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    Book suggestions for composition and perspective

    Hey everyone.
    I have a growing collection of books from drawing the human head, figure drawing, dragons, colour and light..etc

    But something I do not have is anything specifically on perspective and anything on composition / layout.

    Could anyone make a suggestion for these 2? And explain why.
    I hope to some day be able to draw fantasy characters for companies like Applibot just to give people an idea of what I am going for. So it's not like I am drawing hundreds of buildings etc.. more like a character with a forest background for example.

    I already know the basics of perspective from back in school but I just wasn't sure if that's enough.

    Also whilst I have a thread starting.... is it worth purchasing a book on clothing / folds and creases? Some people have told me in the past they are not worth while and it's more beneficial just to study some clothing from life and photos using fashion magazines etc..

    Anyway I would really appreciate your opinions on this and if you think there's anything else I should be making priority instead / as well as?
    Thanks in advance

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    "Successful Drawing" and "Creative Illustration" by Loomis, "Perspective Made Easy" by Norling, "Visual Literacy" by Wilde, "Framed Ink" by Mateu-Mestre. You are welcome.

    As for the rest... if you don't learn how to draw buildings, your human figures probably won't be good either. Learn to draw everything. Thinking of specialization when you are just beginning isn't a good idea.

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    I was actually looking at successful drawing and creative illustration by Loomis as I heard there was composition and perspective within those books. Does it go into enough depth with just those for what I am after in your opinion, or would I need those others you named too?

    Let me rephrase that ... if I was to buy 2 books for now 1 on perspective and 1 on composition, which 2 would you pick to start with?
    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen H View Post
    I was actually looking at successful drawing and creative illustration by Loomis as I heard there was composition and perspective within those books.
    I love Loomis' books, but I think his presentation of perspective is poor...

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    Hmm that's what I was worried about, not that I have reason to think it..
    But the books are fairly expensive and as a student I cannot afford to just buy loads at once, Any suggestions?

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    Scott Robertson: how to draw

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    I believe Creative Illustration is advanced, and much of what is covered in Successfull Drawing is better presented elsewhere. For perspective, pick Norling or Raynes' Complete Guide to Perspective.

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    @Stonec - I have heard Scott Robinson is good for perspective, however I have minimum interest in mechanical / tech / vehicle type illustrations, is this book more aimed towards that sort of thing or is it the same no matter what? I mean in the sense of drawing human characters in perspective, although I know its the same principles, I wasn't sure if certain books would be better suited?

    @Eezaqque So we are thinking Norling or Raynes books are superior to loomis for perspective.. I will take a look online now. Do either of those cover composition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen H View Post
    @Stonec - I have heard Scott Robinson is good for perspective, however I have minimum interest in mechanical / tech / vehicle type illustrations, is this book more aimed towards that sort of thing or is it the same no matter what? I mean in the sense of drawing human characters in perspective, although I know its the same principles, I wasn't sure if certain books would be better suited?
    Perspective is of ourse the same regardless of subject matter, however, if you don't plan on every drawing anything constructed/symmetrical like vehicles, architecture etc., many of the techniques in the book won't be very useful to you. In that case you're better off just using a basic book on perspective like Norling.

    Get "Framed Ink" for composition.

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    Has any one else used Framed Ink to second it being a good choice for composition?
    I think I head someone mention it in a Youtube video once.. Sycra maybe

    Norling is looking like the best choice for perspective so far.
    One other book I was looking at for perspective is Vanishing point perspective for comic book artists.
    -http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vanishing-Point-Perspective-Comics-Ground/dp/1581809549/ref=pd_sim_b_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ETN9R6BXKG975GW5AGD

    Any thoughts on this?

    Also @ Benedikt. I just looked through your facebook pics, they are insane! Your backgrounds are really good, I have no idea how to start them, any recommendations for anything in that area?
    I thought the mountains you painted were really good! Also the castle in the background of another.. great work!

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    Paint from life and reference to understand form and light, then extrapolate from the experience/knowledge gained when working from imagination + always supplement with reference.

    Pretty much like everyone does

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    Thanks for the tip

    Right I have ordered framed ink
    now it's just a choice of norling or the perspective for comics..
    someone help push me haha

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    Haha thanks for all your help guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen H View Post
    I was actually looking at successful drawing and creative illustration by Loomis as I heard there was composition and perspective within those books. Does it go into enough depth with just those for what I am after in your opinion, or would I need those others you named too?

    Let me rephrase that ... if I was to buy 2 books for now 1 on perspective and 1 on composition, which 2 would you pick to start with?
    Thanks again
    If you are starting from zero, get Norling and "Visual Literacy" then.

    Loomis' take on perspective gives you a lot of necessary techniques, but the presentation is concise and not providing a "gentle learning curve". His composition chapters in both books I linked to are also more practical, less introductory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedikt View Post
    Paint from life and reference to understand form and light, then extrapolate from the experience/knowledge gained when working from imagination + always supplement with reference.

    Pretty much like everyone does
    Hmm. I had an impression that what everyone else does is grab an expensive tablet and Photoshop, rush into painting right away without learning the fundamentals, and post on Conceptart.org...

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    I would agree with visual language and Creative illustration for composition. I've read through creative illustration and it's pretty helpful on that end. As far as drawing figures in perspective, its probably better draw from life, or get ref. Have someone pose for you and click away or start sketching away. Whatever is easier. Composition you won't understand unless it's told to you or you read it somewhere. My 2 cents.

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    Thanks for the input guys, getting some good books thanks to you guys.

    Would any of you recommend a book for clothing to understand the folds and creases or is that just unnecessary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen H View Post
    Thanks for the input guys, getting some good books thanks to you guys.

    Would any of you recommend a book for clothing to understand the folds and creases or is that just unnecessary
    Bridgman has a useful section on draperies; it is a useful book on constructive anatomy, anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque View Post
    Bridgman has a useful section on draperies; it is a useful book on constructive anatomy, anyways.
    I would also recommend Drawing People: How to Portray the Clothed Figure by Barbara Bradley

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