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    "Point to all the stats you like and I'll keep ignoring them. "

    Mmm yeah see thats kind of the problem with america on a lot of issues isnt it?
    who cares about reality when youve got an opinion?

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    Sandy Hook was a tragedy. But every once in a while a bus driver will get into wreck and kill all of the passengers. That's just as tragic. Should we ban buses."

    nope we need buses, although we will make them all automatic and self driving.

    "Besides, according to some statistics gun related homicide and violent crime in general have actually gone down significantly over the past 20 years or so"

    vaguely alluding to something isnt the same as showing it to me. it carries no weight.

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    The main thing that comes to mind with owning a gun 'small dick syndrome'. Makes you feel tough in that crazy world out there."

    exactamundo. theyre a symbol that creates a powerful sense of being dangerous and able to control anyone to any idiot that picks one up. not good. people shouldnt be allowed, and i dont just mean by the law, but by the reality of the place they live, to just carry machine guns around. they shouldnt be available to anyone. the counter is always oh, well, theyll get them if they want them, wont they, ay? which ill address next.

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    I know this might surprise you, but owning a gun doesn't make you wack-a-doo-batshit-trigger-happy; shooting anyone you please."

    it doesnt surprise me at all, but spread enough of them around and as we;ve seen nutters and idiots will get them and shoot people at batman. am i wrong? you cant get a handgun here unless youre an armed cop or you know some seroiusly heavy people and can give them a great deal of money. and hide it, and if anyone sees it the cops immediately attack you with guns and if you live they lock you up... and thats just a pistol.. a machine gun? seriously? you might as well try and buy a nuclear bomb here. schoolkids the age of the ones at collumbine, the batman movie, sandyhook dont know hardened gangsters and dont have thousands in cash lying around. in america, you only need to sneak into your moms gunbox..

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    None of this equals me or most of the people I know. Painting with a pretty broad stroke VK."

    Bill to all americans who dont just ignore statistical analysis, who think machineguns are evil, god is imaginary, gays can marry if they want, the war on drugs failed and that women have the right to manage their own reproductive biology, i apologise. the rest of them? fuck em.
    i bring that up because a lot of republicans who love guns and say its their right to have one seem pretty happy to take away womens rights, and gay peoples rights, immigrants rights, poor peoples rights, the rights of future generations of people whod like not to live in a world wracked with climate problems... which kind of sinks their view below the waterline on rights rather.


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    vaguely alluding to something isnt the same as showing it to me. it carries no weight.

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    You dropped this. : /
    It's no Harvard, but it'll do.


    it doesnt surprise me at all, but spread enough of them around and as we;ve seen nutters and idiots will get them and shoot people at batman. am i wrong? you cant get a handgun here unless youre an armed cop or you know some seroiusly heavy people and can give them a great deal of money. and hide it, or they lock you up... schoolkids dont know hardened gangsters and dont have thousands in cash lying around. in america, you only need to sneak into your moms gunbox..

    You're not wrong in that regard, there are some crazy fucks out there.
    But they're also isolated incidents. School shootings happen maybe every 6-8 years. That's nothing compared to how many kids we blow up overseas, but I don't see anyone mourning for them.
    It's pretty fucked.

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    "That's nothing compared to how many kids we blow up overseas, but I don't see anyone mourning for them."

    go overseas.
    remember that place thats not america? it exists! its massive! and its full of people worried the most powerful country on earth has gone insane and will eat itself and everyone else.
    what you do and say matters globally, and right now youre not doing a very inspiring job. at all.
    you used to be the good guys. everyone is sad about that.

    "Point to all the stats you like and I'll keep ignoring them. "

    insane.


    that graph shows the rate of firearm death dropping from 7.0 in 93 to 3.6 in 2010. not exactly great as that still loads of people shot to death.
    it was actually part of a larger trend, the end of a huge spike in gun murders from the late 80s to the late 90s.
    it then settled back to what seems to have been the prevous rate.
    be interested to know whats going on there. you guys on the ground, what happened there?
    note the other lines are low and flat.

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    in 2010 it was 3.6 people per 100k. in the uk it was .05. thats 72 times less.


    thats thousands of people a year of all ages getting their lives ended not randomly by some tragic accident, but because someone decided they should die. or someone near them or behind them should die.
    just get rid, its one less shitty thing in the world.

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    go overseas.
    remember that place called the rest of the world? that place thats not america? it exists!

    NOW YOU LISTEN HERE YOU LIMEY RED-COAT COMMUNIST! THERE ARE ONLY TWO PLACES IN THE WORLD, 'MERICA, AND NOT 'MERICA! AND I KNOW YOU AIN'T SPEAKIN' NOOOO STARS N' STRIPES!
    I believe like 40 kids got blown up the same day Sandy Hook happened or maybe after, it got almost 0 coverage over here.
    It's a little different I figure, these things hit closer to home.
    in 2010 it was 3.6 people per 100k. in the uk it was .05. thats 72 times greater.
    note the other lines are low and flat.

    thats thousands of people a year of all ages getting their lives ended. just get rid, its one less shitty thing in the world.
    If it wasn't handguns, it'd be something else.

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    "NOW YOU LISTEN HERE YOU LIMEY RED-COAT COMMUNIST!"

    hahaha FREEDOM IS THE ONLY WAY!!!

    "If it wasn't handguns, it'd be something else."

    No thats exactly my point. the data suggests it really wouldnt!
    idiots just punch bottle brick and stab eachother and other people, which is a lot more difficult to do fatally or in sprees.
    people are dicks all over, but not giving them guns is a good thing on the whole.
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    hahaha FREEDOM IS THE ONLY WAY!!!
    Courtesy of everyone's favorite buddy UNCLE FUCKING SAM!

    No thats exactly my point. the data suggests it really wouldnt!
    Handguns are pretty convenient for killing people though I think throwing an improvised explosive or a canister of mustard gas into a crowd of panicked people would be a lot more effective and far less costly. You know, for the more frugal mass murderers out there.(Considering that it'd be planned)
    I hear stabbing is more common in the UK. Get rid of the gang related gun violence and we're actually pretty close.
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    Yep that sounds right. all other things pretty much are. we're both mature (in theory) democracies with broadly similar age demographics and wealth spectra. by banning and destroying all handguns you literally remove a big load of deaths with no other changes. its a win.
    except for people who make guns. but machinists of that caliber can make something else no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    Yep that sounds right. all other things pretty much are. we're both mature (in theory) democracies with broadly similar age demographics and wealth spectra. by banning and destroying all handguns you literally remove a big load of deaths with no other changes. its a win.
    except for people who make guns. but machinists of that caliber can make something else no problem.
    Therein lies my initial problem with gun control.
    There are a whole lot of guns out there, a whole lot of people unwilling to hand them over, and a HUGE profit margin for the illegal gun trade.
    Prohibition almost never works, mind you. And I assure you, the vast majority of those who commit most of these homicides never had any intentions of registering their guns to begin with.

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    Prohibition almost never works, mind you.

    youre imagining its some theoretical concept, even after seeing the us gun ( i keep writing gnu) murder rate was 72 x that of the uk where they are prohibited. it works fine.
    the us tho has had so many guns for so long youre right youre stuck with them forever. gutted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    Prohibition almost never works, mind you.

    youre imagining its some theoretical concept, even after seeing the us gun ( i keep writing gnu) murder rate was 72 x that of the uk where they are prohibited.
    Good for Brittan. You guys don't like guns, we get it. That's not our thing. I don't have a gun. I don't want one for that matter. I appreciate that I have the choice though. It's worth it to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    Prohibition almost never works, mind you.

    youre imagining its some theoretical concept, even after seeing the us gun ( i keep writing gnu) murder rate was 72 x that of the uk where they are prohibited. it works fine.
    the us tho has had so many guns for so long youre right youre stuck with them forever. gutted.
    Yes, well, there was this little thing that started in 1971 called the "War on Drugs" that continues to ravage our pockets and foreign lands to this day. Fueling the violence of street gangs like wildfire, filling our prisons and the wallets of cartels alike, I think it's fair to say that it was a HUGE success, right?

    There was also that thing in the 1920's, the prohibition era? Yeah, we all know how that panned out.
    Considering the other previous IMMENSELY successful attempts at prohibition I would have to say that it would be a huge waste of time, money, and resources.
    Because if there's one thing America's infatuated with more than drugs or booze, that would have to be its guns. I'm not a fan of it. I absolutely abhor guns, but I know the consequences of prohibition.

    I think you're a smart guy, I can see where this idealism comes from, but I just can't agree with you on this one.
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    Eh. The UK has two times more violent crime per capita than the US. Oh, but it's not gun crime. Yay for getting glassed in the face!
    I was once on the receiving end of a critique so savagely nasty, I marched straight out of class to the office and changed my major (sketchbook).

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    the uk also has a different definition of violent crime leading to a distorted comparison. look it up.

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    I know. Using the oranges-to-apples comparison, the UK has five times the violent crime. Attempting to impose the same definition brings it to two times. Not remembering where I read that, though.
    I was once on the receiving end of a critique so savagely nasty, I marched straight out of class to the office and changed my major (sketchbook).

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    There is a lot of homicide using guns that were not legally obtained. if you say ok now all guns are illegal you only take the weapons away from people who are licensed and legal to own them. criminals still obtain weapons anyway illegally regardless. Its like drugs they will always be around no matter what. making guns illegal wont make them go away.

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