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    Quote Originally Posted by fireblade View Post
    well, it's time to create some new pros anyway, let's get drawing
    This. We shouldn't want to be the place pro's come to but one pro's come from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by D.Labruyere View Post
    This. We shouldn't want to be the place pro's come to but one pro's come from.
    Without pros around to share their own hard-earned knowledge and experience, you're not going to get much aside from a) constant asspatting, and b) lots of n00bs who don't know what they're doing, don't have any idea that they don't know what they're doing, and try to be 'helpful' by sharing something they heard someone say, but haven't understood yet. Having pros around is CRITICAL to getting a corrective when someone on the boards says something that's actually misleading. Having pros around is important because when they talk to each other, you pick up knowledge that you're not going to get otherwise, because you don't even know it's out there to look for. The value of the boards is only as good as the quality of the knowledge being shared.

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    Siddhartha I am not sure if you remember when CA started but it was just me and Andrew at first...then a few others...but of all the main page members who were around at the start, and actually participating, we were all just 2-3 years out of art school. Andrew was two years out at that time. There are many people here at that level now and most the younger cats can paint better than we could back then. I guess what I'm saying is that there are a lot of great people that still post around here and it's a shame to write that off I think. A lot of the cup and comers here will go farther than anyone even imagines. Those are the folks who inspire me the most. There is professional presence...and there will be more in the future. People come and go in every community...and competition is fierce for time. We certainly have a lot of work to do here to improve the place. That much I am aware...so thanks for all the input.

    With that said, I have been working on the thanks button stuff all night and the issue I am running into has to do with how we restricted things after the hack, so it is time to ask the programmer for help. Will keep folks updated.

    This thread is inspiring and there is a lot of great info here. I will review it in full.

    Thank you. tons.

    Jason

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    Donate button is up, as well as the donation progress bar. Some of the new mods and changes I am able to do myself, although I need to edit the template for the green donate button yet. Those changes which require extensive database changes require programmer resources, which means funds. We put up some new live and on demand classes including composition, color theory, and now female character design to help fund that stuff, as well as the donate button. will keep at it.

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    Jason, just to be clear, I wasn't writing off the site or its members. Just the idea that we don't need more experienced people here. Communities of passionate artists, even just students, are a great atmosphere for growing, but I was responding to D and pointing out that you improve the quality of that community immeasurably when someone who knows what he/she is doing shows up. I can't count the number of times I've seen threads that were stuffed full of misinformation until someone like dpaint or JeffX99 came in and set the record straight.

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    I haven't been active here in a long time. In fact I just visited the site out of curiosity.

    I remember when I first joined the boards were very simple. Simply organized, simply designed, without the banners everywhere and it seems without the cliques and sub-societies. It was more open and organic is what I'm saying.

    I believe the site is still education focused, but it's more about rich media and less about one-on-one dialogues and groups.

    That being said, being as I haven't visited the site in a long time, and haven't been active for even longer, this may have changed. I have the feeling that it hasn't though.

    I think it would be interesting if the site were broken down into a series of smaller sites more catered to certain demographics, rather than one mega-site trying to appeal to all demographics.

    www.conceptart.3d.org for example

    www.conceptart.sketchart.org

    www.conceptart.traditionalmedia.org

    Something like that, then people could go in and be sure that when they post something they will get greater exposure to the group they are targeting for this particular WIP, study, or what-have-you.
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    Just donated, hope it helps.

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    Maybe I missed this before, but do we need 4000USD per month to run a forum? Or it is yearly expense or something else? Looks like outrageously high amount of money for domain and file server. Not complaining, just curious.

    I will donate as soon as I put up PayPal account

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    The site is over 10 years old. It has literally thousands upon thousands of pages and data. Im preety sure its not cheap. I m also preety sure its not just for a doman name and server server, but to help keep this community running and also help to add features and updates.
    Help support CA's future and your own art future, and help Fund

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    Does the CA donation thing support Dreamfuel as well or does it only go to CA?

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    Sepulverture: I'm not sure I agree about breaking the site into smaller units. One of the great things about the forum is all the cross-pollination that went on. The sight size junkies could learn a lot from artists who can whip up entire compositions from imagination. The kids who only look at grizzled space marines could stand a lesson from Bill Whitaker about how much beauty you can find in a loaf of bread.

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    I found this place when I was 15, I'm now 24. Still great stuff on here but the activity has fallen significantly.

    If I were to try and get more traffic into this place now I would get rid of the forum clutter, reorganize the forums based on importance to building the community and bring in some contrast and saturation to this drab looking place.

    The below image is what I wish this place looked like (don't hurt me). I think it would help first time traffic.

    So what is the fate of ConceptArt.org (and art forums in general)?

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    Wardrum that looks really nice. Not to sure about the bar right the top, other than that it looks preety awesome. More exposure of the challenges etc and news about the site at the top like you have layed out would really look nice.

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    Shut up and give wardrum all my money.
    This is by far the best CA.O design mock-up I've seen in the last few years. Great job man!

    The main problem here is that such a design is veeeeery hard to do. Being limited to vBulletin gives tons of restrictions and making a whole new design with such "features" would need a very good designer who knows vB like his hometown.
    IF there is someone out there you can make such a beautiful design, then he's probably either busy or costs thousands of dollars.
    Just to be realistic.

    But still, getting a design like this should be priority number 1. Just looking at it makes me want to be active again because it's less cluttering.
    I tried to get a handful of friends over to CA.O but most of them stopped trying to figure stuff out after a few days.
    It's a way too big mess for a completely new user right now.

    Sup, dropped my 2 cents, now it's Jason turn.

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    @markmaker - I just threw the bar at the top together in ms paint(along with everything else). I would picture it looking more like the toolbar at the top of blogger.

    Anyways, the issue here plain and simple is that the forum home page is visually unattractive and not instantly navigable to someone who has never been here. And for someone who has been here a while we realize the design is just a shell of what it used to be. In this digital age we all have ADD and if something looks scattered and unorganized we wont stick around to figure it out. Not everyone is like this, but you have to treat the situation like everyone is like this. We want meat, and we want it hot and right in front of us, not scattered pieces of beef jerky with lint on them. CA.org used to be pure 100% grass fed beef..

    I'm not being a hater, but this upgrade thing just seems like a disaster. Sites do this shit all the time, trying to add new features and streamline old ones.

    Get back to the basics, back to the foundations. Figure out what it was that made it work. Yes, people are a huge portion of that but so is the place you give them to socialize. Really though, it doesn't seem like whoever owns this site is interested in the community, nearly as much as they are as making money from it.
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