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    Subscribers get access to uploading their own images? (Though I'd hope they wouldn't delete existing images.
    I can imagine one of the larger costs is the ridiculous amount of images uploaded to CA itself for several years now. Many people are dicks and post shit like funny pictures or pointless crap in places like the cheer me up thread directly to the CA servers instead of going to imageshack, or photobucket, etc.


    and I like the idea of relevant sponsors. Wouldn't mind advertisements from actual art product companies.

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    Solid points on the vid store. I goggled Cryptcrawler and found out a bit about what happened. Still would be nice to have a CA store (for extra income).

    About the Donate button: it doesn't really have to say "donate". It could be "Buy us more bandwidth" or "feed the CA monster".

    @Appylon, Crowdfunding for specific features is a great idea. Pixelovely is currently doing it for the hands and feet tools. I can see it working if there's enough info and the process is transparent (deadlines and everything).

    Besides looking for ways to finance the site. There are still a few things that could be done to reduce cost (https://developers.google.com/speed/...OptimizeImages). Amazon S3 could be cheaper to serve large images also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    I gotta respond to you the same way I did to Izi when she suggested it.

    GROAN BUTTON! GROAN BUTTON! You are missing the point of this site. That idea is for suckers.
    No, she suggests crits like the critque forum. Portfolios could be done once a month or every two months. That link is still live and is great to watch. Can't lay it all on Jason, so we'd need other artists to do it as well

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    jfeirce-The uploader makes it convenient for paintovers in the crit center. My old computer was littered with WIPs paintovers and redlines. I'm guessing that's where all the images come from. That and studies. There would be 60% less bridgeman studies floating around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordLouis View Post
    Your claim is based on....?

    When I was member of this huge forum with subscriptions, I felt compelled to subscribe to support the board, and not to be part of a club. Note that even deviantart, which has massive advantages of subscribers, doesn't really have that "split". Sure there are always people moaning and groaning about anything- hardly a reason to doubt the system.

    People could put a "I donated!" into their signature, thereby pushing other donators to do the same because they feel that they should be recognized too;
    they could start all complaints with "I just want to say that I have donated lots of money and am willing to support you, BUT..."
    Okay, you made me thinkin about it again and I'll have to agree to your points.
    Drawing the conclusion that they would get split apart was a bit too fast.
    Sorry for that.

    But I still don't think that the benefits for sub shall be too big.
    As someone already said: There are also a lot of really young artists on this site and not everyone would be able to pay for it. Even if it would be a small amount, then we still would have the problem that we would need a lot of different payment options.
    Young people don't own a credit card, so yeah.

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    How about competitions where you got to pay to enter
    And the prizes are cash, for the incentive

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    This joint is a goldmine of art. The content is the value not the service. Ultimately I think pre order based printed goods could pay for the site. Limited edition posters, art books, magazines and or ashcans could pull the weight. Jason just needs to straighten out his shit and learn to send checks on time. Or better yet find somebody that can.

    BLACKSPOT- I still don't like your idea. Still a repackage of Izi's idea whether you realize it or not. We all do portfolio crits around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    This joint is a goldmine of art. The content is the value not the service. Ultimately I think pre order based printed goods could pay for the site. Limited edition posters, art books, magazines and or ashcans could pull the weight. Jason just needs to straighten out his shit and learn to send checks on time. Or better yet find somebody that can.

    BLACKSPOT- I still don't like your idea. Still a repackage of Izi's idea whether you realize it or not. We all do portfolio crits around here.

    I like that idea. Using art to sustain an art-based website is logical and might help to raise CA's reputation again.

    And yeah the pay-for-portfolio-crit seems a bit redundant given that people can have individual pieces (and portfolios) reviewed in the critique center by many experienced artists. That being said maybe people would like a review with and industry professional, hmm, prob need a bit more research into that to be honest. I'm not sure how many would go for it.

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    I would pay for an in depth portfolio review from a major professional. I've already done this with Jason Manley and Wes Burt and it was well worth it.

    Offering a print service is a neat idea too. I believe devianatArt already has this though, and most people here also post their work there so it might be too redundant.

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    I'm talking limited edition premium work. Maybe cheap little ashcans from popular sketchbooks too. All printed on a pre order basis with some sort of discount for retailers.

    I don't know what the quality is from DA's print on demand, I'm sure it's low quality. I do print on demand and it sucks. It's hard to pitch cool when you are buried under the garbage.

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    Save all the good threads to your own hard drive and go anywhere else

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    Yes yes, Main Loop we get it. CA.org + Manley = bad.

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    I use to visit a forum that had a contribution system (you buy a month, 6 month or a year) you got a little button under your name.
    It gave you access to a contributors lounge, a private area of the forum - though it was basically "the lounge".
    Dump the lounge as is and make it a contributors lounge.
    The art part of the forum stays exactly the same - if you want to 'socialise' then support the site.
    I see more people in the lounge than elsewhere on this site, so it would be a good source of income.

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    Just so I understand. Are we trying to keep this site going or clearing out the members. This paid membership idea would be a real stink bomb. It really destroys the all inclusive nature this joint has grown from. And those that pay would either have a unfulfilled since of entitlement or they'd have to put up with members that do. You'd be paying for a service that provides NOTHING.

    Just start charging your friends to hang out with you and you'll understand the logic.

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    True, I'd wait to see how things end up with this debacle for any sort of paid membership regardless.
    Personally only main thing I like is the sponsorship. Seems pretty sensible. Rather than having more muck with TAD paying for the servers sometimes and Jason the other mixing business.

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    Well ever since DA started doing what they are doing with their paid services, I have grown to like the site much more than I ever did. Being able to sell your work, adjust your own prices, even what the stuff is printed on is really cool! So I really like the idea of being able to have art work help pay for the site. It's an automated system, no special contracts really. Site gets (just throwing out numbers here), 20% of your sales, you get the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    Yes yes, Main Loop we get it. CA.org + Manley = bad.
    ca.org - Manley = a little better, but a fresh start is best

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    New profiles are going in as part of the temp transition. The new badges/awards are done and going in too.

    We have a contest coming up which will do a lot of good for certain endangered species causes (which is something close to a lot of peoples hearts here in this creature loving community).

    More to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemome View Post
    As someone already said: There are also a lot of really young artists on this site and not everyone would be able to pay for it. Even if it would be a small amount, then we still would have the problem that we would need a lot of different payment options.
    Young people don't own a credit card, so yeah.
    Yeah I agree- I didn't think about all the youngsters tbh! A lot of them linger in the sketchbook forums and CC on occasion. Yeah I agree that it would be paramount to ensure that none of the core features of the board wander off to some subscription benefit. Maybe it would be possible to present the community with a choice of benefits and let them vote on it.

    I am not so sure about the lounge thing. I mean I get the idea with a contributors forum (used it myself) but the point of this forum is partly to socialize, which shouldn't be limited to a few. THEN I'd say donations instead. I think the lounge is so full because its purpose is probably the loosest defined compared to all other forums, and people are drawn to chit-chat areas like moths to the flame. My most hatred forum threads are "what is your favourite x", " what are you currently doing/listening to/etc pp".

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    We tried installing the new profiles and such and our current server system could not handle the load. We are currently migrating to a new server system I just paid for the other day and may need an additional server to run the upgraded profiles. Til then we will work on getting some important but smaller things done and then is time to get moving on the production of the full new site.

    There are a lot of great ideas in here. Some of them are closer to what we are doing than anyone would know. I have missed working on this site and making things better and it feels good to see the improvements getting done.

    I am also putting up a different skin. I do not like this one much. Will see how the new skin looks and if it's ready I will go ahead and turn her on.


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    Well, im looking forward see the new changes, and the job site up again. Im glad the drama is slowly falling behind already so everybody can move on to better things.

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    true dat. I was having trouble drawing over all this. My conscience was fucking with me.

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    What's going on here? I was very active in 2007, then life got in the way, and now the forum is half dead with always changing layout design. Trying to get back to participating in community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pav View Post
    What's going on here? I was very active in 2007, then life got in the way, and now the forum is half dead with always changing layout design. Trying to get back to participating in community.
    To sum it up as neatly as possible.
    Lots of drama about the tutorial downloads, piracy, disappointing sales and unpaid royalties. I think it's mostly just the books being a mess. They were tied in a knot between CA, TAD and MB. Jason shot himself in the foot with a bazooka and put it in his mouth a few times over, all while somehow managing to dig an incredibly deep hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    To sum it up as neatly as possible.
    Lots of drama about the tutorial downloads, piracy, disappointing sales and unpaid royalties. I think it's mostly just the books being a mess. They were tied in a knot between CA, TAD and MB. Jason shot himself in the foot with a bazooka and put it in his mouth a few times over, all while somehow managing to dig an incredibly deep hole.
    To add on to this, forums in general are dying. From what I have seen, pros have migrated to facebook or cghub galleries, and mostly just care about showing off their work. The number of pros left on the board now can practically be counted on one hand...

    Even dead CA right now is more active than other art forums.

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    Eh, Facebook is cool for hanging out with friends but for showcasing art it's diabolical. I'd rather check out a blog or a finally finished thread or sketchbook on here than look at art on fb. It's just not geared towards that.

    As for forums dying in general? Maybe but I'm still a lot more comfortable interacting with groups of people on forums than on social networking sites. Discussion threads there disappear in minutes and the comments are glorified chat functions. Cant take your time to compose your thoughts or words the way you can on a forum. This forum, dead though some people may think it is, has a good group of big brains who know how to talk their shit. So when I need my brain kicked into gear, inspiration, or just a good indepth discussion about art, I come here.

    And so what if pro's are more interested in showcasing their work than discussing it. Isn't that the point, lol. They work hard and want to share what they've created. They're not around to teach everything they know to over eager learners. If they choose to produce a tutorial or set up workshops etc, brilliant. Pay them, learn from them and thank them. All this talk of pro's not being around makes me a bit nauseous. It's like school children complaining that their hero wont teach them anymore. None of these professionals are beholden to any of us.

    Shrug. Just my two bob's worth.

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    I still like this forum! Even if all I do is lurk...But I lurk here everyday!

    I always thought this place needed more fun thread games and memes, though, the way DeviantArt, Pixiv, (now defunct) Cloud9, and (almost dead) Apedog members do with each other. Remember how lively this place became with the Nibru thread and the Kill the Character Above You thread? But now suggestions like these are probably, at best, too little too late.

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    Actually, I think the forum is a great repository of knowledge. It’s hard for places like Facebook to store information – I’ve read a number of posts regretting this on a few groups I belong to. Some stuff can be put into notes, but most information will be lost and you can’t search for it like here.

    Also, ca.o is here for people to learn more than showcase. Sure, it would be nice to have more pros helping out, but we do have a fair few still giving blinding crits and replies. Maybe some of you will reach giddy heights in your careers and then come back to where you got the most help. On Facebook, I don’t know about you, but there are miles too many , and if you critique on your own time line, you can have your head bitten off. Nor is it always possible to see easily how people are improving on FB.

    As to returning some of the fun stuff, there are things in the pipeline, which you won’t find on other forums. We’re still working out the details and the tech, as we don’t want the site to break – it’s still fragile, but improving. In the meantime you could always post your ugly mugs in the draw from what everyone looks like thread and I’ll mangle your faces with pleasure.

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    Black Spot, you've nailed it. Facebook and the like are fleeting buzz, there is no staying power in them, alas. Forums leave a record.

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