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    Hannibal crossing the Alps - needs C&C and 30,000 winter coats, please.

    Okay, keep the winter coats. C&C would be great.

    This is in its very early stages; I want to turn this into an A3 size watercolour, and I want to make the narrative and composition as good as I can. Any thoughts? Thank you!

    Hannibal crossing the Alps - needs C&C and 30,000 winter coats, please.

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    random ideas: lose the cape in favor of sillohuetes.

    separate the sillohuettes a bit more.

    bring in an elephant big.

    more mountains in the background, but not part of the composition, lighter that is.

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    Not sure about the bigger elephant, but all the other ideas are great. Getting rid of the cloak does sound like a good idea, if I can keep the swoosh with whatever I put in its place. The idea with the mountains is good too - I'll check my Alps references! THanks for your input!

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    Agree with removing the cloak - I don't actually think you'd need to replace it with anything - there's a nice swoop there going along the line of soliders and along the fallen man's shoulders up into Hannibal's face. While I know the elephant isn't unrealistically sized, he maybe feels a little small up to his rider, and perhaps making him just a touch larger would help narratively (making his crossing seem and even more impossible task). Only other minor tweak I'd consider (though this is personal) is to maybe draw up the outstretched leg of the fallen man to create a flow back into Hannibal rather than flowing out of the bottom corner. Other than that it's looking rather lovely, having learned a little about the sheer magnitude of Hannibal's undertaking to assault Rome recently, I think with the right foreboding colour scheme and atmosphere this really gets the right scale of the struggle across.

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    Seems kind of crowded and squashed. I keep looking for the right side of the picture. Have you considered making this landscape format instead?

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    Thanks for your thoughts! Zephyri, I just had that idea with drawing up the man's leg myself. Though I haven't progressed any further with this - I'm stuck. Maybe it is too crowded. Vineris, this started out as landscape, but felt too small and not paramount enough. I might keep the format but give it a bit more room. I've also thought about doing some pose shots for the people in front, but my kids probably won't be up to the drama...

    Edit: I have the coolest kids ever. I think work on this can go on. What a performance.

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    Ack, ignore. Too many mistakes. Will be back with an update once I've fixed the more obvious ones.

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    Okay, I think I'm happy with this. What do you think?

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    I know the guy behind Hannibal and the soldier he's pulling to his feet is rather confusing right now; I'll separate those in the coloured version. I'm planning to make this a rather large watercolour; loads of clarification needed here, I realise, but that should be doable while keeping up the busy look I want.

    Here's a veeery quick digital greyscale. Do you see any more areas I need to clarify?

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    The guy behind Hannibal (?) has a shield that seems to have a weird shape. To me it seems like it's been bent or something. Maybe it's just me though.

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    Gah. I think I always want to combine the curled shape of a Roman scutum with the round shield. Thanks; I'll see how I can fix it.

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    Might add the guy right at the foreground has the small tip of the helmet that has perspective problems.
    By the way, it looks like the end result is going to be quite nice.

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    I certainly hope so! Though it'll give me a few more grey hairs, I suppose.

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