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    Worthless comments

    I've noticed this dubious trend going on on CA recently. And by trend a mean the act of litterling Sketchbooks with absolutley meaningless praise and "encouragement" comments.
    I think there is nothing wrong with complimenting the artist on a piece of work which is well done, but the comments i am referring to are to be found under nearly everything in the JPEG format. Even pieces with glaring issues aren't spared from this drivel. I really enjoy browsing through new sketches but half of the time a Sketchbook gets bumped it's because of some unwarranted praise and not the addition of new work or a constructive critique.

    So a question to the CA veterans: was it always an ass-patting-parade like this?

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    I think it's more noticeable as there aren't as many posts on a daily basis. I feel a SB crit week coming on.

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    I'm one of the dorks doing exactly that :p
    But honestly, what the majority see of mistakes I don't simply because I'm still too untrained, so to me when something looks good... it looks good! Non-artists see mine as good where those acquainted with doing art themselves usually facepalm and shake their heads I guess.
    Now, I'm getting into art again for the 74673465th time now and I go to FB and 'like' the images posted there. But in general, when I see something I think is cool, it is my honest opinion at the time and would like to express it. Even if the rendering might be waaaayyyyy off, the idea might be one of the more exciting and I'm the kind of person who likes to express positive stuff so geh...
    Ironically, I understand the problem since it has annoyed me too.

    It could be cool if there was a feature where you could categorize your posts as OP-update and critique for bumping, and then praise for non-bumping. Maybe even have those tier-like display they have on reddit so the 'irrelevant to other visitors' posts are hidden?
    At least I'd be sad if I can't go to whatever image/sketchbook I like and express I like it. Generally more negative than positive is expressed publicly on the internet, and I see this place to be more of a positive loaded place. Would hate to see if that went away

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    Lighten up a bit. If you feel like an artist is getting their ego stroked too much, just give them a nice constructive thrashing yourself. The problem with art communities usually isnt that there are too many nice comments but that criticism isnt given or accepted by the community at large. Dont see that happening here.

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    Trixtar, even someone starting out can see things that are wrong. Try looking at everything with a critical eye and think hard as to how it might be improved. This not only helps the person's art, but helps you as well by improving your judgement and making you consider how to solve problems. Now if people are posting studies and improving with each one, yes, encouraging sounds should be made, but are they avoiding still lives, colour etc. You then can ask if they have considered doing any because it might help.

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    Trixtar, even someone starting out can see things that are wrong. Try looking at everything with a critical eye and think hard as to how it might be improved. This not only helps the person's art, but helps you as well by improving your judgement and making you consider how to solve problems. Now if people are posting studies and improving with each one, yes, encouraging sounds should be made, but are they avoiding still lives, colour etc. You then can ask if they have considered doing any because it might help.
    I have always wondered how it would come across if I started to critique someone just a bit? I mean, you are right that sometimes I do see things that are off but always reach the conclusion 'ey, that's probably just me since nobody else seem to notice' or 'someone more entitled to say something should say it instead'.
    Does this forum has a thread on how to be an absolute (eternal) noob but still contribute constructively to the community? Or maybe I should start that thread myself when I have more time. Thanks for the input though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixtar View Post
    I have always wondered how it would come across if I started to critique someone just a bit? I mean, you are right that sometimes I do see things that are off but always reach the conclusion 'ey, that's probably just me since nobody else seem to notice' or 'someone more entitled to say something should say it instead'.
    Does this forum has a thread on how to be an absolute (eternal) noob but still contribute constructively to the community? Or maybe I should start that thread myself when I have more time. Thanks for the input though
    If you see something post a critique. CA turns to DA if everybody is too scared to post. If you can see something wrong others probably can too and the Original Poster might not see the mistake and keep making it. I'm guilty of thinking this too so I'm not one to talk.

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    I think one of the most valuable things I experienced while attending College was learning how to critique and take criticism. It's easy in this community for people to hold back and tread lightly so as not to offend anyone, but when your in a room face to face with 20 of your peers the last thing you want to hear is each person saying how much they love your work. As artists we seek each other out in order to collectively improve our abilities, and we as individuals don't improve unless the community holds us to a higher standard and tells us honestly and constructively what we can do to make our work better.

    I have never known what to do with praise, as you say it falls in the realm of "worthless comments". Sure; the ego in me likes to step back and see that others appreciate, enjoy, or are inspired by work that I've done, but I would much rather hear why you think my piece failed, technically or conceptually, than to endure meaningless compliments.

    It's difficult to know what level of dismantling criticism people are prepared for when they post something for critique, but in the aim of fostering a community of professional and aspiring professional artists I think we should all aspire to be as constructively blunt and honest as possible, while avoiding flowery praise.

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    Those are indeed very good reasons to do more than just 'Your art is awesome ' Hell if I want this to be DA!

    But I came to think of last time I was here like 1½ years ago or so. There were people who whined about not enough people viewed/commented on their sketchbooks and the general advice given was in fact to go visit the sketchbooks of others and throw a comment. If the only purpose is to get visitors to your own stuff I guess a lot would just write short random kiss-butt-notes that would mass bump?

    I will at least try and contribute more constructively, but I was thinking if instead of critiquing the skills, can I then give some constructive feedback on my overall impression of it?

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    Trixtar Check out the stickies in the Critique forum - tons of great tips there.

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    Am now gonna be a regular visitor to the critique section to learn both own art skills and to give/receive critique

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    That ending question in the opening post just made the you seem really arrogant and condescending.

    I get the idea that people seem to think CA is "big kid" territory and that only silly "little kids" would give out innocuous compliments. There's no need to look down on anyone in contempt.

    I agree with Benedikt's post. CA is open to critiques, and anyone who isn't simply doesn't belong here yet. There are plenty of people, like myself, who give out critiques when they have time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir-Cam View Post
    That ending question in the opening post just made the you seem really arrogant and condescending.

    I get the idea that people seem to think CA is "big kid" territory and that only silly "little kids" would give out innocuous compliments. There's no need to look down on anyone in contempt.

    I agree with Benedikt's post. CA is open to critiques, and anyone who isn't simply doesn't belong here yet. There are plenty of people, like myself, who give out critiques when they have time.
    Like i said, i think there is nothing wrong with giving compliments to good work, as long as it's not excessive. And if you think of my perception, that giving out praise to every piece of work, good or bad, is worthless and makes the compliments completely void, as being arrogant and condescending - so be it.

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