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    Keeper of Rhyme

    Hey everyone!

    Working on another MTG inspired illustration to submit as a portfolio piece to Wizards. This time I have the Keeper of Rhyme, a sort of spooky Angel Horror thing. Detailing will probably draw from Scandinavian folklore influences but for now I'm trying to sketch out the basic shapes, forms, and colors. All feedback welcome, thanks!

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    Is the rest of her body under her torso cut off because of a wing, a rock, something else? It's the same color as the sky so it looks a bit like it's just cut off and I can't really read her shape. I'm also not sure if the highlights on her lower arm on our right and the wing there make sense, but I'd love someone more experienced to comment on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inkymaw View Post
    Is the rest of her body under her torso cut off because of a wing, a rock, something else? It's the same color as the sky so it looks a bit like it's just cut off and I can't really read her shape. I'm also not sure if the highlights on her lower arm on our right and the wing there make sense, but I'd love someone more experienced to comment on that.
    Good catch on the highlights, will probably scrap those. As for the body, it's like a dress of rags covering her lower half, doesn't look like anything now because no rendering. Overall there will be a lot of rags coming off her.

    Thanks for the input!
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    Update! Trying to focus on not over-rendering, so am trying to get the Keeper done first and do the rest around it. Background is pretty much done, still need to do the wings and the foreground guys. Definitely still open to critiques and feedback. Thanks all!

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    Theres a lot of proportion issues, you've done some foreshortening but it scales badly with the rest of the image. Why do you do sketches with no pressure sensitivity and thick brushes? It leaves more margin for error in your pieces, you did the same thing with the last one. Your sketch is almost irrelevant as nothing lines up with it. I would suggest sketches with thinner brushes or at least pressure sensitivity. I like that you're doing Scandinavian folklore though, thats cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenchi24 View Post
    Theres a lot of proportion issues, you've done some foreshortening but it scales badly with the rest of the image. Why do you do sketches with no pressure sensitivity and thick brushes? It leaves more margin for error in your pieces, you did the same thing with the last one. Your sketch is almost irrelevant as nothing lines up with it. I would suggest sketches with thinner brushes or at least pressure sensitivity. I like that you're doing Scandinavian folklore though, thats cool.
    Ugh pressure sensitivity is the bane of my existence. For some reason the functionality only works on my system about 20% of the time. I've spent literally hours on the phone with Wacom technical support over several years and the best they've got is a temporary workaround that includes restarting my system every time I need to reset the pressure sensitivity, which is like every 15 minutes (aka basically useless). Unfortunately I've got to work with what I've got to work with.

    That being said, where are you seeing the major errors with foreshortening? I could absolutely push it more with the back wings and the farther away hand, and the hand with the lantern probably should be more straight on on the arm. I'd be open to any specifics or paint overs!
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    Ah, I know them feels, if you go to task manager, then services, you can scroll down to Wacom professional service or WTabletService, right click and stop it, then rick click and start again. Thats essentially doing what a full restart would do. During this time unplug your tablet and plug it back in. Rolling back drivers is also a good way to fix Wacom products. Their tech support is outsourced and terrible. For the foreshadowing, it starts on the hand, which is too big compared to the other hand, then the foreshortening just stops, the arm is the same thickness all the way through. Theres also no foreshortening on the head or the horns, or the other arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenchi24 View Post
    Ah, I know them feels, if you go to task manager, then services, you can scroll down to Wacom professional service or WTabletService, right click and stop it, then rick click and start again. Thats essentially doing what a full restart would do. During this time unplug your tablet and plug it back in. Rolling back drivers is also a good way to fix Wacom products. Their tech support is outsourced and terrible. For the foreshadowing, it starts on the hand, which is too big compared to the other hand, then the foreshortening just stops, the arm is the same thickness all the way through. Theres also no foreshortening on the head or the horns, or the other arms.
    Ha, I wish that Task Manager thing worked. Currently I need to delete all user preferences, restart services, restart Photoshop, and that only works about 50% of the time, and then only for a little while. The struggle is real.

    As for the piece, I decided not to half ass the foreshortening and go all in! I worked on the foreshortening on the lantern hand, pushed the back wings, back hand, and scythe farther into the background by making them all smaller and shorter. I also added some trees in the foreground to give a sense of scale (which does distract slightly from the claustrophobic "closeness" of before, but I can't really have it both ways). I think this really sells it a lot better. Your thoughts?
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    Watch your tangents. The antler + crow are pulling my eyes right off the canvas
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    BIG UPDATE!

    Sorry for the delay everyone, been traveling, not enough art time. Finished the wings, background, and the Keeper herself, as well as ironed out/decided on the perspective, and changed the scythe (which was getting lost in the trees entirely). Pretty much just have the foreground guys to work on, which is my next step. Would love any thoughts and feedback you have, as I'm entering the home stretch. This has been a great learning experience thus far, thank you everyone for your insightful comments!

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    I have trouble understanding the logic behind her gesture. Why is she walking away from him yet turning towards him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterdistant View Post
    I have trouble understanding the logic behind her gesture. Why is she walking away from him yet turning towards him?
    It was supposed to look like she just noticed these terrified people fleeing the forest and is turning towards them.
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    I see. Shouldn;t the birds be illuminated by the moon/lantern too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterdistant View Post
    I see. Shouldn;t the birds be illuminated by the moon/lantern too?
    Yep, caught that right after my last post, it's been updated since then. Good eye! Should have a new post soon.
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    Haha, you thought I'd forgotten about this piece? NOPE! Was just out of town for a few months. Back home, and I think she's about done! Added foreground people, weather, lightning, a ton more detail on her, and a bunch of other stuff as well.

    Would love any final critiques. Thanks everyone!
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