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    Female Mechanic

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    Any crit on the finer points of anatomy that I'm screwing up, and any help on my material rendering would make me happy.

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    I'm still learning myself, but to me it looks mostly okay, I just think the shins and the lower torso are a little too strongly defined. Emphasising bone structure is great, but on the torso it makes her look a little emaciated. Love the design though

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    I like it, its very nice. I would give her a little more muscle in her arms, especially if she's toiling away with mechanical parts.

     

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    Hi Maths,

    very nice piece, I think the only thing that seems a little bit strange is her face, it looks like its pressed to the side, maybe try to put it more in perspective,
    I'm not sure about the shins either, I think they don't stand out so much. I've tried some little paintover (made the head also slightly bigger),
    I hope it might show my point, but as I'm no master myself it might be worthless lol. Anyway keep up your great work and cheers :-)!

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    Thanks people, yea the face certainly wasn't sitting solidly on the head, and the arms were a little skinny, I've done a rough blocky paint over, maybe she's a little more natural

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    (fyi i am not very good so take my words with a grain a salt!!!!)

    it looks better, but i think the pose as a whole is a little flawed; if you try it out in the mirror, it's actually very hard to physically replicate it without breaking your back. the wrench/hand is also in a bit of an awkward position, i'd play around with that a bit more.
    maybe take a look at some references?

     

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    The pose seems really wonky. She's leaning profusely towards one side as if this wrench would weight 20 kg, but she has really strange footwork.

    Design wise, I don't see sense on her showing so much skin when lots of hot substances can spray from an engine in a split second. The female part on female mechanic shouldn't have so much weight. She's a mechanic, being male or female doesn't add so much to this fact.

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    Her upper arms look kinda short and way skinny to me.

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    I'll go with the others, 1st her pose, if a mechanic of any sort went around the garage with her feet all floppy like that she'd be an accident waiting to happen (not to mention the bracelets and kerchief around her neck - love to see them get caught in the fan belt as she leans over the engine...) Which leads me to a pet peeve - we don't dress male mechanics to emphasize their gender/sexual assets, so why would we do that for a female mechanic? It's either sexist or lazy, and I'm not sure which is worse.
    OK, rant over now, sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justa View Post
    I'll go with the others, 1st her pose, if a mechanic of any sort went around the garage with her feet all floppy like that she'd be an accident waiting to happen (not to mention the bracelets and kerchief around her neck - love to see them get caught in the fan belt as she leans over the engine...) Which leads me to a pet peeve - we don't dress male mechanics to emphasize their gender/sexual assets, so why would we do that for a female mechanic? It's either sexist or lazy, and I'm not sure which is worse.
    OK, rant over now, sorry about that.

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    Well it isn't sexist as you just set up a complete straw man. We don't emphasize male mechanics sexual assets? Who's we? You and anyone else can do that and it has been done. Calling things sexist without thinking is lazy and offensive towards real cases of sexism. Since when was making someone attractive or sexual sexist? I fail to see how her stomach is a sexual asset, do you want her in a burka? That would be sexist. She is obviously not meant to be a real life run of the mill mechanic, she looks desert bound, post apocalyptic probably inspired by borderlands.

     

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    My goodness we are a tad defensive... and not averse to a strawman yourself with your reference to a burka. Sexism is a pervasive theme in our society, less blatant most of the time today but still as problematic as 40 years ago. Yes I'm sure you could find a picture of a male mechanic in that pose and belly-revealing outfit if you really looked. But it is not how men are commonly portrayed. I refer you to the Hawkeye project, or just google "male superheroes sexualized" to see the real difference in how we portray men and women in popular culture.

    Now the thing is, as a middle aged, middle class white male, I don't get to define what is sexist or not, any more than I'm allowed to complain when black people point out that racism is also systematic and pervasive in our culture. But I do listen to their experiences, and their definitions. It's also important to remember that we don't have to intend something as sexist or racist for it to be so. To see blatant sexism in action in the gaming culture, for example, you have but to read the experience of this woman: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...s/posts/242547. The denial of sexism becomes the means by which sexism is expressed.

    Having said all that, to be clear I was not saying you are a sexist neanderthal. The central thrust of my post was agreeing with previously made comments about the pose and costume.

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    Just to clarify, this was done to a brief: "we want the girl mechanic to look attractive and cute, we want to see that she is the female aspect to the masculine energy of her car". A woman in mechanic's overalls has already been designed by the practicalities of reality, at the risk of stating the obvious - this is concept art. It's made up.

    She hasn't got massive breasts or a dumb pout, and isn't exposing all of her skin. I'm neither lazy nor sexist. I really don't imagine anyone feeling oppressed or objectified by my silly picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justa View Post
    My goodness we are a tad defensive... and not averse to a strawman yourself with your reference to a burka.
    That wasn't a straw man, it is was a question. Learn what you're talking about.


    But it is not how men are commonly portrayed.
    It depends on what medium. In porn both are portrayed sexy obviously, in real life advertisements neither are. This excuse would only make sense if he/she was making the concept a real life mechanic, as he/she mentioned it is a CONCEPT. A concept that only someone without reason could get offended over and call sexist. Portraying women or men as sexual in art is not and never will be sexist, the sexism occurs in context. Say for instance we had to draw political figures and I drew all the men in suits and Hilary Clinton in a bikini, you could make a sensible case for sexism there as she is portrayed as the only sexual one. But it wouldn't be sexist if Obama was also in speedo's looking fine. It also would not be sexist if it was making a point out of it or satire.

    But I do listen to their experiences, and their definitions.
    Good for you, seriously is this message anything but a PSA for how great and none sexist you are?



    It's also important to remember that we don't have to intend something as sexist or racist for it to be so.
    Yawn. Never said you did.


    To see blatant sexism in action in the gaming culture, for example, you have but to read the experience of this woman: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...s/posts/242547. .
    What you are writing would be relevant if I claimed sexism didn't exist, however I never made that claim so I have no idea why you are wasting my time with things I am already aware of.

    The denial of sexism becomes the means by which sexism is expressed
    No, it can be in the case of internet gaming trolls, but it can also be a legitimate denial when what you're saying has no legitimacy or merit. Talking in generals won't help you. Defending your statement with a valid thought process will. Yet throughout this whole complacent message you haven't justified your claim with any semblance of logic. Again how is this specific piece of art sexist?

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    hahaha the fun of internet. I really like that blocky paintover you did. The only thing I really see is maybe her feet aren't really solid on the ground? But someone else already said that so XDD Like, I think maybe the back leg be slightly higher where it contacts the ground, if it is further away from us in perspective.

     

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    I can see from your post that this conversation, if continued, can only end badly. I have clearly upset you and my attempt to explain my thoughts has only upset you further. I thought of just ignoring this thread but didn't want to leave any bad feelings in the air. So I would like to apologize for having upset you, and also hope we can get back to the art.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by justa View Post
    I can see from your post that this conversation, if continued, can only end badly. I have clearly upset you and my attempt to explain my thoughts has only upset you further. I thought of just ignoring this thread but didn't want to leave any bad feelings in the air. So I would like to apologize for having upset you, and also hope we can get back to the art.

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    How have you upset me? It isn't my art, the only person that should be upset is you because you called others sexist without thinking.

     

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    Just made a few slight adjustments to the pose and changed the lighting on the face, I think the values are really reading well and the whole piece is really coming together. Deffo the opening page of my portfolio.

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    As I said, no point in continuing further.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by justa View Post
    As I said, no point in continuing further.
    Well yes there is as you still haven't justified your accusation of sexism with any logic. The only thing that is left is for you to do is either explain how is it sexist or concede you were talking nonsense. If you want to make accusations you can't be surprised when someone asks you to back them up.

     

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    Some subtle level adjustments and added some reflected light, touch of warmer tones in the shadows, I still need to study up on rendering the materials a bit better, but I'm really happy with the overall read of the image.

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    You're definitely pushing it in the right direction, Maths. All these crits have certainly helped!

     

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    I appreciate you want your character to look attractive, but giving her exposed skin and easily snagged accessories(bracelets, neckerchief) in a job where it would be impractical to for her to do so will probably make the character seem less than intelligent. As for the 'it's made up' argument, we generally assume a fictional world is like and has the details of our own unless otherwise stated.
    That said, she reminds me a bit of the female mechanic character Alyx Vance from the Half Life series, which is nice.
    Maybe colour in her hairband to bring more emphasis on her face? Making it the same orange as the earring might contrast nicely with the blue in her clothing. You could replace the bandanna with a pushed-down welding neck protector or something similar to make it more practical.

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    I fail to see how her stomach is a sexual asset
    Check "belly dancer" on google, that will learn you one or two things about that ;-)
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    Now in my opinion yours isn't very feminine and that's a big part of the problem. I'm sorry but she is very square, the silhouette is more man than female, you draw her with strait lines and not a lot of curves. That's something you maybe can work on to emphasis the "female" aspect before thinking adding more skin or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazetta View Post
    I appreciate you want your character to look attractive, but giving her exposed skin and easily snagged accessories(bracelets, neckerchief) in a job where it would be impractical to for her to do so will probably make the character seem less than intelligent. As for the 'it's made up' argument, we generally assume a fictional world is like and has the details of our own unless otherwise stated.
    That said, she reminds me a bit of the female mechanic character Alyx Vance from the Half Life series, which is nice.
    Maybe colour in her hairband to bring more emphasis on her face? Making it the same orange as the earring might contrast nicely with the blue in her clothing. You could replace the bandanna with a pushed-down welding neck protector or something similar to make it more practical.

    Yes. I can't help, but agree whole-heartedly with this. I can't see why a mechanic would wear pink, high-heel shoes and pink nail polish while working on cars, a profession that I assume its very easy to get dirty in. With all these elements, she strikes me more as a woman dressing in a sexy mechanics costume for a Halloween party, then a genuine mechanic. She can still be pretty, but she must also be believable as a real mechanic and not just dressing up vaguely like one. Possibly a good referential starting point would be the character design of the Mechromancer from Borderlands 2 (http://videogame-art.com/wp-content/...evinPenrod.jpg).

    Also, while the newer pose is more balanced, it's also very stiff. There is not a lot of movement in her spine. I would suggest looking at standing poses that make use of the line of action. A slight curve in the spine does wonders to make the character look more dynamic.
    Examples of the line of action would include these-

    1.) http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ns/Kim0061.jpg

    2.) http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs50/f/20...shermcohen.jpg

    3.) http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/outlo...2_original.jpg

    4.) http://www.techcomix.com/sites/techc...re-drawing.png

    (Yeah, I know a couple of these are for animation, but the basic principle still applies to static character drawings, as well).

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    I invested the last two images with a certain irony. Of course I know that mechanics don't wear pink high heels.....

    They are usually black high heels, so oil stains don't show up.

     

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    I think the OP is just being humorous due to the conversation going on. Gave me a bit of a laugh with the changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maths82 View Post
    I invested the last two images with a certain irony. Of course I know that mechanics don't wear pink high heels.....

    They are usually black high heels, so oil stains don't show up.
    Hah beat me to it

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    Is this thread still serious or is it now just an ironic shadow of its former self?

    Crits a crit. Do you want one or not, op?

     

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