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    Is this obsurd?

    I'm a writer and I need some art done for the cover of my novel as well as maybe a few extra concepts. I wanted to post here first to see what the concept art community thinks before I actually make an official post looking for artists. I don't want to step on any toes and I know how hard all of you here work to get your art finished. The problem is, is that I don't have money to hire an artist.

    I'd like to make a proposal and ask if any artists would be willing to contribute to my novel for credit. I'd list the artist in the acknowledgements of by book.

    Anyways, I don't know how viable this is and was wondering what you all think about it.

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    I suggest you don't do that.

    If you don't have the money, you shouldn't ask people to do it for free. Get yourself a budget and hire somebody.
    I have a even bigger problem with kids taking up jobs and does them for free cause it hurts the entire business.

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    Is this obsurd?
    Hopefully your novel is better written than your thread title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candra H View Post
    Hopefully your novel is better written than your thread title.

    Burn....

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    Cute!

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    Pay the artist.

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    Free doesn't pay the rent, nor does it buy food or keep the utilities running.

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    "Obsurd" it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by lambenttyto View Post
    I know how hard all of you here work to get your art finished
    No you don't, or you would not be asking for freebies. By the way, if you were a writer you would know that it's publishers that find cover artists, not writers.

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    Yes, it is absurd and extremely disrespectful to ask an artist to work for free. You clearly have no idea how hard of work it is, or you wouldn't even think about asking somebody to do it for free.

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    The fact that you are not willing to scrape together a couple hundred bucks to pay a half decent illustrator means you can't be taken seriously. If you were dedicated enough to take it to the finish line you'd make personal sacrifices. Hiring an illustrator would be the least of your expenses if you knew what you were getting yourself into.

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    Please be respectful. Did you know that there are artists who made their whole careers off doing work that was unpaid? Gary Kelley did paintings for the local theatre where he could do whatever he wanted and they paid to print and publish them. That was how he got the type of work out that he wanted to get out into the world...as the work you get out into the world is the type of work you end up doing and getting paid for. If someone was paying to get the book printed and the content was great and the artist really needed published works in his or her portfolio it would be worth considering. When I put out the art of massive black, I actually cut a check to get that done, and took a very meager cut on the back end in exchange for getting it done. Why would I do that? Because it got MB all over CGSociety for years, which none of my competitors could do. Every 3d art director in the biz was on that site and if we wanted work we had to be seen...in a very quality way.

    I understand the gut reaction...but in biz, reaction with guts means losing opportunities and losing business, so use your head instead - just some advice that was learned the hard way here.

    There is also an option to do the book deal and share in the royalties as you know how important cover art is to the sales of the book. So there are other options to paying up front. Kick in five or ten percent of the royalties to the artist if they are skilled.

    Those who are insulting should perhaps think before typing. Business is business and the question was entirely legit. This site is not deviant art. Please be respectful. Being dicks doesn't pay the rent either. How this could have been handled biz wise was to say yeah that's cool and all but if you want the best results what about doing a rev share? I will do the book for x percent of the back end, and I might even have some finished art that you could choose from too. You see...open up the discussion, don't shut it down and crap on it. Make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Manley View Post
    Those who are insulting should perhaps think before typing. Business is business and the question was entirely legit. This site is not deviant art. Please be respectful. Being dicks doesn't pay the rent either. How this could have been handled biz wise was to say yeah that's cool and all but if you want the best results what about doing a rev share? I will do the book for x percent of the back end, and I might even have some finished art that you could choose from too. You see...open up the discussion, don't shut it down and crap on it. Make sense?
    Absolutely. And no disrespect intended on my part.

    I'm happy to do work for free if it's a cool enough project, and have done. I'm not a professional yet so I'm probably less picky than some. But if a writer cant spell, it makes me wary about the quality of their book. Hence my comment above.

    If it's full of basic spelling errors, there's a strong possibility no one will want to buy it, which means the artist wont get any money or credibility by being associated with a poor product. Not trying to be an arsehole by saying that, just pointing out the truth as I see it.

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