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    Hi everyone. I'm 28 and I wanted to draw for a long time. But always thought it would be impossible. Well, I finally decided to do it about 2 months ago. Let's see how it turns out.

    Currently I'm doing some simple line and ellipse practices, gestures, anatomy and few other things.

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    Hey. I started at 28 too (never really drew before then, that was nearly three years ago now). Must be an early mid-life crisis thing. Anyway, keep going, it's frustrating as hell getting your ass handed to you by 12 year olds for many years to come, but stick with it. Worst case scenario, we'll be rockin' artists when we hit retirement age

    Only suggestion I've got is learn perspective ASAP. Most people put it off way too long (me included). Perspective for artists and architects by Gwen White is the best book I've found on the subject.

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    I'm adding some more practices, digital today. I try to mix traditional and digital every other day. Same with freehand and using lines.

    @Kvetch
    I have seen your sketchbook. Great stuff. I also started working on perspective. Was reading "perspective made easy" recently. After that i will check book you recommended.

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    Yey, seems my sketchbook has been approved, so I'm adding few more. I practiced blending a little, and made a color wheel. Also some quick head study. Tell me if the size of images is too big, so i will make them smaller next time.

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    Adding more studies. Tried drawing some ears and noses. Kinda struggling with perspective and VP's being outside paper. Need to practice more with spheres and read about constructing perfect cubes without eyeballing. It's kinda overwhelming how many things there are to learn.



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    Did 2 more portraits today, some separate small shading study and another apple. I hope I'm going in right direction. Need more life studies and pretty much more of everything.


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    Today I decided to practice some hands. Seems really hard to draw. Will need to do much more of those. Also did something for fun, can't have only studies.

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    Haven't posted in a while. I wonder if anyone even visits this. Anyway i did various things in that time. Gonna post some of them. Played more with manga style and some colors. Also always reading and watching everything that can help me get better. I wonder if i ever get faster at drawing those things.


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    Hey,

    Hands are completely impossible to draw. The still lifes are good. I'd spend some time reading up on ellipses work in perspective. There are a few simple rules that make drawing anything cylindrical a hell of a lot easier.

    Keep the updates coming

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    Did some more hands, learned a bit about anime hair and tried to do some OC. Damn, it took so long. Also working on another apple, but texture is giving me trouble. Will post it tomorrow.

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    Did one portrait today (used a photo from lovecastle.org). It took long time with my skills. Plus some 45s gestures. Also started working on some other things and still fighting that stupid apple. Will post it tomorrow.

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    Hi mate, the thing with the apple is that (in the previous versions at least) you aren't using value to describe the form - there needs to be a definite light direction, and because the surface curves constantly, a continuous change in value (lightness/darkness). If you can paint the apple white or wrap it in tissue paper or something you'll clearly be able to see how the value changes depending on where the light comes from.
    The idea is that you need to think about which parts of the apple the light can hit, and which parts it cant, and always use an appropriate value.

    I like this explanation: http://stapletonkearns.blogspot.co.u...dbug-line.html

    Anyway, good updates. Keep them coming!

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    Hey, thanks for feedback. I read that article. So I tried make shadow side a bit darker, but it almost can't be seen in real life. That side is illuminated by monitor. It reflects a lot too. Should I place it in some other place next time?

    I also have problem with making apple texture, it just seems impossible with so many details. Are there any techniques for this, or do i need to use some custom textures and brushes?

    And blending ends as a mess. And a desk, and highlights, shadow. Damn...

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    Wow, the improvement you've made just on this page is amazing! The last apple looks a lot better, much more round. As for the details, there's no 'trick' to doing them. You can simplify the details though, but it's just painting them. I like your little figure studies, you seem to be on the right track. They've got some movement in them. With the face portraits, to get them more proportionate, you can try doing what you have done with the figures and do guidelines in for the placement of the features and the main bones Also, it might help to look at the skull and the underlying structure of the face. Keep at it! There is a lot to learn, but it's all learnable.

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    I see a lot of improvement already, good stuff, about the apple, I don't think you should worry about custom brushes in this moment, they are just a tool and cannot replace your knowledge, textures, light/shadow and all of that good stuff comes with a lot of practice, observation, try and error, be patient and study a lot, will you get good! I'll check you later (Sorry my poor english)

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    Man, that looks so much better than the previous one.

    I think when it comes to separating shadow and light, it's kind of a mixture of what you know should be happening, and what you can see. It's very difficult sometimes to see the subtle value changes (especially when colour is involved), but if you know in your mind that there is a dominant light source (say a table lamp) and a secondary one that's not quite so bright (the monitor) you can then keep values organised, even when you can't actually see them 100%.

    It's a lot easier to paint a still life when there's a single light source. Finding something with a matte white finish to paint is a good idea too, you can wrap a box in paper or spray paint a ball or an action figure or something. It's infinitely easier to see value change on a white object, and you'll start to get a feel for how light and form relate to each other.

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    @M.Calza Thanks for stopping by. I try to use only few basic brushes and try to avoid filters. Although sometimes do some color correction. If this is possible in traditional painting, it should be here, so I try to practice with simple tools only for now.

    @Kvetch I will remember those advices. Actually that's why I made some place for still life compositions where I can see shadows and place good light. Good idea about that white paint too. Will try to figure something out.


    I made my first attempt at landscapes today. Didn't turn out quite right even if it took some time. Posting also original image (from Reddit by QualityEnforcer). Eh, I know how bad it turned out. I will look at those shapes better next time.

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    Nice nice work dude!! Really happy I stopped by. Your studies and effort encourage me keep learning! So your 28 huh? I just turned 28 and also just started too! So good to find someone in the same boat! Keep drawing/painting and improving, really well done. (Sorry can't give advice, I'm just starting out)!

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    Please help me improve! Thank you for your time

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    Good start man, but i think you shouldn't mess with that japaneese animation stuff, it cost no efforts at all.

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    @Rovanna Thanks for encouragement. I learned a bit about skull in first two months, but it's still complicated. There are just so many things so learn but I will keep learning.

    @Mosen Thanks. I don't have enough knowledge to give advices too so i know how it is, but I help when I can. Nice to see there are more people here at my age beginning.

    @Raiderukkus I understand where you come from, but you must know i try to also learn basics and then apply it to manga style. And I wish it was so easy to make that, at my level I'm slower than many of those kids on dA.

    I did another Landscape today. Can't believe it took almost 2 hours for that. Did some 10min portraits, one longer and some hands. One more thing I wondered if I can post original images here for reference or how this copyright stuff works.



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    I'm going to be honest, i think every artist has times where they feel they are too old and behind the skill curve compared to other artists. I feel that way constantly, all the time. It doesn't help that in our field we have to have a constant eye of self criticism. so,umm, i understand if it can be hard sometimes.
    I like that you are trying, and you are definitely getting better. Your sense of form has been a big leap.
    I like manga, myself, so im not going to tell you to stop, specially if you like doing it. But maybe take inspiration from more natural looking/mature manga. I think that when you are starting serious training your might get messed up if you train anatomy and then go to extremely stylistic stuff with a lack of familiarity.

    Ps, don't worry you'll get faster with practice-its all about familiarity with what you do, as well as liking it.

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    Great start, keep posting and work hard. Cheers

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    LoudLikeNature: You know, I wish i could only study for hours every day, but after some time I get tired. And then using my knowledge and (poor for now) imagination I draw something for fun. I treat this like a training in getting used in digital media. Also for learning basics about clothes. light, color and simplified expressions. I treat this as seriously as other studies. All that additional knowledge will get me better overall. At least that's what I think.

    But thanks for taking time to post and encouragement. I also seen some improvement in speed already. Those 10min heads today took me a hour to make last month.

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    Yeah, me too-tho, im mostly just afraid, thats why i dont do many studies.I really sympathise with you, really.
    And i think you're effort has been paying of tremendously really. That apple
    mmm, actually i meant a realistic style more akin to Blade of the immortal, or Dogs: Bullets & Carnage. And when you get used to drawing realistic bodies, then switch back to more cutesy style, like ...i think...its tohou (preferences haven't changed)? The body shapes and gestures should flow better that way.

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    Very cool studies buddy!! I liked the paitings exercises.

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    Your heads are better then the first post already, I think you would benefit from Betty Edwards - Drawing with the right side of the brain, for the observation drawings.Don't stop posting.

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    I started doing daily sketches since beginning of this year and it's amazing how much progress I made in under 2 months. Learning to draw is just hard work but far from impossible. Stick with it and you'll get there and whenever you get frustrated just work harder, whatever you do don't give up.

    cheers

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    Studies, studies, really good studies!
    Your hand studies stood out to me the most ~you really seem to have a grasp on how they work!!
    I see improvements already, keep pushing

    I'll be here with the Daggers for the rest of my art journey.
    Keep pushing people, let us be great together-!
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    Thx for the sketchbook visit man, I really like the apple still life. For the portraits try and think of the shapes in more of an angular way to simplify complex changes in the form and try to measure distances as best you can by comparing shapes to each other. Keep up the good work and keep posting

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    Azsha: Thanks for visiting. I will be sure to check your sketchbook too.

    Zakknroll: Well, those paintings are really at beginner level, but thanks for comment.

    M.Calza: I actually started with that book. It felt i learned few tricks but didn't know where to go after it. Though I got to know few things so it wasn't a waste.

    Setherial: Seen your sketchbook. Those portraits and caricatures are great. But do you only draw those? It kinda feels like you could use more variety?

    smrrfette: Heh, I try to work on those hands. Those are hard, but I'm a bit better with them already. Probably make another a page more tomorrow.

    will123will: Yes, i try to measure it visually (or with pencil in the air). I'm often off sadly. Still it's more easier to do it now than when i started.


    Thanks a lot for all the advices guys. I only did those 3 things today and (one quick head portrait I will scan tomorrow). Had a plan to do much more but those things took so much time.


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