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    Fire Mage WIP

    Already spent about 5 hours on this, still have to clean it up and add color. Just wanted some opinions on how its coming together so far....
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    the values are pretty good, but i feel like this has a total lack of hard edges.

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    Thanks! I'll have to add some more hard edges when I clean it up! Notice anything else?

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    Look at the hands, would you hold strings with such width like that? Either make the strings thicker or put some grip-thing (don't know the word right now) on it or consider drawing a different hands pose. If you want put something with around that width in your hand and 'feel' what the most comfortable position it would have in your hands.

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    Ok, I think I'll make some thicker handles on the whips, good eye!

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    The form has numerous inconsistencies. Have you made a structural breakdown of the figure? Have you picked a clear direction for the light? Where is the falling shadow?

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    arenhaus- The main light is going to come from the bottom, and since I havent pushed that yet I cant realy place my shadows. Im assuming you see issues with prospective and anatomy since you ask if I've broke down the structure of the figure, may I ask you to tell me what exactly you notice wrong so I can try to fix it? I have broken down the figure as best as my ability. Thanks!

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    Thumbnails, man! You could have sorted out the lighting, forms and composition etc before going into the rendering.

    What reference did you use for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gragg View Post
    ...may I ask you to tell me what exactly you notice wrong so I can try to fix it? I have broken down the figure as best as my ability. Thanks!

    As so often happens, the issue here isn't that anything's "wrong" and needs to be "fixed"--it's that you did the entire thing out of your head--and as a result, the pose, anatomy, hair and lighting are all about 20% off. There's no easy solution, except to say "use reference photos next time."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gragg View Post
    arenhaus- The main light is going to come from the bottom, and since I havent pushed that yet I cant realy place my shadows. Im assuming you see issues with prospective and anatomy since you ask if I've broke down the structure of the figure, may I ask you to tell me what exactly you notice wrong so I can try to fix it? I have broken down the figure as best as my ability. Thanks!
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    it's that you did the entire thing out of your head--and as a result, the pose, anatomy, hair and lighting are all about 20% off.
    You need to work more - a lot more - on the structure and lighting before you paint. You've already painted a lot of detail in - and now you are saying you haven't gotten around to place the shadows; but you should have worked out the lighting BEFORE you began painting.

    As it is, you have a mess of various made-up lighting in this picture, some parts lit diffusely, some from below, some from above, some from the front, and if you add a shadow it'll only confuse things more. That is on top of very wobbly, contrived structure. It's not really going to work unless you start over and pay more attention to structure, anatomy, perspective and lighting.

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    int he very short term, maybe do as people with dodgy figures do and cover them with clothes and shit. wont solve any deep problems (i dont know anatomy either and Giacomo is right everythings a bit off i think, specially in the neck and tits and head) but see wht you think..
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    Thanks for all of the replies! Yes I know I'm supposed to use reference for everything, but I dont, lol. I learn a lot more the hard way. Its way to easy to make an awesome painting using reference, when I'm done with this I'll be able to say its completely out of my head, and I think its damn good for someone on my skill level. Here where I'm at so far!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gragg View Post
    Its way to easy to make an awesome painting using reference, when I'm done with this I'll be able to say its completely out of my head, and I think its damn good for someone on my skill level.
    Um...I've just been checking out your DeviantArt page in reference to the above-quoted remark. Are those slavish pencil copies of the Megan Fox and Arnold Schwarzenegger photos supposed to be "awesome paintings?" Please advise so the rest of us can know how to proceed.

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    Giacomo- Ouch... Sorry for putting it like that. I know Im not capable of doing anything "awesome'' compared all of the amazing artists out there (including yourself, I have a lot of respect for you and I love your critiques), what I should have said is that when I use a reference I feel that when Im done I dont feel like it came from ME...because all Ive done is copy from something. I just like trying to paint from total imagination. I'm just a young dumb begginer artist. I don't want to sound desrespectful. I know reference is the best way to learn, and I do use it, but when I paint like this I just try to use what I've learned and see what I can do out of my head. It might sound stupid but its what I do for some reason. Thanks for always taking the time to critique my stuff!

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    Sorry, I didn't mean to be such a dick.

    But the point is to take what you need from the photo (or the model, or whatever) and make it do what YOU want. If you feel like you're just mechanically copying it, you're not understanding the process as deeply as you could. It's true that some great artists (all the Old Masters, Jack Kirby, Burne Hogarth, etc.) had an almost superhuman ability to visualize the human body--but you're not there yet. For most artists working in a realistic style, it's about careful observation and analysis of the forms.

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