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    My cherry girl needs help.

    Well, if any one is able to browse the forum right now, I could use a nice crit on this. It's still a WIP, of course, but there is plenty of time for modifications and such. I'm still trying to reach a style that I like. I will have to study up some more

    The thing that is bugging the hell out of me is the frickin face. I just...can't capture the female beauty, and it's never by much either. It's usually some minor adjustments here and there when I show my friend. Maybe I am trying to render too much still? Grrrrrr.. I dunno, I have been working on this all day, redoing things over and over, maybe my eyes just need a break. anyways... I was trying to do that whole pinup style with the face. Appreciate the time for comments, thanks.

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    Yo, reference all over dat shit. You're trying to pull up reference from your brain and its coming up empty I'm assuming. It's like guessing for artists. Get the answers. If you're going for a pin-up style look that shit up, look up pulp comics of the 1930-40s. Then find some reference for a similar pose (try fashion models) so that you don't have that stiff mannequin body. Then you have to consider how her dress will lay against her body and all of that fun stuff.

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    I have been using reference. I'm trying to incorporate that style with mine, which is the problem. I guess the better question would be, am i succeeding at combining the two. And the pose looks weird because you can't see the sketch under it. The dress makes sense when the lines are visible..I'll upload another image tomorrow with the lines as well as the photo I have been using for reference.. Going to bed now. Thanks
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    I think some of the proportions are a little more masculine. The shoulders are pretty broad and she has a relatively strong jawline with a prominent chin. There are some women who do have features like that, but as far as going for a pin-up look the features could be a little softer. As for the pose and such, I think it would be a lot of help if we can see the underlying sketch and the photographic reference.
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    Thanks Sid. After getting a good night's rest and a clear head, I can see what's going on now. You're right about both, I made adjustments on them, as well as thinning out the arms a little too. Here is what I did, I also included the sketch layer so that the pose makes sense with the dress.

    I also want to correct what I said earlier about the "Pinup" issue. I was more or less trying to follow the lighting and skin colors to a degree, not the style.

    Here is the link I know her skin is more orange-red in the link, but I might not go that route. We'll see.
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    What should be bugging you is not the face, it's the pure neutral gray background. Very bad choice.

    The other thing is that you are working unevenly, detailing some bits but neglecting the others. You're likely to get a picture that looks like inconsistent patchwork. It's better to work gradually all over the canvas, instead of focusing on the face or arm and forgetting all the rest.

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    you're right. I just get on the tangent of wanting things to look right as I am going along so I end up getting hung up on certain areas. It's different every time. What would you recommend for a BG color to work with? I only chose gray so the white doesn't kill my eyes. I already have a BG color in mind for when I work on it.
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    Aww man, no pin-up style? I was kinda excited. I had this weird idea that the pin up style was a series of American made canon of proportions. Notice how Loomis had a very similar style to his women, and how he uses a grid for proportions.

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    He certainly does. I have his book =) and use it to study from. I have been practicing, trying to refine my style, but there are things about the way I draw that need tweaking. So when I am done with this I will probably hit the books again and really try to nail it into my head. I can't complain though, I have come a long ways compared to a year ago, and even more so about 2 years ago. I still probably have about 7 more years of hard work to get caught up with the professionals here.
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    It looks like you had reference of a woman walking along, swinging her arms and then...cherry. Plop.
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    I don't get it. You're going to have to translate what you just said. I mean, I understand everything but the very last part.

    *edit* wait...perhaps you mean...I got everything laid out and then a fully rendered cherry? lols
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    It looks awkward, like it doesn't belong there. It looks like two different pictures. Who holds things over the shoulder with the pinky and ring finger? (Seriously, try taking that pose yourself). Is the stem of the cherry pressing on her arm in any way? Why isn't it casting a shadow or making a dent in her flesh? Why the hell is that thing there?

    Sorry. Monday. Feeling cranky.
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    Lol. Well this isn't even done, and as stated in the OP there is plenty of time for changes and modifications. Now, let me explain the reasons for doing things that I have because I have this whole huge setting in my head that makes sense as to why I am going this route.

    1.) Yes, she has two GIANT cherries with her. It looks out of place because you only see a fraction of where I am at with this, and I got carried away with the rendering of that cherry because it was fun.

    2.) Why? Because I live in the cherry capitol of the world and this is going to be an entry for the festival that is held here in the summer. I want a somewhat fantasy theme to this entire piece because I live in a very beautiful area that is amazing during the summer, like what you would see in a fantasy movie. It's nothing like New Zealand, but its still damn awesome here.

    3.) Why is she holding the cherry that way and is it denting her flesh?: Before I answer this, I want to say that these are things that I have thoroughly though about before you even asked this question. Yes, it will be denting her flesh and it orginally was. But I have made many, many, many, adjustments to that arm that it is no longer draped over her arm correctly. That will be fixed. That is why there is no visible shadow or dent right now. The reasoning for depicting why she holds it that way is because, she is looking at the viewer while walking by, and her fingers are up as a gesture of acknowledgement("oh hey there"), of the audience. And yes, I can very easily do that with my hand and it's not uncomfortable either, especially when you have a heavy weight to keep that half of your hand from moving much. But that wasn't the point. The weight of the cherries would not require a full grip. It's the idea that they are heavy, her hand is there to keep the hard, rope like stem from digging into her shoulder. This is all human tested by yours truly, I just don't have giant red cherries, but I have weights and thick rope.

    Thank you for the questions, I hope that all makes sense and I hope you have a better Monday than usual. =)
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    Your base drawing lacks articulation of perspective and volume. This was carried into painting. You should go back to drawing and revise it, pay more attention to form construction. Also the perspective of the cherry is greatly inconsistent with the seeming perspective of the figure.

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    oookay then.

    Went back and fixed up the sketch that had many eye sores, which is what happens when I force my self to draw on a day when I just can't do anything right. Soooo hopefully the sketch is more correct? Changed the BG to something else, for the sake of not having a grey one I guess, lol.

    Think maybe I should thin the arms out a little more?

    *edit* Went and thinned out the arms a bit more.
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