i think you can do poetry like a painting, and paintry like a poeting.
you can say words accidentally, in a form of fruedian slip, then one can also slip on his canvas, and draw something he didnt mean to draw.
an 8 year old boy, or 5 year old girl, can, quite convincingly paint something better than a 20 year old naphyfam, completely by accident, as long as they keep their peepers peeled.
i might say, ones eye (linings) and ear (letterings) is perhaps the wiser than the hand (box and ellipse) or the mouth (gasbagging), because one was seeing others art instead of doing ones own, so he managed to learn a bit more.
ones input, has learnt more than was is reflected by ones output, until he wants to use his extra input knowledge hes not outputting yet, and train his output up.
so i feel, an audience has very keen eyes and ears, and the performer has very good hand and mouth... which the audience lacks, making them the fun seer, instead of the fun doer.
For some reason I read it like a spoken word even though in the end I had no idea what was said.
Pre emptive apology of rant fueled by long years of lurking.---------------------------------
Regardless of this post, don't you guys think this type of attitude is the reason there are so many lurkers rather than posters?
( but we don't wannnnt this type of traffic! We're harsh critiques! They're not tough enough to join us! )
I'm talking about the people who want to draw, who see posts like this, And never join to get better because they see a community of pitch forks. There's a difference between critique and being a butt munch. Last I checked inspiring and helping people is better than trying to weed out young artists. (but they have deviant arttttt)Some people want to get critiqued...not ganged up on. Overall less posts, less people, and a website that feels like it isn't up for open discussion, and a tumble weed every so often.
Critique of one's work always makes one' instincts flare up in defense. A part of being able to learn from others is the ability to not perceive it as "pitchforks" but as help. In fact, a site like this can degrade much quicker if it becomes a back-patting fest instead of a place where people come to learn.
Though, this particular thread wasn't about critique, and while the commenters had been blunt, the OP called it upon themselves by being completely incoherent. I still cannot make any sense of that post.
So, in this case, they might want to consider learning to express their thoughts clearly.
And you, if you did not want threads like this to show at the top, could have refrained from commenting and let it die quietly.
I think you'll find people come here to get honest critique.
Except the people who don't research a full dossier about a website before joining, and think CA's a nice place to post their little pictures, or at most that 'honest critique' means 'friendly advice', and are immediately thrown into the deep end. Of a pit of lava. And then have their wounded astonishment reflected back at them: "Whut? Whut you expect? Whut I do?"
And, aside from ancient history about video payments, people wonder why CA is so quiet these days, at least in comparison to DA.
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather visit (and lurk at) CA than DA, and greatly appreciate the ethos of blunt critique, and think Digydan here needed a boot in the pants. Can't remember the last time I even visited the latter site. But I think that, in regards to blithely clueless beginners at least, this place can sometimes go too far in the other direction. I've seen that there's at least one clique here, with a handful of auld grumps fed up by the idea of having to engage learners and direct them on a forum in which a fairly large part of the remit is engaging learners and directing them. This place certainly has it's own royals, xenophobes, even howlers.