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    I'm tired of deviantART.

    I'm tired of everyone there acting like an ungrateful brat whenever you say something even slightly negative towards their work. If you even mention still-lifes, they think you're trying to change their style, they don't understand that the basics of drawing apply and compliment all,(or at least most) styles of art.

    Imagine if no one ever did share tips to improve. If we were all entirely by ourselves in learning to draw, how unforgiving that would be, and over on dA you can be told you're insulting people if you give advice when they didn't ask for it.

    On a more positive topic shift, though.. Are there any artists on dA that inspire you?
    I'm personally a big fan of Tobiee and Algenpfleger.

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    Can someone explain to me what the deal with Alpenpfleger is, while we're at it.
    His art is of high quality for sure and he improved rapidly from what i can tell, but there are many artists on the same level. Still he seems to be very popular among artists. What was it that got him this said popularity?

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    I'm rather careful on DeviantArt when giving critique. Not because I'm all that concerned of what people will think of me but rather because I don't want to waste my time trying to help someone if they are not ready to listen. Not everyone aspire to be a professional or feel very strongly about improving. It is perfectly ok to only want to hear compliments if that is the case.

    ConceptArt on the other hand is specifically devoted to improving once skills so if you want to hear honests critique you have come to the right place.

    I have found very many excellent artists on DeviantArt. Of course if they are really good you can find them on other places as well.

    I like Donato, Keith Wormwood, Teagan White just to metion a few. You are very welcome to look through my favorites in my Deviant account for more if you like.
    http://bergholtz.deviantart.com/


    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggeraz View Post
    Can someone explain to me what the deal with Alpenpfleger is, while we're at it.
    His art is of high quality for sure and he improved rapidly from what i can tell, but there are many artists on the same level. Still he seems to be very popular among artists. What was it that got him this said popularity?
    I just think that is the way DeviantArt works. Some artists just get immensely popular deserved or not, while others get little attention. DeviantArt is such a large site so if something is popular it gets more popular simply because people see it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggeraz View Post
    Can someone explain to me what the deal with Alpenpfleger is, while we're at it.
    His art is of high quality for sure and he improved rapidly from what i can tell, but there are many artists on the same level. Still he seems to be very popular among artists. What was it that got him this said popularity?
    I think it's precisely because of his rapid progression. It's a big inspiration to realize that all he did was study the basics and draw every day for however long he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frida Bergholtz View Post
    I'm rather careful on DeviantArt when giving critique. Not because I'm all that concerned of what people will think of me but rather because I don't want to waste my time trying to help someone if they are not ready to listen. Not everyone aspire to be a professional or feel very strongly about improving. It is perfectly ok to only want to hear compliments if that is the case.

    ConceptArt on the other hand is specifically devoted to improving once skills so if you want to hear honests critique you have come to the right place.

    I have found very many excellent artists on DeviantArt. Of course if they are really good you can find them on other places as well.

    I like Donato, Keith Wormwood, Teagan White just to metion a few. You are very welcome to look through my favorites in my Deviant account for more if you like.
    http://bergholtz.deviantart.com/
    I was just caught off guard by it recently, because someone posted two drawings side-by-side with the title reading "improvement?" or something like that. I was under the impression they wanted to improve.
    It's something I'll have to keep in mind. But I'm finding myself quite disappointed.

    Thank you for the artist names, I'm always excited to check out new artists!

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    yeah, I don't give critique nor suggestions on deviantart unless the artist specifically asks for it. There are a lot of people over there who only draw for fun, and because they like to get favs, comments, give gift art,etc, not everyone is looking for critique which is why I avoid giving it.

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    One "fun" thing that happened to me recently was when I respectfully pointed out to an artist that he consistently drew ears strangely and in the wrong place. Another completely unrelated person stepped in to defend him. Stating hillarious arguments that if it's fantasy you don't have to care about anatomy and what a rude person I was for trying to dictate how other people should draw.

    Many of the more popular artists got real die hard fans. ha ha

    One memorable incident was when I pointed out a few flaws in a drawing and told the artist that she should use refence and study real anatomy instead of making it all up becaue everything was a bit wrong. She told me that since I gave her a critique it was now my obligation to point out every single anatomy mistake and how to correct them.

    It actually takes quite a lot of maturity to be good at handling critique and many people and many people who are not used to it simply brush it off, if it's not something that they want to hear. I remember that I was like that many years ago. So the next time it happens just move on and think that it is their loss. Some people are awful at giving critique as well but I don't think that is the problem in this case, you seem nice.

    I can actually do better and post some links.
    http://luismelon.deviantart.com/
    http://vladimir-kireev.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://rhads.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://keithwormwood.deviantart.com/
    http://donatoarts.deviantart.com/
    http://laurenmarxartwork.deviantart.com/
    http://wildweasel339.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://robharrison1.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://eastmonkey.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://michaelkutsche.deviantart.com/
    http://himmapaan.deviantart.com/
    http://snaketoast.deviantart.com/
    http://gold-seven.deviantart.com/
    http://imaginism.deviantart.com/
    http://bluefooted.deviantart.com/
    http://teaganwhite.deviantart.com/

    There should be something you like there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frida Bergholtz View Post
    One "fun" thing that happened to me recently was when I respectfully pointed out to an artist that he consistently drew ears strangely and in the wrong place. Another completely unrelated person stepped in to defend him. Stating hillarious arguments that if it's fantasy you don't have to care about anatomy and what a rude person I was for trying to dictate how other people should draw.

    Many of the more popular artists got real die hard fans. ha ha

    One memorable incident was when I pointed out a few flaws in a drawing and told the artist that she should use refence and study real anatomy instead of making it all up becaue everything was a bit wrong. She told me that since I gave her a critique it was now my obligation to point out every single anatomy mistake and how to correct them.

    It actually takes quite a lot of maturity to be good at handling critique and many people and many people who are not used to it simply brush it off, if it's not something that they want to hear. I remember that I was like that many years ago. So the next time it happens just move on and think that it is their loss. Some people are awful at giving critique as well but I don't think that is the problem in this case, you seem nice.

    I can actually do better and post some links.
    http://luismelon.deviantart.com/
    http://vladimir-kireev.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://rhads.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://keithwormwood.deviantart.com/
    http://donatoarts.deviantart.com/
    http://laurenmarxartwork.deviantart.com/
    http://wildweasel339.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://robharrison1.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://eastmonkey.deviantart.com/gallery/
    http://michaelkutsche.deviantart.com/
    http://himmapaan.deviantart.com/
    http://snaketoast.deviantart.com/
    http://gold-seven.deviantart.com/
    http://imaginism.deviantart.com/
    http://bluefooted.deviantart.com/
    http://teaganwhite.deviantart.com/

    There should be something you like there.
    I've always been told that I was so talented, and that my artwork was really good, and presumed by the masses that I could draw anything I wanted perfectly and effortlessly. Which is ridiculous, as I've come to find out I've been quite the amateur by comparison to a ton of people on dA, and here. So I got tired of the senseless praising at a young age, and don't understand how anyone could be content with it.


    You certainly didn't have to link a whole bunch of artists, but I'm glad you did~
    I'll link back once I've recalled some of the artists I've been inspired by.

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    I agree with most of what you guys are saying, but I think we need to keep things in context as well. I would argue that DevientART is littered with more "hobbyists" than actual professional artists or artists seeking to be professionals.

    In that sense, I've always hesitated when it came to giving critique to someone doing art just for fun or just for arts sake versus someone who's seriously looking to improve. I'm always put in a really awkward position when friends ask me how their drawings look and I know it's directly referenced/copied from some anime/manga/comic.

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    I've had good experience with giving critique on DA, but I am very particular about who I give critique to. I once participated in a critique contest and gave I think 40 or so critiques over the course of a week (to people who had entered their work in the contest to be critiqued). I think I got one or two responses that were not very happy (not hostile, just kind of annoyed and argumentative). All of the other responses that I received were thankful and often ecstatic at being given advice. I think those odds are pretty similar to CA where most people are happy to receive critique, some never respond, and there are a couple of people here and there who actually just wanted praise.

    DA is a very big community with many different types of artists with different goals and perspectives. Some people just want to post their work on the internet to show their friends, so coming into their life and dumping a bunch of unsolicited advice can appear aggressive and pretentious (even if your crit is worded politely). It's not just DA; I'm also hesitant to give unrequested advice to artists in other places, like Facebook, Twitter, or IRL unless I know the person. It's different on CA because this is a much smaller community with a focus on critique and advice; it is implied that you are requesting critique just by posting here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dierat View Post
    I've had good experience with giving critique on DA, but I am very particular about who I give critique to. I once participated in a critique contest and gave I think 40 or so critiques over the course of a week (to people who had entered their work in the contest to be critiqued). I think I got one or two responses that were not very happy (not hostile, just kind of annoyed and argumentative). All of the other responses that I received were thankful and often ecstatic at being given advice. I think those odds are pretty similar to CA where most people are happy to receive critique, some never respond, and there are a couple of people here and there who actually just wanted praise.

    DA is a very big community with many different types of artists with different goals and perspectives. Some people just want to post their work on the internet to show their friends, so coming into their life and dumping a bunch of unsolicited advice can appear aggressive and pretentious (even if your crit is worded politely). It's not just DA; I'm also hesitant to give unrequested advice to artists in other places, like Facebook, Twitter, or IRL unless I know the person. It's different on CA because this is a much smaller community with a focus on critique and advice; it is implied that you are requesting critique just by posting here.
    I agree that critique should only be given when asked.
    But some times it is hard to tell if a person seeks useful advice or just wants praise. For example, i told a user on this site once that it would be a good idea to learn the basics first, before drawing stylized mango figures, because she said she wanted to improve. It turned out that she didn't care for critique and couldn't make the connection between fundamental knowledge and improvement, the usual 'i don't need to know anatomy because i draw stylized!'- stuff.
    Long story made short: I now use to give critique only when it's clearly been asked, and the meaning of 'improvement' varies greatly from person to person.

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    That's true Tiggeraz. I think some people don't really know what critique is and think it's just a longer, most in-depth version of a praising comment. Others think they want critique but aren't ready for it when it's given. So even when people ask for it, it will not always be well received, and then all you can say it "I tried" and move on.

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    If Deviantart gets people drawing, than Im all for it. Some will not want feedback as they're just drawing for fun (I think that's how we all started.)and not looking to pursue a career at that point in their lives. Critique for these people could hinder their progress and taint their joy of drawing, especially if they're young.
    Others however probably do have goals and still dislike critique, or will disregard your critique becasuse you're not a DA superstar or your artwork isnt "as good" as theirs in their eyes.
    But that's their problem no yours.
    Continue to give critique to those that have goals and try to accept critique from any one regardless of details. You know do the old, lead by example thing.

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    I actually don't mind dA as much anymore - sure, there's a lot of crap and weeaboos, but also a surprising amount of diverse and interesting art across various genres once you figure out where to look, especially in terms of fine art. Really like this guy here, for example -> http://yoann-lossel.deviantart.com/

    And of course, not everyone will take critique, but as has been mentioned before, you have to take into consideration the demographic of the site and whether the person seems mature enough about their stuff to accept one.

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    Well like I said, this girl had two of her drawings posted side-by-side, one old drawing from the year before and a re-draw and the title was "Improvement?"

    I also read their journal a bit and it seemed like they really wanted to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggeraz View Post
    I agree that critique should only be given when asked.
    But some times it is hard to tell if a person seeks useful advice or just wants praise. For example, i told a user on this site once that it would be a good idea to learn the basics first, before drawing stylized mango figures, because she said she wanted to improve. It turned out that she didn't care for critique and couldn't make the connection between fundamental knowledge and improvement, the usual 'i don't need to know anatomy because i draw stylized!'- stuff.
    Long story made short: I now use to give critique only when it's clearly been asked, and the meaning of 'improvement' varies greatly from person to person.
    Actually, no one is immune from critique here. If they're bullish, report them and I'll deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Spot View Post
    Actually, no one is immune from critique here. If they're bullish, report them and I'll deal with it.
    It wasn't necessary in my case. She said she would leave and not return after i called her out on hear childish behavior and lack of skill. I think she crawled back to DeviantArt and is now posting her sad attempts at mango comics there.
    And nothing of value was lost for this site (in my opinion!).

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    Yeah - we get a few of those. Some people will wake up later and return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Spot View Post
    Yeah - we get a few of those. Some people will wake up later and return.
    What a shame.
    I find these people a lot funnier when they are stubborn beyond any reason and very serious about their 'work'.

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    I mean, it's really childish to feel entitled to compliments and head pats but feel like no one has any right to objectively view your work.

    If you're just drawing for funsies, I don't see how a critique, a polite one even more so, should bother you. These people want to improve, but they don't want to practice the basics.
    But I've ranted enough. I really should go through my favorites and link some artists I like.

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    Yes I agree with that, I joined this forum to have these critiques cuz I wasn't getting them over DA.
    I think like someone said over, indeed a lot of them are just there for fun so are not expecting any opposite opinions.
    But still I did some critiques on beginner jobs and most of the time they do appreciate that and/or contact you through the mp stuff to ask you some more in depth stuff.

    After I think many artists on the deviant art hit too easily the professional artist denomination, and have a high appreciation of them selves. They never really worked outside the commissions and have no idea of what is a customer, fit a project, or have said to you this is wrong in your pic etc...
    So they are impetuous and react so quickly on a very little thing indeed.

    So I avoid comment finished pics cuz i know most of the people would react bad, or i try to bring the critiques with flower ^^

    About what you are saying that a lot want to improve but don't want to study, I think it's link to their opinion of them self and their own goal target. They are seeing them selves as already good, and would not appreciate you to say anything. They think art comes easy cuz it's fun to do, what should it be hard ?...

    i am always for a constructive critique about composition, color, emotions etc... and even when the people like something I love when they explain why, it is so helpful.

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    Yes it is childish to feel entitled to compliments, it is also childish to believe that your own point of view is the only right one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frida Bergholtz View Post
    Yes it is childish to feel entitled to compliments, it is also childish to believe that your own point of view is the only right one.
    Indeed.

    I just took some time to browse through the profiles of the Artists you linked. I must say the most impressive for me is Vladimir Kireev. The amount of detail he puts into his paintings are stunning, and it always fascinates me to see how big these traditional pieces are mostly. He truly breathes traditional russian painting.
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    Since the groups where introduced to deviantArt, I've found giving/getting crits easier. (Whereas the actual critique structure they put in for subscribers has been less reliable - popular artists seem to use it to harvest longer asspat comments.)

    A few groups for crits, or with crit. sections include CTRLPaint (group for the well-known site), Speedpaint Studies (photostudies only), and Serious Artists.

    dA is such a behemoth site now, it takes some digging to find what you want, but I find it works quite well when I target what I am doing there.

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    If you're putting your stuff out there - it's fair game for critique, even if you don't ask for it (There is a difference between harassment, however - because that's when you say enough's enough, please cease). If you don't want it critiqued, don't put it out. Fairly simple. This works for ideas, why not art?

    And in the end, most professionals they might make a passing critique, but if they don't take it well or respond badly, either say "Take it or leave it", or nothing at all - or how I usually say it: "If you don't want honesty, don't ask for it"

    No one can come back from that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maledict View Post
    If you're putting your stuff out there - it's fair game for critique, even if you don't ask for it (There is a difference between harassment, however - because that's when you say enough's enough, please cease). If you don't want it critiqued, don't put it out. Fairly simple. This works for ideas, why not art?
    Its true. You can critique anything that you stumble upon on Deviantart, just dont feel outraged when some people dont take your unsolicited advice .

    Having said that I do enjoy that site. Its filled with a lot of different art styles. There are also a lot of Professional artists. You just gotta know where to look.

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    I'm new here and checking it out. I found this topic as critiques are essential to growth as an artist. I graduated from a good art school but my life has led me in other directions. I'm looking to get back into it and looking for something that resembles the attitude of those from my art school. Critiques came weekly in each class and often could be harsh. But one needs to step back and not take it as an attack but take at a discussion for growth. That being said it takes a strong will and backbone to take statements of how and where to improve (hate using the word negative). Some don't have it.
    This place looks interesting and I'll dig more into it and hopefully get back in the flow.

    Thx.

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    I'm just not going to bother with it anymore on dA.

    Even nice people turn salty a lot of the time, and there's no sense in getting into a pointless argument about it, in retrospect.

    Here are some artists whose art I admire.
    Arnistotle
    Tobiee
    hoooook
    Janaschi
    Davepalumbo

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    I kind of gave up on DeviantArt rather quickly. I realized the majority of it was basically just a big "show and tell" of self promotion. Of course there are a lot of good art on DA, many artists who I love post their stuff there, but I feel it's never in the context of "please give me critique." That's the DA climate and that's fine I guess, but it's not for me.

    CA on the other hand has a whole different climate. If one doesn't want to get critique, this isn't the place to be, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uiriamu View Post
    I realized the majority of it was basically just a big "show and tell" of self promotion.
    I feel like most art sites are like that now, especially the newer ones. They focus on showing large, beautiful images, which is cool, but there's no discourse. I guess that's what people want though or there'd be more activity on the remaining art forums like this one.

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