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    Environment study group - everyone is welcome

    Hi there, In this thread I want to welcome everyone interested in learning environments
    I will be posting my own environment, both studies and from imagination, everyone is free to do the same.

    My idea is that hopefully we will learn this much faster if we study in group so feel free to join and post your landscapes here.
    critiques and recommendations are welcome

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    Rules

    - say if it was from imagination or from reference

    - number your environment whenever you post a new piece here.

    - Post only fresh art!

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    Tips and tutorials

    - ryan tutorial is great and simple to follow:
    http://ryanlangdraws.blogspot.com.es...r-process.html
    http://ryanlangdraws.blogspot.com.es...n-process.html
    http://www.arthints.com/
    http://blog.naver.com/PostList.nhn?blogId=seobibaby

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    Resources/References

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...ecial%3ASearch
    http://photography.nationalgeographi...ay/landscapes/
    http://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/
    http://www.pbase.com/search
    http://geoguessr.com/ perfect for when you dont know what to choose, let geoguessr choose random envis for you
    http://www.airpano.com/Photogallery-....php?author=36 to see from above

    http://ezdraws.blogspot.com.es/2013/...hop-demos.html PDF of Eytan artwork

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    The hangout sessions

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    Sundays at 19:00 (GMT) its officially the hangout time for environment studies (but you can do wathever you want really)
    you can share your screen and see other peoples way of doing environments, ask questions or just stay mute, everyone is welcome


    its the hangout 3 here on CA https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e...thuser=0&hl=en

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    EXERCISE OF THE WEEK

    this exercises will help us to explore new methods and force us to study different kinds of environments

    I will be editing this section, so the current exercise will be deleted.


    4ş EXCERCISE: its very simple, do 2-3 imagination pieces focusing in a feeling/mood you choose, try to go for something you dont do often.
    the pieces can be simple and fast, what matters is the mood, search all the reference you need.

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    Have fun.

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    ooh! great idea. all I got right now is the idw im working on. but I'll be back with more. (I hope!)

    you've drawn a very pretty sky, buxu. its a bit of a shame the land has remained just a silhouette.

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    Ashes glad you joined here, welcome! hope to see more from you.
    you are still working on it so i guess you will improve it, but here some thoughts,
    the water in the middle i thought it was snow, trt ro observe how the water reflects light, the edges are more sharp in the
    reflections and more soft in other areas, its too muddy, also it seems its a sunset for the clouds but the light seems like a cloudy day. its always good to get some refs and look at them.


    1ş envi - study: envi of the first post, done yesterday (felt like moving it here)
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    2ş envi - study: This is the environment i did today
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    trying to see the colors in the sky, noticing in how the building reflect some sunlight in some parts, how the clouds react to the sun etc. gotta keep on. if anyone share some tuts or wathever i will post it above

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    Really loving your sunsets (sunrises?). I saw that Ashess said it's a shame that they are silhouetted, but, that is exactly how they would be at that dusk time - Just about. I think you captured the feeling amazingly well.

    Maybe some color would be highlighted, like, the colors of the sky onto the tops of buildings, or something? I hope to join in sometime! I feel sooo busy right now, but I will look in here when I can. Love this idea!
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    Great idea! Environments is something I definitely need to work on, like ASAP.

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    Alright, hi guys.
    I really like the idea of weekly challenges so I went ahead and got started on this first one. Tougher than it looks, especially getting the subtle warms on the horizon line without brush transparency. I saved some steps as well but unfortunately I saved over the most relevant one (with the basic color shapes).

    I'm looking forward to what you guys post for the challenge and otherwise and I'll try to offer crits when you do.

    So yeah, environment no.1

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    hehe nice, like to see you joining jondawo.
    its hard isnt it? forces you to think in every color your putting, i find this method great for learning.
    I really like your environment, my only critiques are, give more love to your shapes (im sloppy too), and those blues in the rocks, arent they a bit too saturated? kind of alien thing happening there or its just me?


    uiriamo: you should join us, its fun!

    adrienne rose: thx to you now we have a weekly activitie thx for the feedback and join us whnever you want, i would live to see your envis
    and your right there was some highlights i skipped :/


    well this is my entry nş 3 Environment study group - everyone is welcome
    took way more time then what i was thinking, and way more dificult then what it seems, its my first from life! its winter here and the light was changing so fast, its completly different from life cause in a photo the color are already in you pc but in reaal life you have whithes way more brighter then what you pc can give you, so its another world, i recommend it to everyone, super challenging and interesting.

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    Damn, Buxu, do u make any breaks from painting? You're posting new stuff so fast !
    But okay, it's even better, more motivation for me then :p
    Great studies btw. from life of course is way more difficult, have to try one too and from imagination... too :d

    Mkaay, so I'm joining !
    Just for start, most recent ones:
    (I was told not to use transfer, it's better !)

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    and 4. with Ryan's method, 3 steps. I don't know if I got it right cause actually I think I was painting like this before

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    All of them are from references ;P

    "If you can dream it, you can do it" - Walt Disney

    I believe I can ! My sketchbook -> http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=273512

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    Buxu: Hey, nice work man. I think you did well with the plein air one as far as colors and value range is concerned but I think you're using a little too much black or near black in your imagination pieceNo.4. The photo studies are looking better. Keep it up

    Igson:Hey man. Good work reproducing the colors in your studies. I think the grainy brush is messing with your shapes though. It adds a lot of noise to everything and is kind of distracting in places. I think no.1 is the main offender in this case. Maybe consider switching to a cleaner brush as long as you're not using transfer? Also, when you're lassoing out shapes like in the later paintings, don't be afraid to simplify them even further. Leave out all the wiggly bits except in places where you feel they're really necessary. no.2 loses some of it's readability because of this. no.3 is heading more towards the right direction

    I tried to focus on shapes and keeping my values separated, especially in no.2. no.3 was a bit of a mess. I feel like I got an ok mood going on but the edges really need work.

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    WOOOT!

    nice guys lets keep this rolling

    Igson! good to see you here!
    i love your color choises in the first one, as for critiques it seems like you have a nice eye for color but i think it would be a good idea to try to make the shapes of colors a bit more smooth, you know? more simple. look here http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm go to the part that says Flatten and simplify, try to give it a shot to the simplification thing next time you make an envi will you? i think it would benefit your evis alot.
    And I do take breakes from painitng, actually too often

    Jondawo haha your starting to get addicted to envis too? i love the strokes on nş2 but the strokes dont work so well on the water and the clouds, you rushed i guess. on nş 3 i agreed it does have a nice mood, i think a secondary light would add alot, like a character with a warm lamp or something, kinda lacking a focal point i think, just ideas anyway, keep them coming
    you are right in my imagination piece, i will work on my values.

    did you guys saw yong sub noh? my studies of today are from his pieces, he will make you guys cry
    I suck at values so i tried to understand value differences in environments, i realize there must be a clear definition between foreground and background for this thing to work... its obvious but took me a while.

    studies

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    IMAGINATION kinda of rushed, wanted to test a bit the values and composistion knowledge.

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    Hey Buxu, thanks for the pointers about my work. I'll try to apply it in later pieces. Yeah I kinda rushed both of those pieces so I'm going to try and spend more time on my work in the future. I have seen Yong's work before. I really like his surrealistic style. Huge floating objects and things like that. Some of my favourite environment artists are Jaime Jones, Whit Brachna and Eytan Zayna. I'll be doing some studies of their work soon I think

    As for your Yong studies, I think they're good but you could really tighten the edges in places. Maybe even lasso them. That floating cube should be hard!

    Man, the struggle was REAL with this study. I tried to start with Ryan Lang's method, except WITH transfer enabled. The problem I had was with the huge variety of colours in the reference photo. I found myself having to straight guess a lot of them instead of relating them to the surrounding colours. I couldn't really work out what color the rocks were supposed to be and things like that. Ho whell. Gotta practice more I guess.


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    OH man, I really enjoyed doing this!
    Not sure if I will get another one in by the deadline or not. The 100 Day Anatomy Challenge is eating so much of my time. The save for web kind of changed the colors of my painting. Ah well. It still looks pretty great.

    Here we go.

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    oh jon dude thx for pointing me out that, tried to apply to my studies today. really like those master, only knew jaime, i loved eytan the most, maybe i will do some studies of his rocks.
    that study you did seems hard, pass me the ref will ya? what i do when the stuff is too complicated i zoom out the photo or squint alot and always asking about temprature, i forget about color, i like to play with rgb slider and hsb slider, move them slightly to more cold or warm colors to see if im right, also take breaks man, rally help me.

    Adrienne: you really joinned great to see your first entry, i would say the colors are all more saturated? its strange, they seem to relate well to each other but too saturated, maybe its the web thing, also i think your work would imporve if you simplify more, think on big shapes of color, you made me remember i have some shots too, gotta see them


    today was very hard because of the imagination piece, felt so STUCKED i mean, this is hard, i cant really do details at all. i think i need to do some serious studies with detail in the future or i will never get this right, hopefully studies will help...

    anyway ppl, someone recomends me a good web for refs? im having troubles finding good refs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buxu View Post
    Adrienne: you really joinned great to see your first entry, i would say the colors are all more saturated? its strange, they seem to relate well to each other but too saturated, maybe its the web thing, also i think your work would imporve if you simplify more, think on big shapes of color, you made me remember i have some shots too, gotta see them


    anyway ppl, someone recomends me a good web for refs? im having troubles finding good refs.
    Yeah, take a look, it's much different, don't you think? Here's a screenshot of the painting I shared earlier (left), and the original before saving for web (right). I am sure it's the "save for web" that made the yellow super saturated... Maybe I will just do screenshots to share rather than saving for web. This is the first time I've noticed a vast difference. But yes, I do realize that the greens are more saturated than the photos, but I feel I did it like, what my eyes really saw when I took the photo. Haha, It's a bit more cartoony, no? Ah well.

    Have you tried looking at Pinterest for some great photos to look at?

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    This is a great idea! I attempted the process a few people have been doing. I have no idea how to paint the cliff edges!

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    Adrienne: Hey, I think it's really cool that you're trying to capture what you saw when you were out there. However, I do, also, think it's valuable to learn how to achieve realistic results before you try to stylize. That way you'll have a solid foundation upon which to base your style

    Buxu: Heyo Buxu. I think details are the least important part at first. More about getting the shape and compositions down. Your image can be appealing even with just the minimum amount of details. Look at these two for example: http://cghub.com/images/view/275075/ http://cghub.com/images/view/228937/

    As for references Pintrest is great. Im using http://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/ (don't mind the name, it's all SFW ) and http://www.airpano.com/Photogallery-....php?author=36 at the moment.

    Animare: I think getting convincing textures is gonna be difficult when you're using that method. I think it's intended more as a study to make you more aware of your colour choices and help you judge colors more accurately relative to one another.

    So, today I did a study after Etyan Zana btw you can get fully layered PSD's of some of his images on his blog. After that I tried to apply some of his technique to the volcano imagintion piece. I used some references for the look of the lava and clouds.

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    Jondavo, thanks for your advices, they are so damn accurate In this one I tried not to use too much of grainy brush but finally used it on fire light - I had no idea how to paint it another way, it looked so terrible. Thanks also for posting links from cghub - it is soo inspiring and there also lots of references - these asrtists are amazing o.o And I also love your envis, reaally good work.

    Buxu, I wish I did them more simple but it's not that easy I'm trying, really. By the way, cool tutorial !

    This one was a pain, like 2-3h of painting and still it doesn't look clear and simplified. Daamn !

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    @Jondawo - I didn't think the point of the exercise was to achieve realism? I was just following the "Ryan Method"...

    @animare - WOW!! I love that image! I think you did really great! There just seems to be no distinction between the ledge and the foreground? Perhaps some "misty" color? From the waves?

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    @Jondawo - I didn't think the point of the exercise was to achieve realism? I was just following the "Ryan Method"...

    @animare - WOW!! I love that image! I think you did really great! There just seems to be no distinction between the ledge and the foreground? Perhaps some "misty" color? From the waves?

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    Igson: yeah lets keep at it and try the best we can

    Adrienne: the ryan tutorial was not to archieve realism in adges but it was to try to
    archieve realism in value and color and shape the best we can, but depening on what you are aming for i would
    give you a critique or other, if your goal was archieve better undertanding of real life values my critique would be in ryan method
    first we put the more dark color, then the brightest and then the more
    obvious color wich normally will be the more saturated so this way we have a solid base to compare all the other, we also have limitations
    we could say those 3 colors are the main guides of the whole piece. so my recomendation is try hard to get those 3 colors right


    Animare: welcome! i have no idea how to paint a cliff edge either, hopefully practice will help.
    but looking at your image i would say the values makes hard to appreciate wich part of the landscape is aiming up and wich part is aming straight ahead,
    one trick is Zoom Out and work with a little image or squint alot at your ref so you will see the values of the big planes clearly.

    jondawo: dude your killing it, i saw that volcano a days ago and got overwhelmed, youre really improving on this, keep on man, wanna see where it goes.
    also i went into that guys blog to see the PDF, the guy have like 100 layers or more and textures everywhere and weird tricks that i dont get,
    you said you applied some of his techniques, i wish i could understand that too, i guess its a matter of experimentation.



    anywaaaaay, got away a few days, feel a bit guilty for not post everyday
    but i wanna change that, im gonna be doing an envy everyday at the hangout 3 here on CA, see the first post for more info, if someone wanna change the hour of the hangout
    let me know, i have flexibility, aaaand yeah thats it! come hang out and share your screens! this way is more fun. (im not very talkative but join me, at least you can see my screen)
    also added resouces section in first post, if someone knows good resources you think the group should see let me know.

    i just did a fast study from etyan art, he share PDF of his stuff, its too crazy to understand 100% but i recomend taking a look at how he does envis. http://ezdraws.blogspot.com.es/

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    Buxu:Hey man. It was nice talking to you on Hangouts earlier I think you did a good job reproducing the colours in the etyan study but you could have improved it way more just by lassoing the edges of the rock and the people. Eytan's method is a little complicated and and the guy makes 1 new layer for every brushstroke but I think you can reproduce the image with your own methods too. Just watch your edges

    Igson: Keep trying, or move away from ryan's method and start using some transfer-enabled brushes. I think you can still apply the same thought process as when you're doing the study, even if you're not strictly using 100% opacity. Keep it up though

    AdrienneRose: I think the advantage of using Ryan's method is that it will teach you to judge colors more accurately. Like Buxu said, if you find the first three colours (lightest, darkest, clearest (color with the least variation)) you can define the rest of your color pallet to be within those ranges (value range and saturation range). You can move from color to color and ask yourself, is it more or less saturated, warmer or cooler, etc. Since you're doing a photostudy, it would be more beneficial to your if you tried to train yourself to see exactly what the colors in the photo are. There's nothing wrong with stylizing your work and giving it funky colors and saturation but you can do that in your imaginative work

    So, here's a photostudy, and then some preparation towards the new challenge. I started off doing a bunch of environment thumbnails... and didn't know which one to choose and then made a completely new one and took that further. (DERP)
    As a result no.9 didn't really have a well thought out composition for a long time and now I'm trying to fix it by awkwardly putting big pillars everywhere. We'll see how it goes.

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    jon: was nice to talk to you too
    i think some of your thumbnails are pretty cool. like the one with the floating rocks the most, its intense.
    your piece is coming along great, i have the feeling it just need that little extra thing. the three strange pillars, every single one
    have a different form, i dont think thats very good for the design, kinda of too random, i think repetition can be pretty powerfull but not sure.

    just studies.

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    Thanks for the welcome and advice, I did the next one before I read it though so might have made some of the same mistakes. The 3rd one I did zoomed far out, so I could focus more on the values.

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    Okay, now I used a little bit transfer, but still I tried to use it totally consciously
    You guys are rocking. Next time I will also do small thumbnail studies ^^
    And I'd love to come for a hangout session, but usually I'm not at home at this hour, we'll see But actually it's the first time I hear about sth like this on google, is it speaking or writing or both of them?

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    animare: i think your envi nş 2 is much better then the last, great improvement,
    you put alot of effort and thats great to see.

    igson: seems to me that you are becomming better too, things are more defined,
    seems like soon i will have to stop to make critiques je.

    for igson and everyone else: we decided to make the hang out thing just on sunday evening in european hours, someone sugest a particual hour? i will probably be a few hours.

    anyways heres my stuff


    17 - from imagination (sorry low res)
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    18 - thumbnails from imagination, the upper one is the one im gonna use for this week challenge i think
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    19 - color study
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    20 - envi design studies, i lack visual library, need to do more like this

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    Hi, I've been looking and wanting to join something like this, since there wasn't any environments study groups and I like doing environments. So, hope it's not too late to join.

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    Monkabit, I think it's never too late !

    AS I said before, I decided to do some thumbnails from imagination to challenge myself... And I failed, totally ! Actually, better or worse, but I can repaint a photo or someone's illustraton, I'm learning during this process of course, but when it comes to drawing from imagination there the problem occures. So, yeah, I finished this one, but gonna again paint thumbnails from reference and then again from imagination, we'll se what's gonna happen ;P

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    ok guys the hangout thing has changed, now its only sundays at 19:00 gmt. we speak there, but you can chat too if you dont have a microphone.

    Monkabit: of course its not too late, i plan to keep this on for some time so join us whenever you want.

    Igson: what do you mean exactly with i failed? i think the mood and the palletes are pretty cool, if your talking about the composition its just a matter of studying that, i think the approch of imagination > study is pretty powerfull so yeah just do it.

    colored some thumbnails, im happy cause i didnt strugled like before, still a long way to go anyways.

    (this are the old thumbs so im ntot gonna number them)
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    21 from imagination, wanted to see if i could do designs, building and stuff, my perspective suck so much

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    Hahahah, you guys are so funny ! Painting while talking to you is really more enjoyable, you know. Buxu, you should regret u didn't stay and listen to Justin's embarassing story

    Okay, I haven't finished the thumbnails (I am so close :3) so for today's just a photo study

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    Yessssss, the hangouts was awesome! Was very nice meeting you all and we even gained a few members. I'm looking forward to next time.

    Animare: Hey, I'm definately seeing some improvement as well. You nailed the atmospheric perspective in no.3. Looking forward to your next post.

    Igson: Your boat study came out really nice. I think you could have improved it some more making more of the edges in the boat hard edges and giving the clouds softer edges in places. I think that would add some realism to your image and I can see that you were already going for that but push it further. Maybe you could do some studies of clouds at some point too.

    Buxu:Judging by your latest thumbnails, I think you're starting to get past your issue with too many dark values. The color selections are becoming more natural. I think the 2nd one (with the two mountain tops and red cloak) the 3rd one (with the flying dragons over water) and the 4th (with the glowing entrance) have the most potential. You have some interesting designs in your imagination thumbnails and I'd enjoy seeing those implemented into your finished work.

    Monkabit: Yeah, welcome

    This is what I have for now. Earlier this week Buxu pushed me to do some linework thumbnails because I was struggling with my usual method of shape block-ins. Linework got me thinking about subject matter right from the beginning, rather than just abstract shapes. I got this idea for a sci-fi border-crossing point and came up with a few different angles. I chose the one that I felt showed the wall/bridge in the best way and developed it further. This is a WIP shot of where I am with it now.

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    Igson, what he came back with more?! oh man i hope that guy join us again.
    i think you become better with the hangout thing? you should be always connected >.<

    jon: took me a while to get the OMG my eyes haha as for critiques i guess you know but im gonna say it anyways the sky can add alot of interest to the piece, and more in sunsets, clouds become savage colorfull things, i would play with that to add depth.

    I loved the hang out toooooo, this tree is what i was doing while talking
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    25 imagination: this is going to be my entry this week, oh man i know its way too fancy but im having fun.
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