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    Bargue drawing

    My first fully rendered bargue in graphite using H, HB, and 2B. I think I did it too fast. I'm pretty sure the foot took me around 4-6 hours total.

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    Post artwork directly in to forum

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    Pretty on point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilhouetteTV View Post
    Some eyes and my first fully rendered bargue in graphite using H, HB, and 2B. I think I did it too fast. I'm pretty sure the foot took me around 4-6 hours total.


    http://imgur.com/gallery/uUBtght
    It wouldn't upload. It would say upload failed everytime

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    Is it below 1500 px and 500 kb?

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    I'm uploading from my phone, so I don't know.

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    I'm assuming that images are too big as my phone takes larger images than 1500 px

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    bump (reuploaded image)

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    Looks like the foot from Monty Python. Kudos.
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    Speed doesn't matter. It's what you learn from these that's important. If you become totally anal about every single line, you're missing the point. This was originally set up to teach engravers how to copy in a reproducible way, not artists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Spot View Post
    Speed doesn't matter. It's what you learn from these that's important. If you become totally anal about every single line, you're missing the point. This was originally set up to teach engravers how to copy in a reproducible way, not artists.
    Do you have a reference for that? As far as I know, Bargue's Cours de Dessin was really a drawing course for artists, which has for long served as standard curriculum in many art schools.
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    This merely states that the originals were engravings and lithos, being the popular ways of reproduction of the day, and that hatching is essentially an engraver's technique. It does not claim that the course was meant for engravers.
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    I should get Michael Mentler back here to argue - he's been posting about it on FB. He's Dr Bones here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque View Post
    This merely states that the originals were engravings and lithos, being the popular ways of reproduction of the day, and that hatching is essentially an engraver's technique. It does not claim that the course was meant for engravers.
    I think its used for helping for seeing proportions as well how dark you should go, as many beginners tend to go way way too light on their shadows.

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    Thanks (like your sketch book by the way.) I'm guessing that doing bargue isn't really worth it then? I can see how it can hold you back because I noticed that when I was doing this, it was actually easier to do than me trying to draw this peppercorn grinder from life. I tried drawing it twice, and I couldn't get it right. Do you think it's a good idea to learn everything from figures as a semi-beginner, or should I just stick to basic shapes first? I feel values is important, but i don't know if its best to just learn that from still life or figure drawing.

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    We've all pretty well done some Brague studies when learning. If you enjoy them, do some more, but don't get too involved in making it 100% accurate every single time. The best part about them is the division of an object into dark and light, and learning to see angles. Yes, simpler objects can be good, but also boring. What matters most is to keep drawing everything including that peppercorn grinder. Whatever you draw, bring your mind to it, working out what the essence of an object it and how it's structured.

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    So would say it is better to approach bargue with a more a comparative measurement method rather than sight size? there seems to be a lot of controversy on sight size drawing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilhouetteTV View Post
    I'm guessing that doing bargue isn't really worth it then?
    Bargue is dated. It was a curriculum where students copied a series of lithos meticulously, followed by drawing from plaster casts, until finally they were allowed to work from live models. Nowadays, people think that Bargue means copying an image or two, but this makes no sense without the rest of the curriculum. If you want to follow the full academic program, be it French or Russian, go ahead, but if your goal is to be employed in entertainment industry, the approach is inefficient.
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