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    hey, you are getting much better
    as for your fear, you can┤t destroy your paintings. they can only get better with more hard work and sweat put into them(and if not, there is a handy tool called eraser )
    keep on drawing, the sp is very good.

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    @Darkside: thank you,
    sure there are erasers but it doesn┤t work as you want



    Ok i did this tight rendering even yesterday,
    it become more difficult now because i draw very light generally
    and to get the really dark areas here i have to be brave
    the left side of the face will be very dark (and the right one very bright)

    first step rendering:



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    related to the rendering,
    is there a hidden trick to get smooth gradiations

    Would you prefer me to go on like i started
    kind of "layering" the values with fine lines

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    yeah aweful rendering...

    just noticed that the left eye is a bit to high in comparison...

    i will quit here and try somewhere new



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    ahh that was relaxing



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    I was just about to say, this sp is coming along very well and now you're announcing that you won't finish it?? Finish it! The rendering is not bad at all and you could still work on that eye. Even if you don't, just finish it... you won't lose anything, just gain experience!

    I like the last pieces a lot! Are they from ref? You're really getting better and better. keep it up.

    cheers.t

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    look, i updated my location just for you, xaya! you should be honoured!

    anyhow...the sp looked better before the shadows, yes, but nevertheless i think you could more than make it up again by getting away of those exact boundaries between light and dark. as in blur them a bit...look at the original lighting if you can...the problems definitely there....

    the eyes on the other hand are beautifully rendered, and look really round, deep n' shiny, and the reflection off the skin is great too...just right! only the shadows are a bit too sharp, thats all!

    the last one is very good indeed, youre getting great at womens faces slowly, and theyre looking really loose!!

    check out my sketchbook sometime, when you get the chance!

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    @t.m0 : thanks, well u and ODT persuade me! I already redo the sp,
    and it become even better...
    I don┤t want to say it but the rendering was more
    guessing than watching.... *i am such a idiot*
    The last sketch is done with little help from references
    but i just looked at those for 2 sec (to get a perspective to draw)
    and started to draw what i remember and add other features...
    so it is actually without references
    (those aren┤t very complex perspectives!)

    @ODT : thank you,too just shout at me if i get lazy... i need that *g*

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    yeah, you gotta finish it, yo. thats the point, is to go further then you've gone in the past, and learn more things. one thing to keep in mind, I don't know if you are doing it on purpose, but you are shading in all the same direction. it flattens out the features. check out Androids sketch thread, and the drawing of marko. He uses the lines going all different directions. And, of course, any old masters will show you this as well.

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    @jetpack42: thank you man, i did not really realized this with the pencil direction... although i know that you have to go after the shape and volume
    of your object; following it...

    ok i will try to force it next time

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    my sb... after smearing with rubber and redrawing



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    great!! looks just like you! haha

    that bit of lightening of the shading made all the difference, though on this photo now i cant see some of the things i really liked on the last one...like the detailed eye and the slight shine on the cheek...hope they're still there!!

    glad to see you use winamp, a TRUE media player!!

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    @ODT: really thank you, the details still exist, i just can┤t hold the cam

    Ok here some sketches i did on friday and saturday (i had no time do something the last days)
    they are all done without reference and really fast
    here we go:


    thing the body is too small



    i think i really pick this sketch and work it out



    i finish this one at another paper drawing the whole body


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    looking good. its important to practice from imagination too. so kudos to you. don't forget to try and shade with the forms! It will really make your drawings more believable!

    Last edited by jetpack42; November 2nd, 2004 at 05:28 AM.
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    Hey

    you're really getting good with faces... I specially like the dude with the flying hair! keep it up

    cheers.t

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    @jetpack42: thank you, i want to post some sketches i drew today
    but to improve my work i still work on them

    @t.m0: thank you, would be nice if i am bit able to draw faces after thousends of sketches...

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    what a week...
    first i can┤t get online because of some trouble with my provider
    (payment was changed)
    so i had no internet for about 14 days.... a damn experience, man!

    Than i kicked my 300Ç digicam so that it doesn┤t work anymore...
    (don┤t want to think about the repair-price)

    Because of this something happens:
    first i drew really a lot about a dozen of papers
    unfortunely i can┤t show you any of them

    but i uploaded 4 with i done at November 2. and 3.

    perhabs there is a fast way to upload the other...


    thats my mom; done in about 20 min (life drawing!)


    some illustration back


    reference was a chinese, who is doing joga
    did some changes


    just doddling in a better way

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    i not learn that fast...
    do you noticed that almost all line have a 90░ direction...

    PS:it isn┤t a dozen it about 20 pages... perhabs i get them up someway!

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    you've got some great drawings in this sketch book. That SP you were working turned out really good. I've been trying to learn how to do penciled rendered sketches myself, so it's great to see other artists process. Really sorry to hear about your digi-cam! hope you can get a cheap scanner to replace it so you can keep posting new art!

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    eliWolff: thank you

    Ok i went home to my family and used the digicam of my brother, buh!
    ( i live alone in a small flat because of my school location)

    not that good quality in contrast but i think u can see what it should show...

    here we go:


    some small doddling with charcoal - few minutes

    fast sketch - reference a scene of the movie metropolis

    one minute sb

    charcoal

    just some experiments with primitiv forms - 2 min

    some more charcoal sketches - ref. used

    anatomy sketches

    charcoal 2min. - ref. used

    doddling around - 15 min

    i used a ref for the head - didn┤t know how she should sit... 20min



    live drawing of myself... - 15min

    live drawing of my hand - 5 min

    live drawing of myself - 20 min - arms are too long i think

    live drawing of myself

    some magazine copy

    sb with enviroment

    female anatomy

    very like that piece - ref. used - 5 min

    once more myself and my right hand - 25 min

    magazine cover

    doddling with charcoal

    buhh...

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    mhh... well u have to wait til next weekend to see some more.
    I really force myself doing some renderings,
    also i give you some colored things.

    I look around if there is a good offer for a scanner.
    My digicam i give to repair earliest on tuesday...
    but i think this will take some more time to reuseable-status


    Please help analysing my mistakes!

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    xy13 has some nice rendering going on and is getting accurate. Now I'd revisit an anatomy book to see your mistakes. You'll remember those mistakes next time you go to draw a bicep. The drawing from a magazine cover looks like it has a better understanding of form than some of the other ones. Try to make as many of your drawings from life so that you're drawing normal people who haven't had the quirks of anatomy and light airbrushed out of them. So many magazine covers have models who magically have perfect cylender necks. Keep up the good work.

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    thank you Joeslucher
    i think this is a good thing you mentioned.

    Currently i just look if the proportions (not that skilled by now)
    and the shapes are more or less correct.
    Rendering stuff i will focus more in future.

    Say, do you smear your lines or do you really normally work with lines in your renderings? (cross hatch...)

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    yo, good looking stuff. You are starting to get the hang of varying your line directions, and its working out well. its a difficult thing to learn, i still struggle with it, but its just a matter of doing it wrong, and doing it a little righter the next time. Sometimes it takes a hundred mistakes. No worries though, just keep drawing. As far as proportions go, use angles and negative shapes to help you spot them. visually compare things across your drawing. If you are drawing from life, look back and forth quickly from the subject and the drawing and back to the subject and back to the drawing....you will spot your mistakes. As far as smudging goes...the important thing is edges. If something has a hard edge, it needs a hard edge. if something has a soft edge, it needs a soft edge. pay attention to the edges, and render accordingly. (things have a harder edge if the planes change faster, they have soft edges if the planes are slowly rolling away)

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    thank you jetpack,
    well i know all of those techniques (negative shapes etc.)
    but it is really a thing of practise, isn┤t it?

    I also thought about if there is a way to burn -imaginable- the object you want to draw into your head for some seconds so that u can see it on your paper and draw after that... but probably human brain can┤t remember all the lines...

    nevermind

    the thing with smearing i want to find out...
    do you smear doing drawings?
    Sometimes it just looks like it, because the gradient is so smooth...

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    yeah...it most definitely is practicing...

    you probably can improve your visual memory that way. it would just take lots of practice. I don't see why it couldn't be done. it might be more useful to just train your eyes to see things properly though.

    I don't hardly ever smear when I'm using a pencil. I like to get the edge I'm going for by working a gradient. I feel like it looks stronger that way, more confident, and ultimately, its easier to control. I can't control smearing...but i can control how dark I lay down the pencil. I'm working on being more patient and controlled with my lines too. but enough about me...

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    I don't smear my pencil drawings but I'm terrible with pencil so I'm no authority. If you do smear, never use your finger to smear, use a blending stump since it won't have oils in it. Most people seem to despise smearing. If you look at Marko's stuff on the mainpage, for his pencil drawings he just uses an old dirty blending stump to create the soft midddle value. Everybody has different techniques

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    Me was learned and i learned myself that smearing is not fine.
    I am totally agree with you Joeslucher.
    But when i see some of this super-realistic Drawings
    with this tight gradients...

    ok, how i said i did a shopping day,
    buying new GOOD brushes, oil colors (Lukas Studio - must be good enough for diving deeper in materiae)
    canvas, equipment, and so on finally stuff for 115,62 Ç
    I think i am on a good way destroy this "miser" attidute!

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    What a week, really had no time doing anything....

    nevertheless i did some pencil doddles yesterday evening (while watching tv)

    Perhaps you get a sb with oil colors today... we will see.

    Xaya






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    lookin good. you are varying the line direction a little...but I think you should still push it. bring on the oil SP!

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    ok ok, here is the promised oil painting,
    i am not finished yet, although i worked about 2 and more hours

    Third oil painting at all!
    First with my own Lukas Studio Oil colors!
    (fine buttery!)

    do you make undercoats?.... i did some on my first 2 paintings
    (will show you them sometime)
    but not here (cotton canvas).

    It looks rather like me, just a bit better!



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