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    What is art?

    Im new to the forum and found this area interesting.

    I have a big question that is bugging me, i just cant keep on because of it. What is art?

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    Art is a mode of communication where the real message is emotional, piggybacking on a different message.

    That "carrier" message can be verbal or nonverbal, its immediate content or form doesn't matter that much.

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    Well to me, art is a way of expressing oneself through different media and comes in many forms from the Fine arts to Culinary arts. It can be good or bad from plain to amazing. It does depend on the person.

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    What do you think art is?

    Art is a very subjective thing. I once saw a painting: offwhite backgraound, one simple black line across the canvas. That was it. It hung in an art museum in San Diego California. Do I think that is art? Not really...but, only because I do not understand that piece.

    But, I look at matte paintings from Ryan Church, Abstracts from Jackson Pollack, and paintings from any of 3 or 4 dozen artists and I know that I'm looking at art. Some good, some bad..but, it's all art.

    There's a good book that explains abstract art. It is called "A painting is like a pizza". It really does a good job explaining what abstract art is, and you can expand that definition to be all of art.

    In short...wheter you agree with it or not, that painting in San Diego....it's art. Good photos, bad photos, blurry photos...it's all art.

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    I'm going to go with Darkwolf on this one.

    Art is incredibly subjective, lets take a look at the dictionary definition according to oxford

    Definition of art
    noun
    1 [mass noun] the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power:
    the art of the Renaissance
    great art is concerned with moral imperfections
    she studied art in Paris
    works produced by human creative skill and imagination:
    his collection of modern art
    [as modifier]:
    an art critic
    creative activity resulting in the production of paintings, drawings, or sculpture:
    she’s good at art
    2 (the arts) the various branches of creative activity, such as painting, music, literature, and dance:
    the visual arts
    [in singular]:
    the art of photography
    3 (arts) subjects of study primarily concerned with human creativity and social life, such as languages, literature, and history (as contrasted with scientific or technical subjects):
    the belief that the arts and sciences were incompatible
    the Faculty of Arts
    4a skill at doing a specified thing, typically one acquired through practice:
    the art of conversation
    Based off that, anything created can be considered art. But i really resonate with the "emotional power" part of that definition.
    Personally i look at it this way: Anything created with intention to incite a response from its audience is art. Now whether or not its successful is another matter entirely which depends on the viewer. So its up to you to decide if it did incite a response in you. And if it didn't, could it still be art? Because maybe it moved me.
    In the end, its up to you, the audience, to decide.

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    Just here to say i have read all but aint sure what to answer. Thanks for the replys!

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    Remember when this would have spawned an 8-page thread full of modern bashing, pomo BS, personal insults, and eventually unrelated youtube videos?

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    ...and we stopped doing that why...when...?

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    I think we represent a smaller gene pool of irritable bastards at the moment.

    I was once on the receiving end of a critique so savagely nasty, I marched straight out of class to the office and changed my major (sketchbook).
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    Then the rest of us will just have to work harder...won't we?

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    According to Vincent van Gogh, the famous expressionist painter who cut one ear by itself, is art equal to human + nature.

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    Rasa Todosijević 'amazing video work' Was ist Art? 1978
    What is art? = Was ist Kunst,
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    Ilaekae, where on Earth have you been!?

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    Art is a bag of kittens

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    Hi guys...

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    That, my dear Ms Spot, is gonna take a long time...

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    I don't believe it is a good question for artists because every answer you get will limit you in finding out by yourself. I can however answer directly WHEN it is art.When someone sees a painting and says this is art.. it will be .. so it is. so that is art! OF course other people look at the same thing saying it is shit! But that is how relative art is! Last week I saw a painting that was just a blank canvas.But the beholder/owner liked it for it being the pinnacle of ambivalence.

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    Gibi: So when one person says something is art and another says it is not... What is it? Both things at the same time? Half art, half not art? Neither?
    What you are saying, particularly as you use the post modern litany of 'art is relative', is that art is meaningless. A belief endorsed by your last statement.

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    Actually the opposite! Lets say two people stand in front of a painting. Both are different human beings so had different conditioning, their own influences. For one it is good for the other not as much. It depends on what you've been exposed to before.And no not half art, half not art but just art for one and non art for the other.That doesn't make it meaningless. It's like trying to share your insights. For one it is obvious while the other didn't think of it like that before.

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    You are saying it is subjective. And that is the same as saying there is no consensus as to what it is. Consensus is a prerequisite for the establishment of meaning.

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    And this had long been my point as I try to teach Chris. The word art has lost its power. It used to be a powerful word but now we cannot corral it except to mold it to our own ways of thinking. Now I'll cry.

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    Then you have defined everything that we as humans make Artshed. So again if it is everything it is nothing.

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    Then maybe I should remove my comment since I was talking to the spammer?

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    What is art?

    The question is more important than the answer(s). Let it be different things to different people, so that there may be variety.

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    TASmith! What! I'm gonna burn you at the stake for heresy!

    This is what's causing all the problem for hundreds of thousands of talented people out there. Our culture has been brainwashed by the mandarin high priests of the post modern dogma that the question of what is art, is relative. Which is the same as saying art is subjective. Which is the same as saying it has no consensus. Which is the same as saying it is impotent as a reliable communicator between individuals. Which is the same as saying it is meaningless.

    If this is what you believe then the question of what is art is not even worth asking.
    For you are playing a game of your own devising, by your own rules and it is one that no one but yourself will ever understand or care about.

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