Still battling it out with the Clivia plant and flowers. I have a solid understanding of it in an intellectual sort of sense - my formal training was in botany rather than art. But I notice: understanding the plant in a botanical sense is not the same thing as trying to correctly visualize and draw it. By the same token, an ecpert surgeon is not necessarily a good figure artist.

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    Messy sketches, but I think they gave me some more ideas on how to approach the subject.

    And studies of the structure of the arm:

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    Sketches:

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    I need to look into drawing children; I made the models look way, way too old. It's one drawback of Quickposes: no child models, but fortunately photos to use for practice are all over the web. The slightly different proportions and softer curves threw me off, I think.

    Sketches after Quickposes reference:

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    And still working on the Clivia plant. I found some videos on YouTube that explain how to get the symmetry of flowers right, by first just playing around with pseudo-flowers. I think this is good practice in general, and will help when I tackle those Clivia flowers, which are really tricky.

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    The plant itself is easier to make sense of, I think...

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    Been rather busy with other matters, but managed some sketches in between...

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    I got the idea in my head to use a film as reference: play the movie, pause, make a quick sketch, play again, pause a few seconds later, make a quick sketch, and so on. It's fun, and you get a lot of practice:

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    I'm rather busy with all kinds of stuff at the moment; trying to make time for sketching in between:

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    There's a guy named Sycra on YouTube; he has some interesting ideas on figure drawing. For one thing, he says that when doing figure drawings or gesture sketches, one must ask oneself: what is the goal? Do I want to create classical nudes for the galleries? Learn to draw from imagination? Improve my observational drawing? How you approach your quick sketches should depend to some extent on what your plans are.

    In his opinion, while any practice will lead to improvement, if you want to learn to draw figures from imagination, it is of limited use to just sketch the contours you see. He is of the opinion that with each drawing, whether quick sketch or more detailed drawing, one should focus on trying to work out the 3D anatomical structure, so that you build a 3D map of the figure in your head. In other words not necessarily try to draw every little bump and shadow you see on the model, but instead fill in the anatomy as you go along, from your knowledge, and not just from what you can observe.

    And thus, he thinks one should first learn anatomy, and then apply it to sketching, always drawing with the anatomy in mind. But I have never really seen how one can learn anatomy in isolation; I think one should learn as you draw, i.e. look at models and do your best with what little anatomy you know, and try to increase this knowledge as you go along.

    I have never actually been particularly interested in figure drawing as such, but it greatly improves all other drawing, and I want to learn to draw better figures from imagination in order to illustrate the children's stories I write every so often.

    And thus, I have moved away from the very quick gesture sketch as a sort of end in itself; I now start with a lightly sketched gesture, but then extend the process a few minutes while trying to make sense of the structure. At this point, my knowledge of anatomy is really way too vague for this, but I think the process itself helps to tell me what I need to go look up.

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    Sycra made available a chart of simplified anatomy, treating the muscles very much as major groups and masses, which I'll study in due course. But I still need to learn more about the skeleton too.

    Some more flowers:

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    Another point Sycra makes in the video I watched. You get better at what you practice, and thus you must practice what you want to get better at. So if you want to learn to draw figures from imagination, then you must practice doing this. I have always been reluctant to even try, because I suck at it so thoroughly! But one should focus precisely on that which one sucks at. He notes that while your initial attempts will suck, they will help a great deal to focus your mind; they will show up which areas you specifically need to study up on, and will in general practice your ability to visualize.

    And so I bit the bullet, sketched some figures from imagination, and as I thought, it sucks! :-)

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    Gotta say, though, I think it is actually better than it would have been even a few months ago, so I think all my study and practice has not been in vain.

    And some more sketches after video stills:

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