Last edited by Lost My Marbles; June 19th, 2015 at 11:35 AM.
Hey, thanks for your post!
Haha yeah one could say we have a very similar handwriting, and I like your style! You're doing various stuff and all of them on a good level!
The photorealistic piece at the end of your post is what I like best so far! Can't wait to see more! The second hand study as well as the drwan panel-like page are really good,
I like your lines and your sense of values using a pencil!
So, put up more (random) stuff - I'd like to see more
Have a good day,
Thank you so much for visiting!
I'll be sure to upload more. I'm planning on doing 2 paintings and an illustration for 2 other entrance exams so hopefully I'll have all that stuff up in a couple of weeks. I'll probably do some sketches in the meantime. Also looking forward to your future works. I really want to know if you end up going to art school too. I'm curious about you now. From the few sketches I have seen I can tell you have some good stuff in you. I'm sure you can make it. Mind if I add you as a friend?
You have some neat sketches going on! I like the black and white drawings especially.
The first three watercolor things are beautiful. The color combos are great, and the slightly-off perspective on the buildings is charming. Seriously, these just ooze charm. The second one is my favorite. The people are a bit wonky, but that's fine, it's clear you're developing a style, and you weren't going for realism anyway.
Give realism a try in art school, sure, but honestly I don't think it's for everyone, and I personally think it'd be a shame if you gave up the fantastic story-book style you've got going. I wish I could draw like that, but I'm so used to having one foot in the realistic world, and one foot in the animated/flowy world, that it seems hard to break out of. I dunno what I'd call your look ... symbolic? It's hard for me to pull off, personally.
Do you have any inspirations, or you just developed that style on your own? (I'm sure you have inspirations even if you don't realize it)
You have alot of variety and character in your artwork. I really like the b/W where the surroundings seems to bend as if a strong wind pulling them further into the picture. I'm not sure if I can give you anything constructive, I have limited experience and kind of a sceardy cat when it comes to stepping on toes. =) However, I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Thank you everyone for comenting. I really apreciate it.
Originally Posted by diamandis
Yeah your right about the weird wonky characters. I did the last 2 about two years ago so I cringe every time I look at them, but I still love them, they are my babies after all (very wonky babies). I have more of them, but I wouldn't dare post them here. I still suck at character design though. What interests me more are the environments and creating a certain feel.
I want to make picture books one day, so I'm glad you think the color pictures look like picture book illustrations. :-) Heh, so you think my paintings look like symbolism huh. I’ve never heard anyone say that to me before. It’s interesting.
My inspiration? I get it from real life believe it or not. There are some really cool old buildings where I live, that look as if they were built by a hack. The perspective in those buildings also looks off. I just interpreted them in my own way. My style is just me working around my shortcomings. When I started that picture book series, I made some really, really bad paintings. I was new to painting and I still had the skill level of a 13-year-old. I took what I had learnt from those ugly pictures and made a new series. I improved a lot, but it's not there yet I think. I'll keep working at it. The black and white things are just an extension of what I was doing with the colored things. I'm experimenting a bit at the moment.
There are artists I admire, but I've never had the urge to emulate them. I love what they do, but I do not want to do what they do. It’s just not for me. Let’s see... I'm a great big fan of Shaun Tan (picture book artist) his work is amazing. Discovered him just a few months ago. My work looks nothing like his but when I look at his pictures and stories I just can't help but think he is a grown up me with more talent. Others I admire are Gaudi (the architect dude), MC Escher (graphic artist), Taiyo Matsumoto (manga artist) and so many others. That last guy does weird architecture too. When I discovered him I thought to myself "Finally, I am not the only crazy person anymore".
I love doing a lot of different things. I like drawing realism, but as you said, it is not for everyone. For now It's just what I do to improve my skills as an artist, the picture book thing is where I want to go. My brother says I might do well with abstraction, but I'm not sure that's up my alley. I'll just go with the flow and see where it takes me.
Thank you. Feel free to step on my toes though. Not saying you have to, but I'd be totally fine with it.Originally Posted by dicemarine
I feel like we're having the same conversation across multiple threads.
Wow, that Shaun Tan is pretty epic. I love that kind of stuff. Lots of character. BTW, your environments and colors remind me a little of the background art from a game called Machinarium, which I also thought was really stylish and expressive.
I recognize the Tekkon Kinkreet art done by your Matsumoto. I personally can't do environments so well yet. So much detail. I'd probably go insane. But I haven't really tried yet. Someday.
Re: your wonky characters, I didn't mean that as an insult. You can definitely avoid doing realistic characters, plenty of people do. But whether or not they're realistic, you should still strive to make them look good. The Mayor Gray character is drawn really well, for example. It doesn't matter that his proportions aren't realistic, that his face isn't realistic, and so on. It's still a charming drawing, and he looks great. On the other hand, the big dude raising his fist, in your third drawing, looks not so good. And again, it's not the fact that he's not drawn realistically, it's that he's awkward-looking in other small ways aside from that. The thing is, it's harder to know what's wrong when you don't strive for realism. In a way, the artists who draw realistically have it easier, because they can look up references. There are pictures of humans EVERYWHERE, and the artist can always pose, or get live models. When you're doing your own style, what references do you have? You don't, really. You can look to others who've done similar styles, that's it. And you can develop your own style and get a feel for what looks right and wrong through lots and lots and lots of trial and error. I mentioned that in my own sketchbook. It was something I realized as I was trying to experiment with non-realistic stuff.
Let's see ... who draws characters like you do? (I'm looking through my gigantic folder of references.) Check these people out, see if you like anything:
Alex T. Smith
Jon Klassen (don't Google for his official site, looks like it's been hacked)
Sylvain Marc (not that similar to you actually, but I love this guy, and he does lovely environments)
Haha true that.I feel like we're having the same conversation across multiple threads.
I haven’t played that game, but it looks absolutely amazing. I'll try to get my hands on it.
Yes I know you didn't mean it as an insult. I knew what you meant. I know I'm not going for realism, but I do need some more knowledge about anatomy and stuff. Even cartoons need anatomy.
Maybe I'll learn to make better characters if I do a series about them. But I think I also need to draw and observe more real people. By basing them off of real people they might get more character.
How do you think up characters? I just make random shapes and if I see something in it I can turn it into a character, but I find it hard to just think up something out of nowhere.
Wow thanks for the links. Those are some amazing artists. I especially like Jon Klassen's stuff. That's some amazing work.
Re: thinking up characters: it's a mix of things. The majority of the time it's accidents, kind of like you're describing. I'll draw a weird, loose head shape, then draw in an eye, then draw in a nose in some random style that might complement the eye, and so on. Nothing really planned out, just a series of tiny experiments chained together which end up forming a character. Most of the time these experiments fail, sometimes they don't. Sometimes I'll redraw something slightly successful over and over, making incremental tweaks, until I feel like I'm arriving at something.
Every once in a while an image will pop into my mind, mostly fully formed, but this is rare. The clearest images are ones that'll flash in my mind's eye for a second as I'm trying to fall asleep, but those are rare too. I'll either wake up and draw them or remember them for later. Those are fun. They're a reminder that your brain has huge imaginative capacity, even if it doesn't always shine through.
I actually recently looked through my old sketchbook from 2004, before I quit drawing, and I noticed that most of the sketches in there were pretty damn good, and there was very little repetition, meaning I was getting things right on my first try, and maybe also meaning I was much better at envisioning things in the first place, at will? I dunno. Nowadays I have a sloppy hand and make tons of mistakes. It really sucks ... makes me wonder if I lost something, and whether I'll ever get it back.
Anyway! One thing I wanted to mention: this forum is great, but don't spend so much time here that you eat away at your art time. I'm just now learning that. If you're on here, and in the back of your mind is this gnawing feeling that you should really be practicing instead, then step away and get working right then and there. That's WAY more important than maintaining your sketchbook or whatever. These sketchbooks are really supposed to be a reflection of the work you do. A side effect. Not an end goal in themselves. If that makes any sense. Good luck.
Why thanks? I like your work, so obviously I'm gonna visit now and then! I've got to watch your progress!
Upload these 4 pieces as soon as you finish them and tell me if you got in and why! I'm sure they'll take you!
As you said in my topic, I like to work conceptual, and I think fine arts at art school is the right choice for me, but we'll see! I will make experiences and do a lot of stuff,
and maybe someday I know what's my call haha. No I don't mind, I'd be pleased
Maybe we can help each other to stay motivational and do different things than we used to!
Just sneak a peak at My Sketchbook !
Last edited by Lost My Marbles; June 19th, 2015 at 11:37 AM.
Re: getting nervous when making something important vs. sketching: I think a lot of artists base finished drawings on loose sketches, to preserve the confidence and playfulness of those sketches. But I don't know, personally. Not much experience. Interesting theory about the sloppy hand, dunno if true. My handwriting has gotten worse over the years too, and I make lots of mistakes. I think I might have dysgraphia, and it might be affecting my drawing. But I've been practicing lately, and I like a lot of what I see, so maybe I'm okay after all.
Your drawing is pretty good, but I think the colors could be more unified / interesting. This is probably much harder to achieve when using physical media vs. using a computer. I'm terrible w/ picking initial colors. I always tweak them in Photoshop until I get something harmonious. I rely heavily on experimentation and happy accidents.
Re: feeling crappy about your work. Over the past couple of days, I've decided to regard negative thoughts as a natural side effect of the progress of improving our skills. On the one hand, they're good because it means we've got a critical eye and we can tell we need to get better, but on the other hand, we often end up taking them too seriously, giving them too much weight. Honestly, I think it's just our brains straining against the effort of getting better. The thoughts are essentially exhaust fumes (or farts, if you want to think of them that way) that have a habit of hitting you in the face. You can either sit there and wallow in them, choking, OR you can move on. For the past couple of days, what I've been doing is acknowledging them for a second, then forgetting them and forging ahead.
They're mostly illogical anyway: e.g., "I'm not good, therefore I should stop practicing." Yeah, that makes sense: you'll see much better improvement by quitting.
I think it was pointed out in that motivation thread that people seem to think that the fact they have negative thoughts is a bad sign, as if the talented artists must not have them, when that's probably completely wrong. I'll bet a lot of successful creatives have been through utter hell psychologically, beating themselves up a lot. But they pressed on, regardless, and they made it.
Last thing: what's a pretty sucky school? The art school you want to go to? Why are you going to a sucky school?!
(I'll stop posting these long replies, I swear. I need to take my own advice and get back to work. Don't feel obligated to reply to every single point unless you have something to say. I mean that with the best intentions, haha. =)
Yep I agree with my foreposter! I really like the idea of putting newspaper into some illustration, it creates a bit the feeling a readymade haha
Just try to keep focused and pull your stuff through! Don't get pissed about failing something and do it better the next time.
Did you get denials as well? And what did they say to you?
So your plan is to hand in your maps at various schools and pick out the one that suits you best?
you gotta tell me why you don't want to go to the particular schools or why you're going to attend at that specific one, when you made your decision!
maybe that will help me I don't know yet.. thought about going to art school in Amsterdam, so in your country am I right?
Do you've got any advice about that?
Just sneak a peak at My Sketchbook !
BTW, the only reason I'm strict and weird about updating my sketchbook lately is that I've wasted a lot of time and now I'm trying to play catch-up, so I'm trying to be disciplined. But it's your sketchbook, do what you want with it. Sorry if I've been coming off like a drill sergeant, and if it's been rubbing off on you, haha.
Something I keep meaning to mention ... I think you asked about fluid lines earlier. It can help to pivot your elbow or shoulder instead of your wrist or fingers when you're trying to achieve nice, confident, fluid lines. This video at Ctrl+Paint introduced me to the idea, and it's had a big effect the last couple months, IMO. I personally still can't draw holding the pencil on its side, but the elbow/shoulder stuff is useful. Ctrl+Paint in general has some pretty good intro videos. I need to get back to those someday.
Another random tip: don't be afraid to fill up your physical sketchbooks quickly. Don't think of them as precious (unless they're expensive, in which case, er, buy cheaper ones). I've heard artists will usually fill up one sketchbook per month. I'm nowhere near there, but now that I'm practicing a lot, I can definitely see that happening.
Last edited by Lost My Marbles; June 19th, 2015 at 11:38 AM.
I like your water color drawings a lot, the figures have an interesting rhythm going on. It's also nice to see your studies!
very interesting illustrations i must admit!!! some of them reminds me of franch comic books by Nicola de Crecy
try to find some images of them !!!!! keep it up man you have talent and original your style is and that is more important for art!!!
Thank you for your kind words and thank you for showing me that link. That guy is amazing! I love cities that look like they're alive. :-)
Aw man, did you already desert us? Come back! I stole a little of your style for something I did recently. What are you gonna do about it?
Last edited by Lost My Marbles; June 20th, 2015 at 03:47 AM.
hehe I knew you were exaggerating. I was just playing along. ;-)
Can I see the stolen goods? Is it in your SB? :-D
Weird buildings are hardly my invention though. I do them in my own way, but a lot of people do it. I'd feel weird too, drawing weirdo buildings in someone else’s style. Drawing like someone else feels like having a foreign object on your body. It just feels off somehow.
Last edited by Lost My Marbles; April 15th, 2013 at 01:51 AM.
Yes, in my SB.
If the style I'm copying is WAY different from my own style (if I can be said to have a style), then yeah, it feels weird. But I'm starting to realize there's a handful of styles that feel compatible with mine, and I feel right at home imitating them.
Last edited by Lost My Marbles; June 20th, 2015 at 03:48 AM.
You have that same wacky style as MattiasA has. This can only become a huge win if you stick with it but don't forget to study.
Your sketches are off to a good start. Gestures are exactly what you have there so you're not completely off the map.
I'd suggest you also try more natural poses as opposed to the sports related ones. keep it up.
Liking the gesture drawings! And those watercolour illustrations...absolutely adore the way you've done them! Your style for drawing characters and rendering is really quite charming, reminds me of Tin Tin in a way!
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