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    Female Mechanic

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    Any crit on the finer points of anatomy that I'm screwing up, and any help on my material rendering would make me happy.
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    I'm still learning myself, but to me it looks mostly okay, I just think the shins and the lower torso are a little too strongly defined. Emphasising bone structure is great, but on the torso it makes her look a little emaciated. Love the design though
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    I like it, its very nice. I would give her a little more muscle in her arms, especially if she's toiling away with mechanical parts.

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    Hi Maths,

    very nice piece, I think the only thing that seems a little bit strange is her face, it looks like its pressed to the side, maybe try to put it more in perspective,
    I'm not sure about the shins either, I think they don't stand out so much. I've tried some little paintover (made the head also slightly bigger),
    I hope it might show my point, but as I'm no master myself it might be worthless lol. Anyway keep up your great work and cheers :-)!

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    Thanks people, yea the face certainly wasn't sitting solidly on the head, and the arms were a little skinny, I've done a rough blocky paint over, maybe she's a little more natural
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    (fyi i am not very good so take my words with a grain a salt!!!!)

    it looks better, but i think the pose as a whole is a little flawed; if you try it out in the mirror, it's actually very hard to physically replicate it without breaking your back. the wrench/hand is also in a bit of an awkward position, i'd play around with that a bit more.
    maybe take a look at some references?

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    The pose seems really wonky. She's leaning profusely towards one side as if this wrench would weight 20 kg, but she has really strange footwork.

    Design wise, I don't see sense on her showing so much skin when lots of hot substances can spray from an engine in a split second. The female part on female mechanic shouldn't have so much weight. She's a mechanic, being male or female doesn't add so much to this fact.
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    Her upper arms look kinda short and way skinny to me.
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    I'll go with the others, 1st her pose, if a mechanic of any sort went around the garage with her feet all floppy like that she'd be an accident waiting to happen (not to mention the bracelets and kerchief around her neck - love to see them get caught in the fan belt as she leans over the engine...) Which leads me to a pet peeve - we don't dress male mechanics to emphasize their gender/sexual assets, so why would we do that for a female mechanic? It's either sexist or lazy, and I'm not sure which is worse.
    OK, rant over now, sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justa View Post
    I'll go with the others, 1st her pose, if a mechanic of any sort went around the garage with her feet all floppy like that she'd be an accident waiting to happen (not to mention the bracelets and kerchief around her neck - love to see them get caught in the fan belt as she leans over the engine...) Which leads me to a pet peeve - we don't dress male mechanics to emphasize their gender/sexual assets, so why would we do that for a female mechanic? It's either sexist or lazy, and I'm not sure which is worse.
    OK, rant over now, sorry about that.

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    Well it isn't sexist as you just set up a complete straw man. We don't emphasize male mechanics sexual assets? Who's we? You and anyone else can do that and it has been done. Calling things sexist without thinking is lazy and offensive towards real cases of sexism. Since when was making someone attractive or sexual sexist? I fail to see how her stomach is a sexual asset, do you want her in a burka? That would be sexist. She is obviously not meant to be a real life run of the mill mechanic, she looks desert bound, post apocalyptic probably inspired by borderlands.

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    My goodness we are a tad defensive... and not averse to a strawman yourself with your reference to a burka. Sexism is a pervasive theme in our society, less blatant most of the time today but still as problematic as 40 years ago. Yes I'm sure you could find a picture of a male mechanic in that pose and belly-revealing outfit if you really looked. But it is not how men are commonly portrayed. I refer you to the Hawkeye project, or just google "male superheroes sexualized" to see the real difference in how we portray men and women in popular culture.

    Now the thing is, as a middle aged, middle class white male, I don't get to define what is sexist or not, any more than I'm allowed to complain when black people point out that racism is also systematic and pervasive in our culture. But I do listen to their experiences, and their definitions. It's also important to remember that we don't have to intend something as sexist or racist for it to be so. To see blatant sexism in action in the gaming culture, for example, you have but to read the experience of this woman: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...s/posts/242547. The denial of sexism becomes the means by which sexism is expressed.

    Having said all that, to be clear I was not saying you are a sexist neanderthal. The central thrust of my post was agreeing with previously made comments about the pose and costume.

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    Just to clarify, this was done to a brief: "we want the girl mechanic to look attractive and cute, we want to see that she is the female aspect to the masculine energy of her car". A woman in mechanic's overalls has already been designed by the practicalities of reality, at the risk of stating the obvious - this is concept art. It's made up.

    She hasn't got massive breasts or a dumb pout, and isn't exposing all of her skin. I'm neither lazy nor sexist. I really don't imagine anyone feeling oppressed or objectified by my silly picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justa View Post
    My goodness we are a tad defensive... and not averse to a strawman yourself with your reference to a burka.
    That wasn't a straw man, it is was a question. Learn what you're talking about.


    But it is not how men are commonly portrayed.
    It depends on what medium. In porn both are portrayed sexy obviously, in real life advertisements neither are. This excuse would only make sense if he/she was making the concept a real life mechanic, as he/she mentioned it is a CONCEPT. A concept that only someone without reason could get offended over and call sexist. Portraying women or men as sexual in art is not and never will be sexist, the sexism occurs in context. Say for instance we had to draw political figures and I drew all the men in suits and Hilary Clinton in a bikini, you could make a sensible case for sexism there as she is portrayed as the only sexual one. But it wouldn't be sexist if Obama was also in speedo's looking fine. It also would not be sexist if it was making a point out of it or satire.

    But I do listen to their experiences, and their definitions.
    Good for you, seriously is this message anything but a PSA for how great and none sexist you are?



    It's also important to remember that we don't have to intend something as sexist or racist for it to be so.
    Yawn. Never said you did.


    To see blatant sexism in action in the gaming culture, for example, you have but to read the experience of this woman: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...s/posts/242547. .
    What you are writing would be relevant if I claimed sexism didn't exist, however I never made that claim so I have no idea why you are wasting my time with things I am already aware of.

    The denial of sexism becomes the means by which sexism is expressed
    No, it can be in the case of internet gaming trolls, but it can also be a legitimate denial when what you're saying has no legitimacy or merit. Talking in generals won't help you. Defending your statement with a valid thought process will. Yet throughout this whole complacent message you haven't justified your claim with any semblance of logic. Again how is this specific piece of art sexist?
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