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    10,000 Hours of Mastery

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    Hi beginner here. I only began taking art seriously in January 2017. No formal art education and I work in a completely different industry. I began tracking my hours from mid January and am currently on 261 hours and aim to do 10 hours per week. Currently treat this as a hobby, no expectations of having a career in concept art but it would be amazing if that happened. Not really sure what direction I want to go in but I really enjoy drawing characters.

    I am using the following resources at the moment:
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    I understand that I have a lot to learn and would really appreciate some feedback on how I can improve. This is the level that I'm currently at:


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    I think some of the images in my last post were a little too faint so I hope these are more clear.

    I tend to draw the head too wide/round on portraits in comparison to the reference I'm using, I need to work on this.

    With anatomy I think I need to re-visit Proko's lesson on proportion. I find it especially difficult when the model isn't standing up straight.

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    Your general anatomy studies look good, but your faces are still terribly disproportionate. Practice drawing some skulls, if you can see what's underneath the skin you will be able to arrange the features on your faces more realistically. I see some improvement in your latest post with faces, and that you drew the proportion guide but to really learn to draw realistic faces you should combine the proportion guides with knowledge of bone structure.
    Overall, good work so far, keep on practicing!

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    Thanks for the feedback.

    Do you have a website for good reference images for skulls? Or did you use a skull model?

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    I've come up with a list of basic skills I need to work on the most and each drawing session I will pick one to concentrate on.

    Gesture:
    - Proportions
    - More curved lines rather than using straight lines
    - Exaggeration

    Portraits:
    - Practice drawing the head at different angles. Have just ordered Andrew Loomis Head and Hands book so will work my way through this.

    Fundamentals:
    - Perspective
    - 3D construction
    - Measuring proportions

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    I didn't get much time to practice today.

    Gesture: Trying to draw less straight lines and more curved lines
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    Perspective: exercise from drawabox.com (I need to practice ghosting more)

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    Fundamentals: Perspective exercise from drawabox.com

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    Gesture: Practicing exaggeration
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    Portraits: Practicing different head angles from Andrew Loomis 'Drawing the Head and Hands'
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    Gesture (~2 mins)
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    3D construction: Mannequinisation from Proko tutorials.
    I think I need to go back to practicing 'The Bean' and 'Robo Bean'

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    Some gesture practice, I think my proportions are improving in the second lot.

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    Perspective exercise from drawabox.com

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    250 boxes challenge from drawabox.com. I realised my lines were lazy from box 72-84, 85 onwards are better.

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    good that you are studying the fundamentals-maybe try to do more simple 2d observational still life to add to the construction type studies.

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    @GrayPersona Thanks for checking out my sketchbook. You're right, I have been intending to do some still life, I just keep putting it off.

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    Warm up exercises from drawabox.com:

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    Practicing drawing the head from different angles and trying to understand where the features should be placed. I struggled with this from my imagination so used reference photos:

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    Made a value scale and practiced values and shading using simple 3D shapes:

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    'Lines' warm up from drawabox:

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    Finally got around to doing some still life, trying to concentrate on shape, proportion and value. Not interested in the detail at the moment. Can see some shading errors and the top banana should be sitting higher, but overall quite happy with this attempt. Definitely need to practice this more often, hopefully will get the chance to do a still life every day.

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    Re-visiting 'The Bean' and 'Robo-Bean' from Proko tutorial. Noticed an improvement from my last attempt, drawing along to the videos helped a lot.

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    Some gesture and 3D figure construction. I did intend to do more 3D construction but started to feel a little burnt out from all this drawing practice. I think in these I've tried to go into too much detail and I think I should keep the shapes more basic at the moment.

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    you may be beginner but you are studying the right stuff and i see potential and the ability to understand what you re studying in your drawings. you seem to also have the right attitude so i have to say keep up the good work man

    its good that youre familiarising with all these concepts from early on, but my advice would be focus on simple construction. for me the no1 things you have to get a very good grip of, is perspective and volume of form. if you re comfortable seeing simple 3d forms in your mind and arranging them with correct perspective on paper with their volumes clearly communicated, everything else is just memorizing different types of forms and their relationships. this is the basis for everything. drawabox gives you a good idea of these things to start with but, with perspective specifically you need to really work it out in your mind and understand it. even invent your own methods and concepts of thinking about it in a way that youll eventually wont need to think about it at all.

    so i wouldnt stress too much with manequinisation or loomis yet. since your perspective and form understanding abilities have room for improvement, studying construction of the human body is not the easiest or fastest way to improve. dont detach completely though, its good to practice many things but just keep in mind your main focus and be methodical and honest of what you need to study. definately keep up 30s gesture drawings, do them every day and dont think about construction too much. seeing rhythms is very very important skill its what connects all your abilities and makes them work together, without it they suck. and remember never copy anything without understanding it. if you find yourself just copying something, it means you have to go back and study that thing. whether you re just copying shapes without thinking about the form or copying angles and measurements without understanding the perspective, when you finish copying you ll have learned nothing new no matter how well you copied. you need to study hard but that doesnt necessarily mean hard studies. doing master studies all day for example without knowing how to draw a cube will only make you good copier. thats what photos are for know what you re studying and what you re learning everytime good luck with your artistic journey man and have fun! and sry for long post its just my opinion

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    @Sparekiss Thank you very much for taking the time to view and comment on my sketchbook.

    I think I understand what you mean by volume of form, I am going to try to incorporate more of this type of study with hopefully daily still life studies. In regards to perspective I get that I need to learn this as a fundamental skill and will try to add this in, it's just difficult to understand how to split my study time between fun (i.e. drawing people) and with the fundamentals as the boredom can sink in. But yes, you are right I need to learn perspective.

    In regards to the copying from photographs, I don't intend this to be the end product. The reason I began looking a photographs when studying the head from Loomis' book was because I struggled to understand how large to draw the ellipse that represents the side plane of the face as well as understand how to draw 'the other side of the face'. Once I have a better understanding of this I do indeed intend to practice from imagination.

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    I didn't get much practice time today.

    Started off with some gestures (1-1.5 min). Not sure that I completely understand the value of these but will continue gesture drawings regularly since it is recommended quite often.

    Did a very simple still life of toiletries, didn't realise how difficult it would be to draw/shade a shiny surface. Also looks a little messy because I was using a blunt pencil and couldn't be bothered to sharpen it.

    And finally started the rotated boxes exercise from drawabox (I find this incredibly difficult) but got too tired to carry on, will finish this off another time.

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    I love your idea with the hours. Somehow it all feels much more authentic that way.

    And oh yeah. The rotated boxes are terrifying.

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    Some warm up lines and practicing different head angles from imagination.

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    Struggled with this so I did some traceovers from a magazine to understand the shape and where features are placed, not sure how helpful this exercise was.

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    Managed to get a couple of sneaky gestures in while at work

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    Still life of a very shiny perfume bottle.
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    And back to drawing the head. The first four are from photographs and the last two from my imagination. Although it may not show in the drawings I do feel like I have a better understanding of where and how the features are positioned at different angles.

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    Some gesture:

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    Some beans:

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    Gesture:
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    I completed the rotated boxes exercise. Although it is far from perfect there is a definite improvement from my last attempt.

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    Started off with a still life.

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    Went back and corrected the boxes I had previously done... and then more boxes.

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    Gesture.
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    3D construction of the figure.

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    Heads from imagination. There's a definite improvement with the first two...and then I got confused on the third one :/.

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    I would recommend what others have said, fundamentals such as anatomy, perspective, Learn to step back and come back to work. look at your work in a mirror learn to see the same image from different vantage points and that will help you to keep it from getting wonky. You've got really good instincts. I would say add a location drawing class to your instruction. Or do a paint and draw, something low pressure but something out in the real world where you are drawing from observation. Apply perspective to what you are actually seeing when you draw or paint on location.

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    @Jbeihl Thanks for checking out my sketchbook. The mirror trick is a good idea. I have started drawing from life more with still life, it is a good idea to do landscapes from life as well to practice perspective.

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    Hi PKaurk, I wanted stop by and say thanks for your encouraging words. Your still life and gestures are a great motivation; This week I will be adding those to my studies. I will visit your SB often to track progress, take care PKaurk.

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    Hey, I am also trying to get to 10,000 hours! I didn't know anyone else was timing their drawing. I'm at 1930 hours now. Very close to 2,000! Anyway, I've seen a lot of good advice from other people on your thread. I also want to add that... drawabox tutorials recommend you draw in pen for their exercises. I think you should sometimes try drawing gestures in pen, too. It can really improve your confidence of line.

    Also, you're doing a lot of practice, which is great, and I know you feel like you have a lot of kinks to work out before you're a skilled artist... but there will always be a greater skill level to achieve. I think you should alternate your practice drawing with imagined drawings. Maybe even try to apply what you've practised that day to your imagined drawings. It will really reinforce what you've learned and help you to learn to draw your own work confidently.

    Also, I recommend Michael Hampton's figure drawing book. Best of luck and keep it up!

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    @NeonGraffiti Thanks for stopping by, glad to see my practice is motivating others.

    @mdog Can't wait to get to 1,930 hours! I do tend to erase and re-draw gestures sometimes which probably takes away some of the value of the exercise. I just think my technical ability is greatly lacking and I need to understand the theory before applying it. I have begun to apply what I've learnt to drawings of heads from imagination, once I'm a bit more confident with figure drawing I'll start to incorporate poses from my imagination. Michael Hampton's book is definitely on my list. I appreciate your comments.

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    Didn't manage to get much gesture practice in today. I did try to do this with a fine liner but I think the paper was too rough/textured to use fine liner and had to keep going over my lines. Will try again tomorrow on smooth paper.

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    More heads from imagination.

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    Trying to apply perspective more to my still life, I used a toy car as reference but didn't copy the reference exactly. I think it may have helped to use a perspective grid? Will continue to try to apply perspective to life.
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    Started studying the skull from Loomis' book.

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    I forgot I said I would do gesture with a fine liner today, next time I will.

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    I did plan on drawing the other shoe but I think I'll save it for tomorrow.

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    All I can say is keep on working on the fundamentals! You've got lots of potential, and consistently practicing will lead to improvement
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