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    Sometimes the only thing left to an artist who's being abused by a client is to go public. That usually happens after years of correspondence that goes nowhere. It should not be taken lightly. And involving lawyers is not the solution, since invariably they're the ones who come out on top. Contracts are a minor tool that we all should have, but really it only acts as a guide and not a firm enforcement of it's details. So the only powerful tool we have in our meager arsenal is the network we are all a part of. And it usually will get some movement going in the problem once enacted. Don't think that Brad hasn't thought this through and weighed all the options before doing it. At some point we will all be faced with that decision. I know I have a few times now and I didn't have the nerve to do it so I had to eat the loss. But if an artist can step up and take affirmative action like this, we should be applauding it, not deriding it.

    As for folks leaving CA or deciding not to go to any workshops coming up because of this; anyone who would do that should probably just leave. This isn't a playground. CA is an important place for those that want to learn and grow. And the forum isn't just by or about specific people. It's a great community of people that keep it going.
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    I always kept my first CA sb in my signature. It was my first big breakthrough after copying bridgeman cover to cover. it burned down in a fire though. I still refer to it when I feel like I'm not improving. I remember back then I didn't see any problems. Now I look back and see exactly where I've improved. I also look at it when I feel as if I'm not as creative as I used to be.
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    Cryptcrawler deserves to be treated well with such professionalism and class, but alas this kind of news just makes me feel very awkward to be a part of CA as a forum member. I feel bad for Mr. Rigney and seeing his work on the videos and other places makes me appreciate what he's done over the years. But not only that, it is a sad reality for many of us artists and designers in the industry in any genre to deal with such unprofessional business practices. It's not just CA alone but anywhere else in the world and it's a lesson we all must learn from to never let this happen (or we can try the best we can to contain the problem). I certainly hope that CA/TAD would resolve this matter immediately with Cryptcrawler or else, the name of CA is forever tarnished.

    Again, I feel bad and would love to see Cryptcrawler continue to get more work out there. I would love to see his video tutorials but may not be able to hear what he's saying, otherwise may be able to follow what he's doing on there. I think he does have a book out there as well on digital painting?

    Ultimately, Brad Rigney/Cryptcrawler, and everyone of us as well, deserves to be treated with the utmost professionalism and respect.

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    What an unfortunate thread. Brad has been wronged ,I have no knowledge and can't speak to what has been communicated or paid out between them but allowances need to be made.

    However I want to bring your attention to another concern . I feel I must come clean too. I also haven't been paid any royalties for years on any of my downloads. Anyone want to know why? Is it the unscrupulous practices of the Evil Manley? Some dark Ca.org conspiracy to exploit artists?....... No.
    I thank and acknowledge everyone who has supported artists by purchasing the videos, New download sales are strong for the first few months. But soon after the videos reach a saturation point online, the sales graph nose dives to nearly zero. And that's because the amazingly supportive band of fellow concept art brothers and sisters torrent the videos. So who's upset at the tens of thousands of art students and professionals that have also directly stolen bread out of the mouths of Brads kid's by illegally downloading? Let he that has never torrented a video throw the first stone.

    Knowing Jason for 15 years, I have endured more of his mistakes than anyone on these boards, and I won't defend his business or professional practices when it comes to interpersonal artist relations. . I'm sure that Brad has a legitimate concern that is worthy of addressing, and I applaud his courage for bringing this to our attention, but May I bring an even uglier truth to the surface.... as a "community" we may help each other out every now and then; however, we all steal from each other too. And many artists will do whatever it takes to get a little closer to the top. every institution has corruption, Welcome to the industry. The noble pursuit of drawing monsters, demons and villains for money.

    But don't pay attention to what I have said. Let's tie a main loop around Jason's neck and stab him with a crimson dagger and watch him crawl into his own crypt. Burn down the CA servers, perhaps future artists can benefit from the downfall and make something more out of the ashes.


    ....as a gesture from TAD and CA.
    I Vote that they release all existing downloads on the site for FREE


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    Quote Originally Posted by Android View Post
    What an unfortunate thread. Brad has been wronged ,I have no knowledge and can't speak to what has been communicated or paid out between them but allowances need to be made.

    However I want to bring your attention to another concern . I feel I must come clean too. I also haven't been paid any royalties for years on any of my downloads. Anyone want to know why? Is it the unscrupulous practices of the Evil Manley? Some dark Ca.org conspiracy to exploit artists?....... No.
    I thank and acknowledge everyone who has supported artists by purchasing the videos, New download sales are strong for the first few months. But soon after the videos reach a saturation point online, the sales graph nose dives to nearly zero. And that's because the amazingly supportive band of fellow concept art brothers and sisters torrent the videos. So who's upset at the tens of thousands of art students and professionals that have also directly stolen bread out of the mouths of Brads kid's by illegally downloading? Let he that has never torrented a video throw the first stone.

    Knowing Jason for 15 years, I have endured more of his mistakes than anyone on these boards, and I won't defend his business or professional practices when it comes to interpersonal artist relations. . I'm sure that Brad has a legitimate concern that is worthy of addressing, and I applaud his courage for bringing this to our attention, but May I bring an even uglier truth to the surface.... as a "community" we may help each other out every now and then; however, we all steal from each other too. And many artists will do whatever it takes to get a little closer to the top. every institution has corruption, Welcome to the industry. The noble pursuit of drawing monsters, demons and villains for money.

    But don't pay attention to what I have said. Let's tie a main loop around Jason's neck and stab him with a crimson dagger and watch him crawl into his own crypt. Burn down the CA servers, perhaps future artists can benefit from the downfall and make something more out of the ashes.


    ....as a gesture from TAD and CA.
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    the plot thickens, another artists says he was screwed out of his royalties

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    That sounds way too familiar.
    I too did a tutorial video with ConceptArt / The Art Department, a few years ago. Thank you to all the people who bought it, but I'm sorry to say, if I had the choice I wouldn't do it anymore. The only royalties I got, I had to ask and ask and fight to get them. Now I had no answers or money at all since over a year and a half. It doesn't feel good when you have to beg for what you deserve, you know. And the whole thing is so transparent that you can't even be sure of what they own you anyway. Recently the video is no longer sold on the Art Department website, with no notification of any kind to let me know. So at least I assume they're no longer making money from it. But who knows how much they stole from the artists.

    It's not my habit to reveal issues like that publicly, but after all, everyone deserves to know the truth. And I know Brad and I are NOT the only ones at all.

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    "Let he that has never torrented a video throw the first stone."
    Honestly I haven't and never even considered it. I spent a hundred dollars during a blow out sale where the videos were only 20 each (which is still expensive) and it was mostly stuff that I wasn't ready for. And there's no way I can stream those videos when I caught up. So I can see why some would boot it.

    Your probably right and this is probably over chump change. It doesn't sound like malice or greed behind Manly's intent just a general dismissiveness. Somebody just doesn't want to go through the trouble of writing a check for fifty bucks.

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    People are trying to defend Manley? Woooow

    Yeah guys! It's piracy's fault man, or like, maybe it just wasn't that much money that he owes all those artists with successful video tutorials.. yeah.. Maybe

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    Same here. I've got 22 gigs worth of CA/MB downloads and they're all paid for. Time to get my throwing arm in shape again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sone_one View Post
    and while i planned to... im certainly not going to attend the workshop. this whole issue only has 25-33% influence on that, but i rather see other instructors withdrawing aswell.
    Why? What good would that do?
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    I never understood the reason that people have to put up videos on torrents. Do they make any money off of it? I just don't get why so many people put them up. I obviously get why people would want to download them, but what's the motive of the original seeder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    Why? What good would that do?
    well lets wait a few days, but im quite sure ron and vanessa lemen aint going to be the only ones cancelling.
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    Im sure youre right, and I think its real shame that two guys not being able to keep their private business dealings private ruins London for everyone.

    Youd rather see other instructors withdrawing. Is that your idea of ethical behaviour? Sounds like the worst kind of peer pressure to me. I say fuck it, I WANT to meet all the people up till now Ive only chatted to electronically, in my class or my sketchbook or their sketchbooks or on Facebook. Im going and you cant bully me out of it by saying London is poison.

    And let us not forget, Brad Rigny was not a starving artist like many of the people who sympathize with him are, he made tens of thousands of dollars from his videos. Jasons not a devil and Brad isnt a saint, theyre both just people. Im sick of this ridiculous bullshit Ive got work to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    Im sure youre right, and I think its real shame that two guys not being able to keep their private business dealings private ruins London for everyone.
    If they had kept it private, you may have been supporting a thief without realizing it. ("may have" is the key phrase there)

    And actually Brad kept it private for 2 years. That seems like a generous amount of time before drawing the line.

    I can't believe I'm seeing posts saying it's ok to not pay artists for work they've done. It's bad enough for our industry that you have to fight to get your paycheck, but now even the artists think that's ok? It doesn't matter what the amount is. Very very sad.
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    WHO EVER IN HISTORY has said its ok not to pay artists for work we've done??

    Brad Rigny got tens of thousands of dollars on royalties from his video. Which part of that dont you understand?

    I mean I realise that somewhat complicates your absurdly simple world view; evil thief steals from poor artist, but being an adult is about understanding the world is more complex than that.
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