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    Thanks for the comments.

    Craig Houghton: Thanks for the encouragement. It's good to hear, and it helps keep me going.

    Undertow: Thanks for the comment, and the tip. I think I know what your talking about, and I'll give it a shot for sure. BTW, would you be able to post an example, just for referance?

    With that said, her are two more.

    Another gun, I did for fun. Man, my straight lines really aren't straight, I need to work on that.
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    And, you guessed it, more Bridgeman Not overly happy with these though, I have to go back and drwa them a few more times. They are getting closer as I draw more, but still not as good as I'd like them.
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    I'll post another drawing I did today later. I haven't scanned it yet, and I'd rather play Battlefront.

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    Great studies! I'm seeing a vast improvement from your first posts. Keep it up!
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    Xpose, thanks for the encouragement.

    Anyway, as a promised here are two more sketches.

    Many of my friends don't have the same lunch period as me, so it is extremely boring. I have taken to hanging out with this guy in the art room and just sketching. It's a great time for it. Anyway, today he as painting something for an assignment so I grabbed one of his paint tubes and sketched it. It's not exactly like the real thing, but it's fairly close. I pleased with it because not that long ago I wouldn't have been able to do it at all. That said, I still need a lot bore work on sketching the shape acurately and getting values down properly.
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    This is my touque. It was for an assignment in class. Not overly pleased with this one but hey, whatcha gonna do?
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    Ok, I've been bad and I slacked off for a few days and didn't draw anything. One day I was exhausted I fell asleep really early, but the other days I have no excuse. So, I tried to pick up some of the slack and what I have here is the result of that. Some of these are from school, for a project.

    This is my standard Bridgeman inclusion. Still working on it, and still can't get things proportionally correct.
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    I sketched this last night while in bed. It's the only teddy bear I have in my room. I got it from my uncle I believe, the day I was born. Anyway, it was really light so I brought the contrast up a bit and brought down the brightness. That's why the back is grey.
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    These three are sketches from school.

    (Out of magazines)
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    My own creation
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    Again, my own creation, The wings are a bit messed up I realize. The forshortening is off.
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    BTW, if I were to shade that teddy bear, how would I do it so that it looks like a soft texture?

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    Here is a quick one before I go to bed. I've stayed up too late as it is, playing Half-Life2. I drew this last night out of the bridgeman book. I decided a rest from drawing arms was a good idea.

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    K, another update and 2 questions.

    I found that during a school project where we had to sketch buggs out of magazines, I found a lot of inspiration for robots. Anyway, the bugs were what I was supposed to be drawing but I got a little off track.
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    Also from the same project. This time, I was on track though. Neither are finished.
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    Now, on to the questions.

    1. Not very important, but I am interested to know. I generally sketch with the same 2B pencil, and I go through it pretty damn quick from sharpening it so often. How long does it take you to finish a pencil?

    2. K, now on to a bit more serious stuff. My art teacher is going to take a bunch of us downtown to go for a three hour life drawing session. Apparently these sessions happen every weekend, and you can get in for about $10. I am really excited to go, but I have never done any figure drawing before. How should I approach it, and do you have and tips for me to keep in mind.

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    Nice stuff,

    I can see that you are a rookie but i'm already seeing some good things. There's still bunch of things for you to work on like anatomy and values.
    The only advice I have for you though is to work daily - it's the most important thing for a beginner to draw daily. Whenever you have time. Even 10 minutes of drawing on a bus is better than not drawing at all.

    Keep it up. Draw every day. Work some more on shading and spend a bit more time on your drawings - f.e. do some lineworks and than finish one. Don't care about the pencils and paper - this are only the tools, they use up, get destroyed, lost and loads of other stuff - but what you never loose is what you've learned with them. Play with them.

    Try using mechanical pencils maybe.

    My tips for figure drawing would be - don't concentrate on details too soon, try to draw the overall form first - get the proportions good than do some shading etc. Learning anatomy always helps.
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    Hi Sanby
    I am really impressed with how much progress you have made since oct 4th.
    About that pencil question you asked, 0.5mm pencils never need sharpening but personally I do not like to use them. To keep a pencil sharp, I just keep sharpening it,as annoying as that is. Or depending on the pencil type you can keep rotating it and working on its most pointed part/dull part. I do use a 2.00 mm lead holder and I can go through 1 in 2 days if I use a pencil a lot. Maybe try a ball point pen now and again? They never seem to run out of ink.
    About the teddy bear shading question, I guess I would try out small patches of what ever his fur looks like on some other peice of paper, and then try to copy whatever light pattern I like from life. Fur texture I find rather difficult so I often test a lot if I don't feel confident and even then sometimes it is a failure.
    Godluck with the life drawing session!

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    1. Not very important, but I am interested to know. I generally sketch with the same 2B pencil, and I go through it pretty damn quick from sharpening it so often. How long does it take you to finish a pencil?

    2B's go, fast. I kill 2Bs without even using them as my main pencil. If you try and keep them sharp they go in no time flat.

    If I'm home and have everything on hand, I do an initial sketch with a 4H wood or a .03mm H mechanical, then I draw over it with an HB, and then I use a 2B for the darks. I alternate back and forth, but my point is that I only break out the 2B when necessary.

    2. K, now on to a bit more serious stuff. My art teacher is going to take a bunch of us downtown to go for a three hour life drawing session. Apparently these sessions happen every weekend, and you can get in for about $10. I am really excited to go, but I have never done any figure drawing before. How should I approach it, and do you have and tips for me to keep in mind.

    For a while I attended a local 6$ per session life drawing thingy. They've since stopped the program, but as soon as they get going I'll be right back there. It's a fantastic experience. I definitely recommend bringing a minimum of tools and just trying to get the basic forms and values down. Personally, I like using a middle ground to dark grey paper along with a dark and a light valued pastel. Alternately you could just use a pencil. It's more an excercise in seeing. Oh, and the weirdest thing is.. it gets quiet. I've heard this from others as well. All you can usually hear is the sound of pencils (or whatever) on paper. It's a bit weird in that way.

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    thirdeye: I have not been as consistent as I would like to been when it comes to drawing daily I am getting better, but I still need to work on it. Thanks for the advice though, I am going to start carrying alittle sketch book with me everywhere so if there is a moment, I can draw. Thanks also for the advice on figure drawing. It is going to come in handy big time when I go.

    grudge: Thanks for the reply. It looks like I am going to have to stock up on pencils : ) also, I guess I will try working on the teddy bear again. I'll have to play around.

    Craig Houghton: I am going to try what you said. Mainly, I always sketch with the same pencil, but I'll brake out some of the others now. Thanks for the info on the life-drawing session. I am not sure what to expect, so I good heads up and some info is great. At least now I won't freak out when everybody gets all quiet. I haven't really drawn with anything but a pencil, but I ahve seen many many figre drawings done in pastel or charcoal. Maybe I'll get both and give them both a go to see how I like them

    Thanks for the replies. I don't have any picture right now, but I will later.

    I do have a few more questions.

    I ahve noticed on some drawings, that the initial quick sketch was done in blue and then the good part was done in regular pencil. Are these special technical blue pencils, or just pencil crayons?

    Also, that Bridgeman book is great, but I find it hard to differentiate between different muscles. What book would I find a good outline of all the muscles in? Loomis?

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    Hey Sanby, you made a lot a progress since your first post. A suggestion is to work on your line work instead of linework + shading. Shading gets in the way, its like the 2nd level, how can you do that if you cannot conquer the 1st level (linework) first? what you could work on is line weight to indicate the shadows. for example a ball- darker at the bottom of the ball and very light at the top where the light hits the ball. What I do like though is that i notice that your current drawings are not fuzzy like your first ones, that shows confidence.

    a suggestion for preparing for your life drawing class is learning proportions and if you look at that loomis site he has a grid for it. Trust me, it makes A HUGE DIFFERENCE. For your first time, i would say not to get caught up in drawing the face, more of getting the whole picture. You want the legs to look as if it can support the body- again loomis has pages and pages on this stuff.

    Hmm on learning anatomy, I dont really recommend bridgeman, his stuff is advanced in my opinion. All i can say is make sure you know your muscles and dont cheat out of it by learning his massing of muscles way. Its fine if you know the muscles first but dont jump straight into just massing muscles. Further more, try not to just copy, you can get pix of arms and try to draw the muscles in with a pen. personally i study from jeno barscays book then i go back to look at bridgemans. trying to draw different poses of the arm/whatever from your imagination with the knowlege you have of the muscle placement will make a difference.

    On your pencil thing, what i do is i just use regular HB pencils- I bought a huge pack of them, like 6 boxes of 12 pencils each. its less than 5 bucks and its been lasting me. KNow that these are just sketches and studies so no need to go fancy .But i did buy a staedler brand pack of 16 pencils ranging from 6h-8b for more of final artwork type things.

    goodluck and I hope some of this jabbering helped

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    Thanks for the response LadyLioness.

    I took your post to heart and tried to work on what you suggested. I grabbed my gas mask and started to draw it with no intention of shading it. I tried to work on nice smooth lines, but I still find it very hard. I also am having huge difficulties with drawing round stuff, such as the filters on the mask. Any tip son how to improve on this?

    BTW, this is only half done, the left filter and the little breathing thing on the front aren't complete. I kind gave up on them. I know that's bad, but I just couldn't get the elipses right. I am going to go back and try it again soon.
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    Thanks to a thread I found were someone posted a link to download loomis's books, I now have started on how to draw heads. I know you said to not focus on the head, but I have seen this study done by so many people so many times that I really wanted to try. I am going to move onto the body real soon though. For now, here is my start with the head study. Can people give me feedback about how to improve on these?

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    And yes, your jabbering did help

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    Hello again Sanby...

    I ahve noticed on some drawings, that the initial quick sketch was done in blue and then the good part was done in regular pencil. Are these special technical blue pencils, or just pencil crayons?
    (look I found the quote tool!) anyway, I'm not exactly sure what your referring to by blue lines, but a "COPY NOT" pencil came to mind when I read your question. As near as I can tell from playing around with a copy not and my scanner; they scan as blue in color scan mode, they scan not at all in black and white mode, unless you use a lot of pressure. Maybe those are the blue lines you were asking about.

    Also, that Bridgeman book is great, but I find it hard to differentiate between different muscles. What book would I find a good outline of all the muscles in? Loomis?
    I use Brune Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy. It has good outlines of muscles, but it is a headache to read.

    Not owning a gas mask I can't really comment on the one you posted I have also been recently working on the head, some from Hogarth and some from that plastic head plane model thing, so I'll comment as I can. The last head third row down is the most convincing to me, the jaw line reads nicely and the brow ridge/nose seem correct, something about the shape of the cranial mass does seem incorrect to me. Take my advice with a grain of salt though, as I am still learning this stuff myself.

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    Well, here is another update.

    More head studies from bridgeman. I am starting to get better, but still need some guidance.

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    these are two quick sketches of my dad playing trumpet, and by bro at his computer. I had to mess with the levels though cause I drew them super light.

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    And, finally another SP. I am going to start working alot more on these. It is a huge leap from my first one, but I kinda look like a cross between me and I don't know what. My lips are gigantic. I also had to up the levels in this one.

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    grudge: THanks for the reply. I will try and find an example of what I am talking about, but I don't think that we are talking about the same thing, becaues when I was at Sheridan college I saw a picture up that had the blue sketch underneath. Also, I'll look into Brune Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy and see if I want to buy it : )

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    Ok, I have two new SP's here. I think I will start trying to do at least one of these a day. I don't have a good back ( I was born with it) so, by the end of these I was in so much pain. I was sitting on the floor cross legged in front of a mirror, and wow, did it hurt.

    I know the eyes are completely different but I left them because they were drving me insane!
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    I decided to the throw on the gas mask just for fun.
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    BTW, I just noticed on my last post, I posted the images wrong. I fixxed them now, so if you decided to reply, can you take a look at that stuff too?

    Thnx

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    hey sanby

    i can see progress on the sp's, keep at it

    try to pay more attention to line wieght tho.(lay down some dark contours where the shadows are and etc.) it will improve your work so much

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    Ok, I am on a three day streak, of drawing a SP a day. WooHoo! I tried to work aon line weight like you sidi arghmisfit, but I need lot's more practice.

    Here is one I did in Painter.
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    Ok, fine I didn't do it in Painter. I took a picture of myself so you can see what I really look like, and compare it to my SP's. I kinda look pissed off or something tho. O well.


    So, here is today's. The eyes are really driving me nuts. I read somewhere that the eyes are one of the most importan things ( that and mouth I think it was) If you get those right, then you can screw up everything else and still recognize the person. I am not sure how I am doing with these, because after staring at myself for a while in the mirror, it kind of distorts your judgement I think. So, can you let me know if their is any resemblance?

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    And, because those eyes were driving me krazy, I decided to try and work on them up close. (Plus their is half a hand I started to draw)

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    This is one I did in class. It took a bit over an hour. It's done on newsprint, cause the teacher had my sketchbook. Man, I hate drawing on newsprint.

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    Dude...amazing progress from the first image...
    Although i agree studying Bridgman is awesome...supplement and apply what you learn to everything...copy magzine using the same principles...

    Go to www.awn.com
    Do a search for Glenn Vilppu....print every single one of his lessons...study them in order...do not move on to the next lesson until you trully understand each one...

    Also check out The Human Figure by John Vanderpool..
    And purchase the Art of Star Wars Episode 1-2....gives you a general idea on where you might want to go with your art and how versatile you should be...

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    Newbie not seeing artwork?!!

    Hi, I just joined this forum and can't see any of the artwork. I used to visit this site some time ago and there used to be tons of stuff. Where is it?

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    I am sorry, I am not sure why you can't see any artwork, everything is working fine for me.

    bRyaN:, Thanks dude for the all the tips on the books to buy, this is exactly what I wanted. I am going to go right now and search for them. BTW, on that website, the articles I should be looking at are the articles in the magazine right? i.e. Vilppu Drawing Online: Gesture

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    Yea the magazines....

    He has many many many lessons and i recommend all of them....i printed them all up and take them everywhere i go...

    Also check out my sketch book, cause i had the same problem drawing eyes for a while so i focused a page on eyes...
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    K, a quick sketch before I go play some cs. This has been half done for weeks now, and so I finally decided to sit down and finish it.

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    All OK

    All OK. Got the images to display. I am using the new browser Firefox and there was this one thing in the preferences. Gee, got to put my glasses on to look at all this cool stuff!!!

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    Sanby,

    Glad to see that you're making progress - small steps but still

    I'd like to throw in my two cents on the topics you are having trouble with - anatomy and drawing circles/elipses.

    Two completly different problems - but one simple solution - practice.

    Circles and elipses are not hard to learn or understand. Only way to do that is by practice - you'd probably have to draw hundreds of them before your hand remembers it. What you have to do - draw a square and then inscribe a circle inside. With elipses - draw a square in pespective and do a similar thing. Draw small one and big ones - after making about 500 - you'll see the effects

    Anatomy - harder than circles but also do-able This is what you do - as someone already said - draw draw draw - everything - from books from photos from life - do not only draw so it looks similar to reality - but also try to understand. F.e. muscles - you won't learn by only drawing from pictures - you have to study it - to understand its structure, insertion points its reactions. This is the way to draw them from your head in the future. See mentler's sketchbook also About the SP's - look at android's daily SP thread - he said that eyes are the most important part of a good portrait - and he always starts with them.

    Hope this helps - Keep up the good work

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    Ok,

    thirdeye: Thanks for the huge reply. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I have been bogged down with school stuff the last few days. I finally have the chance to post again. I just re-read your post after a few days, and I am going to try and work on the circles on the weekend. As far as anatomy goes, I was just thinking this morning while drawing out of Loomis's figure drawing book that I am not sure if any of what I am doing is soaking in. I am drawing, but I am not sure how much of it I am acctualy remembering. I think some of it is slowly being internalized, because when I draw people from my head, that are starting to look like people. How would you suggest "studying" the anatomy? I find it hard to look at all the muscle names a bone names and associate those with anything, so it their a more visual way of doing it?

    Anyway, since I haven't posted for a while here is a big dump of stuff.

    Loomis hand and eye, and my own eye
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    Some doodles that I did while at my sisters dance performance thing
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    HAd serious lack of inspiration this day, and didn't know what to draw. When that happens I turn to my Bridgeman book, and I just sketch out of their. I find it inspirational, because I like the way he concetrates on form and exagerating it.
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    Stuff from the last two days at lunch out of Loomis' figure drawing
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    More loomis, kind crooked, but I get the theory behind it
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    LAstly, a SP from today. I haven't been succesful in my one per day, but I still have done a bunch. Those fucking eyes are still drving me crazy tho.
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    (((((Hey Sanby. One thing you can do to keep you pencil sharp is to just keep a sharpener handy. whenever your lead starts getting low just shapen it. I prefer to use drafting/ mechanicle pencils. you never have to shapen them. I find a 0.5 drafting pencil is really good for drawing. And thanks for checking out my stuff, and wising me up to my display prob.)))


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    liam.c : thanks for the reply and encouragement.

    Ok, here are todays sketches.

    This first one I did realy quickly to see if I could get the shape down fast (1-2 minutes)
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    These are some more hands. I enjoy drawing hands even though they are very difficult, I'm not sure why. I started drawing the hand on the right, a little too close to the edge, that is why it is cut off, it wasn't the scanner. The other thing is a pot that a plant is in.
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    I have a few questions also. Such as:

    What are some good books to get a hold of?

    This is a wierd one. When I draw, the pencil always get dull so quickly so I end up with really fat and furry lines. What do you guys to do to prevent this?
    I am intersted in 3D modeling and animation, that is why I want to get a solid foundation in drawing/painting. I am in grade 11, so I need to start looking to the future. I am thinking I would like to go to sheridan, but I am not sure exactly how to go about it. I saw another thread about something similar. If I take art fundies in my first year (years?) then I don't need a portfolio to get in? Then I can build one and move on to more advanced stuff, or the 3D thing? Anyway info would help, thanks.

    And, as always, please comment and give me some tips.


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    Grizz: Thanks for the tip. I do tend to keep a sharpener with me when I sketch. I have also fond a snadpaper pad that I keep with me as well.

    Anyway, I suck at updating. I haven't posted any stuff for way to long. I am going to try and get in the habit again of doing it daily. Here goes.

    These are gestures out of a comic book, which someone suggested to do. It really is wicked. Within ten minutes I could see an improvement. I started using more flowing, long strokes. My confidence increased, and it really helpd me to just let things flow, rather then to be really exact and have crappy line quality.
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    Out of an ad I found. It's not done, meh

    Sanby - Sheridan Portfolio stuff, I need Help!

    So I went ot a Barenaked ladies concert last tuesday, the 21st. We went out to a restaurant first and their I sketched my brother, he was sitting beside me.
    Sanby - Sheridan Portfolio stuff, I need Help!

    After that, we went to the concert hall, and their was this guy standing outside. So, when we got to our seats, I tried to sketch him from memory.
    Sanby - Sheridan Portfolio stuff, I need Help!

    Lastly, here is something inspired by Rowan, cause I love his sketchbook stuff.
    Sanby - Sheridan Portfolio stuff, I need Help!

    Sanby

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    Keep it up !!!

    Hey Sanby,

    Don't worry about replying late - I know what you mean - my school and work are also keeping me busy.

    About your question - I'm - lets say- intermediate in the anatomy study so I can't really give you one good way of learning it. I can only tell you my approach.

    Some time ago when I started learning anatomy I just learned the basics - about general muscle shapes etc. I tried applying it to my drawings and it kinda worked fine for me for some time. But later I noticed that I do most of the anatomy intuitive - without really knowing what is happening there. I thought about it and decided that it no longer satisfies me. So I'm learning anatomy from the begining. First: I decided to take small steps - I study one region of human body at a time to keep myself focused. I started with arms. Don't really know why, I know that I maybe should begin with the head or something else, but arms came first. I gathered as much materials about arms - books (Loomis, some polish books, some spanish e-books I found on the internet), photos and anatomy drawings for medical students (all found on the internet) photos of athlets and fitness models. Anything I could find on the internet and I considered worthy went right into a special folder on my hard drive. This way I have now a huge library of anatomy refs. I started drawing - first the bones. Arms are pretty easy - only three bones to remember so i also incorporated othre surrounding bones like scapula and clavicle - because they're linked. Than I started adding some muscles etc. And so on

    You're a begginer so try to learn more about proportions of the human body first - than go to details.

    What is more important for artist is not to know all the names and details but to know how it works. I dont need to know the names of the muscles that turn the forearm but I have to know how they look like, where they are and how will they behave etc. If you want to draw good human/animal figures from your head than you'll definitely need to know this.

    About remembering - don't worry that it's not soaking in immediately - because it just won't - you need a lot of practice to learn anatomy. You have to draw it at least couple of times to remember. Remember to think when you're drawing not just draw to make it look like in the picture but remember and try to understand.



    Recent stuff - it's getting better - I can still see progress - the linework is improving a lot although you still need to work on shading. I don't know - maybe it your scanner's fault that these are very light. If that's the case - try increasing contrast after scanning. If not - don't be afraid to use darker values. I'm assuming you're using HB or 2B - you can really get more darks out of them

    That's all from me - sorry to write that much - but you asked it
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    Thanks for that hefty reply man, it's very informative.

    I have decided to focus on the head as a starting point, and just work on that area. I decided this, just because it's at the top and that way I can work my way down, but at first, I was attracted to the muscles of the arms. Just the way arms look in different views, and how the muscles bulge and stuff when flexed.

    Yeah, I am using HB mostly, but it is kinda coming out really light. I think that it is acctually really light in my sketchbook, not really the scanners fault. I am going to work with the 2B a bit more I think, and I'll push the values a lot more. I was acctually trying to mimic your rendering style, along with a few other people who have similar styles. I like the softer look to it. But, I think I may have missinterpreted this softness as being lighter in value.

    And, don't worry about the long reply, it's awesome, because you gave me so much information.

    thanks again.

    Sanby

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