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    I agree with thirdeye; you'll know when you'vel earned something when it just comes to you as you're drawing. You'll try to draw a torso and suddenly you can picture exactly how the pectoral muscles would look in that position. It just...pops in there, since you've looked at so much reference. It's becomes natural.

    I don't know if this has been mentioned, but here's a good site for getting started with shifting one's mindset in regards to drawing heads:

    http://www.anticz.com/heads.htm

    It definitely healped me =P

    Good luck!


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    A lot of improvement, good job Sorry I don't have much advice for you that hasn't been said already. I do notice your drawings are rather light. Are you just using one pencil or do you switch between different pencils? Just wondering...keep on drawing!
    Ok, I'm done posting... Back to drawin'!

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    Those gestures are really good ! Next time you do those, you could try to flesh them out a bit more (start like those, then add circles or so for the joints (elbows, knees), and simple forms for the body parts (spine, chest, shoulders, hips, arms, legs, feet). This also goes for every drawing, be it from memory or a copy from reference ... start with the simple forms, get the proportions right, only then go to the details and the rendering ... you're already doing this in your last drawings actually, I really like that portrait of your brother.
    Keep studying Loomis, I am going through the books in pretty much order as they are written, but I jump from one book to another if I feel I'm lacking in that area (figure - head - perspective ... hands not yet), I'm not sure if that's the best approach, but it works for me. The most important I think, is just to keep going ... strive to improve your knowledge, not to perfect it the first time you go through the books.

    Great advice from thirdeye ! That could have been a description of my own approach, lol. Not even sure if I said anything new above, heh.

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    lavhoes: Thanks for the link bud, it is good stuff. It's very much the same as loomis' approach.

    SirRon: Thanks for the encouragement. It depends at the time, sometimes I use one pencil, and try and get the biggest range out of that as possible, and sometimes I use a couple. When I did the life drawing stuff below, I used something light to do a quick sketch underneath, and then I went over in a darker pencil.

    NightVision: Sorry it took so long to reply, but I did take your advice to heart, and have been working on that since you posted. I started using Vilpuu's approach, then combined Vilpuu and Loomis, and now I am pretty much doing what Loomis says in his book.

    Here is some new stuff. My mom has had some problems with her computer, and thus I haven't been able to transfer any scans from her computer to mine until today.

    So, her goes.

    From my first life drawing session ever. I had tonnes of fun, it was about 3 hours, and I am going to go every weekend if possible.
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    Another from that same session. The model was holding a long pose
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    And, this is done with photo reference. I like how these turned out, they were more of a rendering study then anything. My main inspiration is Thirdeye's rendering, because I really love the way it looks and feels.
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    K, I did this with reference. It took me a while, first I had to kind psych myself up to do all the detailed stuff, because I didn't know where to start etc.. Then, Once I was going, it was lot's of fun, but I don't know how long it took. This is more of a rendering/style study, and I am happy with it. Although, I realize now that the front filter is way off. Anyway, I can't wait until I can do this without ref.

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    Ok, I had a very productive day today, I was drawing a lot and it was tonnes of fun, so without out further bla bla her are the pictures.

    this is acctually from a few days ago. Some arms with ref, and then the start of an actualy creature thing. It was kewl because it was the first time that I could acctually come up with something and put it on paper from my head, it was really exciting. It is inspired big time by thirdeye.
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    Arms studies and then a very muscular arm with ref. Thanks again for the arms stuf Thirdeye.


    Question: Can anyone give me tips on posing figures. Anything at all, that you think might help. I am trying to use Loomis' simpler manakin, but I find it hard to get posed right.

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    No one has any comments for me?

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    Quick image dump, I'll talk later. All unfinished, not going to finish or gesture.
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    An attempt at rendering this guy. I really need to stretch the values further.
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    And, this is the start of something new I am going to try. I am going to come up with atleast one idea everyday, i.e. chracter, environment, w/e. It may just be a scribble, and I am not worried about it being anatomically correct, it is just to get the creativity going. Sometimes I feel like I have a lack of ideas, so it is more of an inpriational kind of exercise, for creativity.
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    PLEASE REPLY!!!!


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    hi !

    its looking good, keep on practising !

    one thing to think about, try to give your form extra shapes, not bigger lines, more roundness in the shades, the latest head you posted tells me that you need to figure out more how to draw a "3d" shape, and not to shade a piece of paper if you understand what im trying to explain... compare it to the gasmask renderstudy... that one has alot of form and shape, you need to copy that way of thinking and viewing as you did there into your imagination...


    i'll stop rambling now


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    Thanks very much for the reply. Your critique is really informative, and just what I need.

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    Went to another life drawing session today. This is now my second, and it was just as fun as the first, especially knowing what to expect going in. Anyway, it was along pose and here is what I have. Overall I am happy with it. I can see lot's of stuff wrong with it, mainly her left leg really buggs me, the outside of her calf is way to round. Plus I didn't make the left side of her body dark enough. O well, things to keep in mind next time. It also is way to small, and I need to work on using the whole page.

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    K, here is a quick one. Done with ref from an awesome magazine I found lying around. If you ever need refs for muscles, grab a muscle mag, duh, tonnes of full page pictures of crazy muscle, not just guys either. I tried to push the values more on this one.

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    Hi Sanby,

    Great thread, youve made ALOT of progress with your anatomy. ANd good values too! You should try figuring out the planes of the head a bit more so you can block them out, I think it will make your heads alot stronger! If you can get ahold of a PDF or hardcopy of some Andrew Loomis, he's the best for that IMO.

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    Thanks, I have got the pdfs of the loomis books and I printed them out. The thing that I found hard about the plains of the head, was that he only has one picture, from like a 3/4 angle. So, I found it tough to do, and I stopped for a while. Maybe it was just that I found it hard in gneral and I came up with an excuse and woosed out. I'll get back at i though.

    thanks for the kind words.

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    K, some quick stuff before I get back to it.

    WIP from ref
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    And, just random stuff, trying to just draw w/e onto one big page layout, like wes900's awesome drawings
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    Hey, yeah its tough to learn, thats why I have about 50 pagesof heads, haha. But once you get the basic planes down, even just a stright on shot, thats all you need and then you can turn the head in any direction. Of course its a little more difficult than that but it makes certain angles just make more sense. Looking at Gabo's work in that area helps too. He does a great job with the planes of the head.
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    Thanks again for the reply and the link, I'm going to look throgh all fo his stuff, and learn what I can from it.

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    K, this guys face rendered. I am pretty happy with this, I didn't use any reference. Only thing that bugs me is a the filter on the side arghh, o well

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    Hey Sanby,
    Nice work, the ref'd stuff is looking much better nice values and shading, forms are also looking fine. Great life session piece - probably one of your best drawings I've seen so far. I can see that applying anatomy and shading studies to your own concepts is still a bit of a problem but it's gonna get better with time. Just have to practice it.

    Don't get discouraged by lack of replies - people are always watching esp. the threads that update often and which show dedication, but sometimes they just don't have anything to say. Just keep doing your work and eventually the replies will come.

    Keep up the good work mate

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    I did this yesterday but didn't have time to post. IT is a page of hands, if you can't tell, done with ref.

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    More hands. Worked on heavy foreshortening.

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    Your are doing good progress here, the life studye of that
    woman siting on january 29, has some nice flow
    on the interlocking of shading shapes, and a good sence
    of bulk, it shows tons of potencial!! keep doing those!

    In the hands you just made, try to think of them as geometrical
    objets in prespective, start using a cubic prismas, of diferent
    shapes to depic the posicion of the fingers, and palm in the space,
    dont copy just the outline, force your brain to think in 3D,
    aside that, a good way to know if you are getting the proporcions
    right is checkng the negative spaces surroding the
    hands, check this thread at SOFA:
    http://www.tsofa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=253

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    Quick, before I go to bed. Done with a ref shot from Troy. It doesn't look like Brad Pitt, at least I don't think it does. But, I am proud of it, it was fun, but after scanning it, looking at it, flipping it and looking some more, I think I might go back because a few areas bug me, mainly, the left side of his helmet, comes way to far out and looks demented.

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    K sorry for the shitty pictures, but I am not even going to pretend that I'll get better ones wup, cause I won't. These are from another life drawing session. Plus I found out the guy that own the place is starting a an instructed class, so I am super stoked cause I think it's gonna help a lot. If anyone is in the Toronto area, check out Sketch Studios, they are starting a class that is for people who want to learn to draw out of thr heads

    15 min I think
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    I think 3 min
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    Hey, those are some nice figure drawings. YEah the picture is a bit dark but the poses ou drew are good. The last couple are a little bit wonky but above those the figures are pretty nice and they are hard poses with the twist of the torso. I lke your brad Pitt too, pretty cool.

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    Thanks bud. the last couple were fairly near the begining of the session so I was still warming up to it Plus it was a quick sketch session, and I had never tried to sketch anything like that, in 2 min. I still need a lot of work on it, to get things down quickly. Btw, I've been checking your sketchbook regularly, and it's a constant source of inspiration.

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    Don't feel like talking right, I just want to know if their is something I can do to keep my pencil sketches from smudging, and consequentely getting blurred when they are in my sketchbook?

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    Heya. Thread is looking great btw. I always enjoy seeing progress in action.

    As far as the smudging goes, you could spritz things with a bit of fixative once you get home etc, but that tends to smell fairly awfull. While the smell fades, I imagine over time it would really build up in a sketchbook. Another option is to put tracing paper, glassine, or transparent vellum etc in between pages. That helps quite a bit. A third option, my favorite, is to take things out of the notebook as soon as they're done and store them properly. You don't get to have that cool bound sketchbook thing going on then, but it's safer.

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    hi sanby!

    i read all the post from the beginning to the end (but did skim read thru some of them....hahahaha)....it was like a journey of your artistic learning, I can see that you've made a MASSIVE improvement in your drawing skills...KEEP IT UP!....

    by the way...i also read that no 1 has replied to your 3D question yet or given you anything on 3D...you dont HAVE to know how to draw to model 3D stuff (although it WILL help....cos i have some friends that don't know the first thing about drawing but CAN model pretty decent stuff) hehehehe

    anyways...if you are still interested in the 3D thing i'd say look in the 3D department in the other forums....they're excellent!

    erm....i've done 3D myself too ..blah blah blah

    heres some examples some of my 3D stuff ....not impressive but its just some pics i found sitting in my hard drive.....YIKES!

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    the next one went really wrong....and so i didnt finish it...never will!

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    anyways....hope they inspire or something????....well yeah....i guess not...hahahahaha

    good luck with the rest of the drawing thing!...keep at it!

    p.s. after you've seen the pics..i'll take them off...cos i dont know if i'm allowed to put my stuff up.....
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