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    Emperor Septimius Severus and Empress Iulia Domna with their sons Caracalla and Geta

    ... taking a walk in a sunny street, in A.D. 210.

    I look forward to paint the effect of sunlight and generally to brood over and study the work of Alma-Tadema, but I'm not sure:

    - what to do with the old man's hand (I believe that hands shouldn't be hidden, they are wonderfully expressive)

    - whether the perspective looks right. I based it all on the Sketchup model of the arc (the arc of Septimius Severus, it stands in the Forum Romanum), and guesstimated the horizon line and position of the figures from there.

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    I look forward to your input on these points and anything else you may notice.
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    His wife seems to be listening at him, why don't pose the hand like he was discussing ? Palm a little on top, like when you are explaining something in a natural gesture of "opening" ?
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    Nice, loose linework. Do you leave any showing or paint it out?

    I did a double-take on the sons holding hands. Looked to see if one of them was a girl, so that's a little odd.
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    Looks good...I can't say there's anything "wrong" with it. I like your use of 3D to really sell the arch in the background--you might want to consider putting similar effort in on the building to the right.

    As Stoat notes, the smoldering glance and hand-holding definitely makes it seem like there's something sexual going on between the two boys in the background. (I guess that's why Caracalla later went on to build a giant bathhouse. )
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    I am not sure they had umbrellas in that time and place.
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    Thank you all! Yes, the hands, all of those hands - I will figure something out.

    arenhaus, they did not have umbrellas, but most likely had (non-collapsible) sunscreens that looked similar. That kind of sun-shield predates the Roman Empire.

    Stoat, the linework probably gets buried under a million layers of digital paint my usual method.
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    The color, lighting, and rendering are very nice. The proportions of the Emperor's face are pretty odd and cartoonish, though...his nose is huge and his eyes are really close together. His wife's expression is a sort of weird glassy-eyed stare, too...it feels like she's completely ignoring her husband and looking at something off in the distance, which I suspect might not be what you intended.

    I suppose my advice is: don't lose the psychology and emotion of the scene as you tighten down the forms.
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    I agree with the above comment somewhat. If you're doing an historical character, you may as well give him his actual features, as these are quite well known in the case of Septiumius:

    Emperor Septimius Severus and Empress Iulia Domna with their sons Caracalla and Geta

    Watch the architectural details, too. I've a feeling those should be ionic capitals on the arch, which should therefore look more like this...

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    Really nice handling of the light so far. If it were me, I would pull back and/or extend the bottom so that the figures aren't cropped right at the crotch with their heads horizontally centered.
    Be careful of the building on the right, it's not following the perspective of the arch, the roof is almost tangential to the parasol.

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    Giacomo - Thank you. I worked on the faces more, her look is more "targeted" now and he looks a bit more realistic.

    dashinvaine - Thanks! I'm not sure the real emperors looked as idealized as many of their portraits. (But if they did we can conclude that they were chosen for looks rather than qualification which would partly explain the decline of the Roman empire )
    The actual form of the capitals is hard to make out now (should have taken photos when I was in Rome), it looks neither quite ionic nor like anything else to me.
    Perhaps I was able to approach the form somewhat here.

    Elwell - thank you! I added a bit more at the bottom so the heads are just slightly off-center. I tried adding more bottom but it looked strange.
    Also, "fixed" the perspective of the building. It's not supposed to be truly parallel to the arch but naturally needs to have the same horizon line.

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    To be honest, her expression still looks pretty "out of it" to me...in fact, all the characters in this picture have a kind of zoned-out emotionlessness that comes across as somewhat comical, at least to my eye. (JPEG with captions below.) I suspect you're using Poser or some similar program to set up the figures--and although your painting skills produce an end result that's about a million times better technically than anything *I* could accomplish, there's still an awkward mannequin-esque quality to the figures and faces.

    As always, just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maidith View Post
    Also, "fixed" the perspective of the building. It's not supposed to be truly parallel to the arch but naturally needs to have the same horizon line.
    and the same vertical vanishing point . right now the arch is in 3point perspective and the building to the right is in 2 point. its corner edge is perfectly vertical.

    id also like to see more interlocking happening on the 2 figures in the front, as theres a quite clear cut now seperating them.

    and the boy to the left has a massive turtle neck.

    small things though, its coming along nicely!

    [edit] i also think the reflected light under the jaw of the woman should be warm... coming from the necklace instead of the dress.
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